2014-2015 NBA Off Season, Draft, Free Agency
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robj55
19 ppg on 14 shots, for a 6'4'' 2 guard.Laley23;1632740 wrote:If we really want efficient, we need to look at points per shot... -
Dr. KnOiTaLL
It's all based on the makeup of the team. For instance, Steph Curry's job isn't to do all his scoring in the paint. They have bigs who are effective in there. Curry's job is to space the floor to create room for the bigs to operate. Does that mean he NEVER goes to the hole? No, but that's not his number 1 priority.robj55;1632736 wrote:No he doesn't he shoots it extremely well from mid range and the long two. Also the point of the game is to get the best shots available to have a higher chance of scoring, Wade understands that and does that. He doesn't need to shoot it 20-22 times a game to get his points and contribute. -
sleeper
Curry on the Heat instead of Wade = championship. Heat with Wade = blown out by Spurs team with average age of 40 in 5 games. The Heat didn't just lose, THEY GOT BLOWN OUT because their second option is a 3-point specialist big man and an overrated, overpaid SG who can barely stay on the court.robj55;1632739 wrote:Wade averaged 15 ppg in the finals, let's see Curry even get there and win a ring. Wade is the third best SG of all time. Oh and Curry doesn't have bad knees he has shit ankles. -
robj55
Yes, so it penalizes guys who don't take threes like I said and rewards guys who shoot a ton and make an okay percentage of them.lhslep134;1632743 wrote:Here's the definition of true shooting from basketball-reference. I will bold the word that you have definitively shown you have no idea what it means: [/FONT][/COLOR] -
Laley23
Steve Kerr shot a better % from 3 than 2 SIX times in his career. Ray Allen never did.
I am now 3/5 on hunches of who has done this feat. -
sleeper
Talking about 2013- 2014; brings up Wade as 3rd ALL-TIME SG. LOLrobj55;1632742 wrote:smh man, we are talking about based on 2013-2014. Terrible -
robj55
haha you're so wrong. Curry plays no D, the Spurs beat Miami as a team. You could have swapped out Lebron for Jordan and they still would have got spanked.sleeper;1632746 wrote:Curry on the Heat instead of Wade = championship. Heat with Wade = blown out by Spurs team with average age of 40 in 5 games. The Heat didn't just lose, THEY GOT BLOWN OUT because their second option is a 3-point specialist big man and an overrated, overpaid SG who can barely stay on the court. -
sleeper
Agreed because Wade is fucking garbage and Bosh is a 7 foot tall mediocre 3-point shooter.robj55;1632751 wrote:haha you're so wrong. Curry plays no D, the Spurs beat Miami as a team. You could have swapped out Lebron for Jordan and they still would have got spanked. -
robj55
Yes pertaining to what we were talking about, reminding you of who you were talking about. Curry will never be top 3 anything.sleeper;1632750 wrote:Talking about 2013- 2014; brings up Wade as 3rd ALL-TIME SG. LOL -
robj55
It's a team sport, but you have no understanding of that so it's pointless. SA out executed them.sleeper;1632752 wrote:Agreed because Wade is fucking garbage and Bosh is a 7 foot tall mediocre 3-point shooter. -
Laley23
Basic math says that if someone shoots 30% from three, they need to make 45% of there twos to be equal...as a 3 is 50% more than a 2.robj55;1632747 wrote:Yes, so it penalizes guys who don't take threes like I said and rewards guys who shoot a ton and make an okay percentage of them.
So, Wade made 55% of his 2s. So someone who shot 36% from 3 is essentially the same scorer, assuming they take the same amount of shots (which is where it would vary, as role players wont be able to get as many shots off). -
robj55
Steve Kerr probably never took 2's, like Battier recently.Laley23;1632749 wrote:Steve Kerr shot a better % from 3 than 2 SIX times in his career. Ray Allen never did.
