2014-2015 Random NHL Thread

• sportchampps

  BTW why the hell do the Blue Jackets pay Boll 1.5 mil a season. He is garbage. I'm pretty sure his salary is the only reason he isn't a healthy scratch every night.
• TedSheckler

  

  It sucks they didn't have insurance on Horton and they fucked up by not having insurance, but coming in, his issue was his shoulder. That was fixed. His back issue is the thing no one saw coming. Hindsight 20/20.
  
  Yes, they took a bad contract in Clarkson, but they would have paid the same money to have Horton sitting in the press box (another bad contract now, since he'll likely never play again). At least now they get someone who can skate on the ice for their money. The CBJ aren't a cap team, so it doesn't really matter. Both teams win in this trade. CBJ get a player who can play and the Leafs free up cap space after putting him on LTIR. (They still have to pay Horton, he just won't count against the cap.) I'm not as butthurt as most in this trade. Makes sense.
  
  I'm OK trading Wiz, depending on the return. I think Jarmo will get a good return for Wiz. He wouldn't be a rental. He's got 2 years left on his contract.
  
  We agree on Boll. He sucks and should have never been given that kind of money.
  
  I wouldn't balk about getting season tickets. This is a good team. This season has just been shitty because of injury. They have the most man games lost over any team and they are still around .500. Without the injuries, they would be a playoff team. Hell, Bob has been healthy for only half the games. This is just a fluke year.
• rydawg5

  Not sure how you question getting season tickets over an issue like that.
  
  This is my 2nd year of having season tickets. I was going to opt for a half season, but there were too many restrictions on games.
  
  Actually, in 2013-2014 I sold 24 games and made 100% of my money back and went to the remain 20 games that year (including preseason) simply paying for meter parking to get in.
  
  So there isn't much risk financially man.
  
  Also, you never need to park in a garage. You'll find a meter if you try, and not have to wait in the zoo of parking after the game and pay 3 bucks or its free on Sunday games.
• TedSheckler

  

  I was a STH from 2007-2010. Had to give them up because we had a kid going to college. Damn priorities. Like RD said, we were always able to find someone to buy the tickets or we were more than happy to pass them out to friends if we weren't going to make it. As for parking, I always park in a $5 lot off Vine St.
• rydawg5

  TedSheckler;1708721 wrote:I was a STH from 2007-2010. Had to give them up because we had a kid going to college. Damn priorities. Like RD said, we were always able to find someone to buy the tickets or we were more than happy to pass them out to friends if we weren't going to make it. As for parking, I always park in a $5 lot off Vine St.

  This was the best parking place. I'm 99% sure it's been $10 this year.
• TedSheckler

  

  rydawg5;1708722 wrote:This was the best parking place. I'm 99% sure it's been $10 this year.

  Nope. Still $5. I've been to many games this year and still pay that. Here is the lot I'm talking about, just to make sure we're talking about the same place.
  
  
• rydawg5

  Oh ok. That's not a bad choice at all then.
• sportchampps

  I've been to almost every home game this year usually paying only about 20-25 for either lower level or club seats. Horton had Injury problems his whole career. The way insurance works in the NHL is teams can't pick 5-8 players and insure their contract. The insurance cost 5% of the contract. Almost every team uses this to insure their top 5-8 highest paid players. Columbus was to cheap and stupid to pay for the insurance. A small market team like Columbus (who will never reach the salary cap) can't overcome a contract like this. It's great they got a player but it should have never ever came to that. The CBJ are now stuck paying 6 million a season to a player who's worth about a 1 million a season for the next 5 years. As good as the young guys are even when healthy their not going to be better then a 5-6 seed in the playoffs.
• TedSheckler

  

  Well hell. I didn't realize it was Armageddon in Columbus. I wouldn't get tickets either. Save your money!
  
  
  You clearly don't understand the situation. They couldn't get insurance on Horton because of his shoulder (pre-existing condition). He was injured when he signed here. Now, you can question the term of the deal. They thought the shoulder issue was short term. Which it was. Then the back thing started over the summer when they could have got insurance and we know what happened from there. What you aren't understanding is Horton is going to get paid either way. If he's with the CBJ, they pay him. He's with the Leafs, they have to pay him. No way around that. The Leafs are putting him on LTIR so he doesn't count against the cap. Again, they still pay him. CBJ get out of paying for someone to sit in the pressbox.
  
  From the Dispatch:

  "Horton arrived with a pre-existing condition -- a chronically separated shoulder -- that could not be covered by insurance, and they knew Horton would miss more than half a season as he rehabilitated following surgery.
  The club opted not to buy insurance for the rest of Horton's body and appendages because it would have been impossible for any other illness or injury to cost him half a season. The shoulder had already put him over the threshold.
  Then, last summer, when it came time to insure Horton's contract, his back had deteriorated so badly that the Blue Jackets couldn't insure his contract."

  Understand?
  

  The CBJ are now stuck paying 6 million a season to a player who's worth about a 1 million a season for the next 5 years.

  I would rather have someone play that is worth $1 million than someone who's worth $0. This is a low-risk, high reward situation. They were going to pay the money ANYWAYS. And it's only a $5.25M cap hit.
  

