2014-2015 Random NBA Thread
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SportsAndLady
Thavoice is a straight moron. Basically him and mike golic are the only two people in the world outside of Boston who thinks the play wasn't dirty by Olynyk. He's a piece of shit and should get 10 games minimum for a move that will side line an NBA superstar during the most important part of the NBA season.
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thavoice
Their NBA guy Bruce Bowen didnt think it was dirty.SportsAndLady;1724357 wrote:Thavoice is a straight moron. Basically him and mike golic are the only two people in the world outside of Boston who thinks the play wasn't dirty by Olynyk. He's a piece of shit and should get 10 games minimum for a move that will side line an NBA superstar during the most important part of the NBA season.
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Pick6
I can say JR Smith's punch was dirty as hell and intentional (maybe not in the face, but definitely intentional). My rooting interest didn't affect my opinion on that.thavoice;1724356 wrote:Not really. At times I really troll on the browns and such.
I heard about it and as I said before, I expected to see a dirty play when I was watching this morning and I personally didnt.
I understand everyone has their own view of what happens most times and some times their own personal rooting interest can sway their thoughts.
On my two hour drive this AM and over coffee I watched/listened for well over 2 hours. The poll was highly in favor of it being dirty, but most of the so called experts didnt think so.
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thavoice
Well some times there really is no defending something ya know.Pick6;1724359 wrote:I can say JR Smith's punch was dirty as hell and intentional (maybe not in the face, but definitely intentional). My rooting interest didn't affect my opinion on that.
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lhslep134
So which part of what Olynyk did was clean? Just because he may not have been trying to specifically dislocate the shoulder doesn't make the play any less dirty or Olynyk any less guilty for toeing the line between being overly physical and intentionally harming someonethavoice;1724356 wrote:
I heard about it and as I said before, I expected to see a dirty play when I was watching this morning and I personally didnt. -
Lovejoy1984
The same Bruce Bowen, who would routinely, stick his feet under a jump shooter hoping to twist an ankle? GTFOOHthavoice;1724358 wrote:Their NBA guy Bruce Bowen didnt think it was dirty. -
thavoice
I just a guy holding onto Love's arm and not letting him get away.lhslep134;1724362 wrote:So which part of what Olynyk did was clean? Just because he may not have been trying to specifically dislocate the shoulder doesn't make the play any less dirty or Olynyk any less guilty for toeing the line between being overly physical and intentionally harming someone
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lhslep134
Except that's not what happened. It was a guy holding onto his arm AND jerking the arm/body in direction opposite of where the body was reaching.thavoice;1724364 wrote:I just a guy holding onto Love's arm and not letting him get away.
If you're going to be dense enough to exclaim that all it was is "holding onto an arm", then no wonder you don't think anything wrong transpired. -
like_that
Anybody who is familiar with mma or wrestling knows it was an intentional move. He had his arm over loves (like a wizzer) and grabbed loves wrist with his other hand. With that hold he turned his hip down onto him brining pressure on the shoulder. That's a wrestling move not a basketball move. They weren't even near the ball. I am not going to say he tried to injure him, but it sure as hell was reckless and dirty. Quit being a dumbass thavoice. I listened to mike and Mike this morning and if you actually listened they both said it was a reckless play.
As auto said, quit jerking off to being a contrarian. We get it, you don't like Cleveland and your life happiness is dependent on whether Cleveland wins a title in your lifetime or not. -
thavoice
I dont really care if the cavs or injuns win it,just not the browns.like_that;1724370 wrote:Anybody who is familiar with mma or wrestling knows it was an intentional move. He had his arm over loves (like a wizzer) and grabbed loves wrist with his other hand. With that hold he turned his hip down onto him brining pressure on the shoulder. That's a wrestling move not a basketball move. They weren't even near the ball. I am not going to say he tried to injure him, but it sure as hell was reckless and dirty. Quit being a dumbass thavoice. I listens to mike and Mike this morning and if you actually listened they both said it was a reckless play.
As auto said, quit jerking off to being a contrarian. We get it, you don't like Cleveland and your life happiness is dependent on whether Cleveland wins a title in your lifetime or not.
Yeah, golic said reckless but didnt feel it was dirty or that he did it to try and hurt him. -
like_that
LOL, right...thavoice;1724371 wrote:I dont really care if the cavs or injuns win it,just not the browns.