I am now 3/5 on hunches of who has done this feat. -
Dr. KnOiTaLL
I still bolded one's that weren't as good as Wade in the 2013-14 season, even though I said many are still improving. Not sure what you're shaking your head about.robj55;1632742 wrote:smh man, we are talking about based on 2013-2014. Terrible -
sleeper
What does top 3 all time have to do with right now? Jordan is a top 3 player all-time too, does that mean he's a top 25 player in the league RIGHT NOW?robj55;1632753 wrote:Yes pertaining to what we were talking about, reminding you of who you were talking about. Curry will never be top 3 anything.
Your argument is broken, your logic is flawed. Christ, did you even watch basketball this year? WADE IS THE PROBLEM; HE'S NOT ANY GOOD. -
lhslep134
Laley that's not even an argument besides from Rob. Rob only brought that up because he couldn't comprehend my post.Laley23;1632749 wrote:Steve Kerr shot a better % from 3 than 2 SIX times in his career. Ray Allen never did.
I am now 3/5 on hunches of who has done this feat. -
Laley23
He did win a title with one though!robj55;1632756 wrote:Steve Kerr probably never took 2's, like Battier recently. -
robj55
Wade shot 32 three's last year, not like he took zero. And I'm not going to penalize a guy for being able to get HIS shots and MAKE them. The point of the game and offense is to get the best shots available that you can, and Wade can do that.Laley23;1632755 wrote:Basic math says that if someone shoots 30% from three, they need to make 45% of there twos to be equal...as a 3 is 50% more than a 2.
So, Wade made 55% of his 2s. So someone who shot 36% from 3 is essentially the same scorer, assuming they take the same amount of shots (which is where it would vary, as role players wont be able to get as many shots off). -
robj55
Yep I remember watching that, I wonder if they criticized Jordan for passing in the clutch?Laley23;1632760 wrote:He did win a title with one though! -
Laley23
I ran with it because I was actuallylhslep134;1632759 wrote:Laley that's not even an argument besides from Rob. Rob only brought that up because he couldn't comprehend my post.
curious myself who had. I knew some of those had to have done it. -
robj55
Nice list LOL 19 ppg on 55% form the field hurts your argument doesn't it? Your list was the most laughable thing on here. You named me 15 guys who were better, I'm still waiting on the other 10.sleeper;1632758 wrote:What does top 3 all time have to do with right now? Jordan is a top 3 player all-time too, does that mean he's a top 25 player in the league RIGHT NOW?
Your argument is broken, your logic is flawed. Christ, did you even watch basketball this year? WADE IS THE PROBLEM; HE'S NOT ANY GOOD. -
lhslep134
Fair enough. BTW I know you asked for points per shot, but would offensive rating (points produced per 100 possessions) be a better rating? that would then take into account other (in)efficiencies on offenseLaley23;1632764 wrote:I ran with it because I was actually
curious myself who had. I knew some of those had to have done it. -
robj55
If we are talking about guys I would rather have going forward that is a different argument entirely.Dr. KnOiTaLL;1632757 wrote:I still bolded one's that weren't as good as Wade in the 2013-14 season, even though I said many are still improving. Not sure what you're shaking your head about. -
robj55
What's funny is Sleeper shit's on chuckers all the time, but gives no credit to a guy who can get 19 ppg on only 14 shots shooting an astounding 55% from the field as a 2 guard. Hypocrite.
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Laley23
Im not criticizing him for not taking 3s...and less than .5 a game is essentially 0 lol. Don't go around telling people someone got 32 assists last year, so it's not like he never passed it...robj55;1632761 wrote:Wade shot 32 three's last year, not like he took zero. And I'm not going to penalize a guy for being able to get HIS shots and MAKE them. The point of the game and offense is to get the best shots available that you can, and Wade can do that.
What I'm arguing is that YOU are devaluing a 3 pt shooter because he doesn't have as good of a FG%...but in reality, he doesn't need to in order to be more effective and better. -
lhslep134
So if you want to take into account all offensive efficiency, Dwayne finished, among guards with > 1700 minutes played, 27th out of 50 in offensive rating.
Rob, let me simplify it: offensively, Wade was the 27th most efficient guard last year.
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