  A small market team like Columbus (who will never reach the salary cap) can't overcome a contract like this.

  Really? This contract doesn't handcuff the CBJ because they aren't a cap team.
• TedSheckler

  

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0felOK6QUs&feature=youtu.be&t=45s
• rydawg5

  If Blue Jackets are getting 5th seeds in Stanley Cup Playoffs, I think you would have to be absolutely ecstatic in any year.
• queencitybuckeye

  rydawg5;1708876 wrote:If Blue Jackets are getting 5th seeds in Stanley Cup Playoffs, I think you would have to be absolutely ecstatic in any year.

  For a year or two. Then the bar should be set higher.
• rydawg5

  26 wins 34 losses for CBJ. .. Florida Panthers have 26 wins and 35 losses, yet have 7 more points in standings.
  
  Being first a football and basketball fan I will never understand why you get love for losing in overtime.
  
  
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• TedSheckler

  

  As a hockey first fan, we don't like it either.
• queencitybuckeye

  rydawg5;1708969 wrote:26 wins 34 losses for CBJ. .. Florida Panthers have 26 wins and 35 losses, yet have 7 more points in standings.
  
  Being first a football and basketball fan I will never understand why you get love for losing in overtime.
  
  
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  I'd be fine getting rid of it. I'd also be fine with getting rid of the shootout. If the game is even after 65 minutes, I don't think we have to pretend that someone "won" the game.
  
  At the very least, change the points as follows:
  
  Regulation win: 3
  OT/shootout win: 2
  OT/shootout loss: 1
  Regulation loss:0
  
  Makes no sense that some games are "worth" three points, others two.
• thavoice

  queencitybuckeye;1709019 wrote:I'd be fine getting rid of it. I'd also be fine with getting rid of the shootout. If the game is even after 65 minutes, I don't think we have to pretend that someone "won" the game.
  
  At the very least, change the points as follows:
  
  Regulation win: 3
  OT/shootout win: 2
  OT/shootout loss: 1
  Regulation loss:0
  
  Makes no sense that some games are "worth" three points, others two.

  I would be OK with this sort of system, but not getting rid of the shootouts.
  
  In most instances I am a traditionalist in sports, but if a fan is spending that sort of money, or investing 2.5+ hours of time watching it on TV I feel there needs to be someone crowned a winner. (i feel the same about the NFL..should be no ties). I have been to shootouts and didnt come away feeling the win was any less significant than one in regulation or that we had to pretend someone won and someone lost. Of course I would rather it played out but that really isnt very practical.
• sportchampps

  Jackets trade Wiz and 3rd for basically a decent prospect a 2nd rounder and a bag of rocks
• sportchampps

  Also overpay Cam today
• queencitybuckeye

  thavoice;1709485 wrote:I would be OK with this sort of system, but not getting rid of the shootouts.
  
  In most instances I am a traditionalist in sports, but if a fan is spending that sort of money, or investing 2.5+ hours of time watching it on TV I feel there needs to be someone crowned a winner. (i feel the same about the NFL..should be no ties). I have been to shootouts and didnt come away feeling the win was any less significant than one in regulation or that we had to pretend someone won and someone lost. Of course I would rather it played out but that really isnt very practical.

  To each their own. If I spent money for a game that was great for 65 minutes and ended in a tie, I'd feel the money was better spent than a crapfest that had a shootout attached.
• TedSheckler

  

  A skills competition is no way to determine a winner.
  
  They didn't overpay for Atkinson.
  
  I'm meh on the Wiz deal. He was a liability on D. He was great on the PP with a bomb.
• rydawg5

  I don't mind keeping Atkinson, he is a good skill player. I don't know about the Wiz deal I like him and think we could have someone else that would fit the "Building Blocks" of who the CBJ are.
  
  You know, the 2 goals and try to win blocks.
• sportchampps

  Cam is only making 1.5 mil less then the deal the CBJ gave RyJo for three years. RyJo got 3 3 and 6 mil a year. Cam got 2.5 3.5 4.5 Mil a year. So RyJo will make 12 for 3 years and Cam got 10.5
• sportchampps

  The best grade I've seen the CBJ receive so far from Bational Media about the trade deadline moves is a D+
• TedSheckler

  

  sportchampps;1709595 wrote:Cam is only making 1.5 mil less then the deal the CBJ gave RyJo for three years. RyJo got 3 3 and 6 mil a year. Cam got 2.5 3.5 4.5 Mil a year. So RyJo will make 12 for 3 years and Cam got 10.5

  Johanson got a bridge deal. After his 3 years are up, he's still a RFA and will earn a huge contract. Cam can be a 20+ goal scorer.
  

  sportchampps;1709596 wrote:The best grade I've seen the CBJ receive so far from Bational Media about the trade deadline moves is a D+

  They definitely didn't hit it out of the park. They were sellers. They aren't making the playoffs. They freed up a lot of cap space in the Wiz deal. Here's an interesting take on the Wiz deal. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/instant-analysis-jackets-send-wisniewski-anaheim/
• sportchampps

  Clarkson is out for the season.