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Let us know if you actually can even convince yourself with this post. -
jmog
Not a whizzer, a whizzer would have Olynyk's right arm on the back side of Love's arm, not the front side. It was more like a Russian 2 on 1 tie in wrestling than a whizzer.like_that;1724370 wrote:Anybody who is familiar with mma or wrestling knows it was an intentional move. He had his arm over loves (like a wizzer) and grabbed loves wrist with his other hand. With that hold he turned his hip down onto him brining pressure on the shoulder. That's a wrestling move not a basketball move. They weren't even near the ball. I am not going to say he tried to injure him, but it sure as hell was reckless and dirty. Quit being a dumbass thavoice. I listened to mike and Mike this morning and if you actually listened they both said it was a reckless play.
As auto said, quit jerking off to being a contrarian. We get it, you don't like Cleveland and your life happiness is dependent on whether Cleveland wins a title in your lifetime or not.
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lhslep134
Even someone with a vague or non-existent knowledge of MMA or wrestling moves like me could easily observe the intent behind the action. He may not have been trying to intentionally separate the shoulder but he was definitely trying to separate Love from the ball and did so by grabbing and jerking Love's arm. There are other ways Olynyk could have accomplished what he was trying to do without taking the course of action he did.like_that;1724370 wrote:Anybody who is familiar with mma or wrestling knows it was an intentional move. -
lhslep134
From the Grantland NBA Shootaround
With 5:22 remaining in the first quarter of Cleveland’s sweep of the never-say-die Celtics, Kevin Love became entangled with the pale, wavy-tressed Canadian personage of known non-thug Kelly Olynyk as the pair chased a rebound. Olynyk, out of position, attempted to execute the de rigueur big-man position jostle/dirt move wherein a player traps an opponent’s arm by pinning it between the arm and body. It was the kind of shady boxout jujitsu that’s deployed on the regular by practically every big guy in the NBA who’s any good. Names like Bogut, Z-Bo, and Griffin come to mind.
The difference being when those dudes trap a guy’s arm, it’s under relatively static circumstances — standing under the hoop, for example — and it lasts only a second. Love was running toward the ball, and after locking down on his arm, Olynyk held on and twisted in the opposite direction. Love’s shoulder popped out of its socket like the wing of a game fowl at dinnertime. Brian Windhorst reports the Cavs expect him to miss “a minimum of two weeks.”
Clearly, Olynyk meant to lock up Love’s arm, and certainly the move was of the dirty variety. Whether he actually meant Love any harm is a matter for telepaths.
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lhslep134
^^^ Which is what most non-Cavs fans are saying except for Boston fans and thavoice
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thavoice
I think the main difference between this incident and how this quote says happens on a regular basis is this....Most times they players dont go running after the ball. Mostly they get tangled up, and that is it.lhslep134;1724387 wrote:From the Grantland NBA Shootaround -
lhslep134
You mean the exact difference the quote specifically mentions? You really went out on a limb there!!thavoice;1724398 wrote:I think the main difference between this incident and how this quote says happens on a regular basis is this... -
thavoice
and have been saying all day prior to that link.lhslep134;1724417 wrote:You mean the exact difference the quote specifically mentions? You really went out on a limb there!! -
like_that
I had to watch it again. You're right, 2 on 1. The turning of the hip is what made me think of a whizzer.jmog;1724376 wrote:Not a whizzer, a whizzer would have Olynyk's right arm on the back side of Love's arm, not the front side. It was more like a Russian 2 on 1 tie in wrestling than a whizzer.
Still rather dirty, just not a whizzer. -
lhslep134
And yet the link says it was dirty and you refuse tothavoice;1724420 wrote:and have been saying all day prior to that link. -
thavoice
because I dont think it was. They got tangled up, he held on so Love couldnt get the ball. I dont think there was any malice intent at all.lhslep134;1724423 wrote:And yet the link says it was dirty and you refuse to
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like_that
Indeed.thavoice;1724424 wrote:
obviously I am wrong though. -
wildcats20
2 games for JR.
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wildcats20
Olynyk should miss around 5, not 1.
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lhslep134
Being unnecessarily forceful is dirty and doesn't require malice intent, which is why everyone is saying it's a dirty play even if Olynyk didn't mean to separate the shoulder.thavoice;1724424 wrote: I dont think there was any malice intent at all