2014-2015 NBA Off Season, Draft, Free Agency
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robj55
They need some upgrades, wouldn't call it an overhaul. They were better than every other team in the league last year minus the Spurs. They exposed their aging roster and out coached them. People have to remember that the Spurs are the only team in the league that plays that style of ball and can execute in the way they do with the amount of shooters. Everyone else plays iso or pick and roll largely. I don't know who's available so it will be interesting to see what Riley can do.HelloAgain;1632467 wrote:To win a title, they need a significant addition/additions. They got smoked in the finals and virtually everyone on their roster will be worse players next year than they were this year. -
Lovejoy1984
Yes they do. They only have like 2 guys under contract, both PG's both avg at best. Even resigning the big 3 they cannot bring back anything remotely close to the same team.robj55;1632464 wrote:They don't need a major overhaul, just some younger legs and athleticism. Not sure who they can add to help them in that area but Riley always seems to figure it out.
You need to replace/upgrade, Oden, Battier, Lewis, Beasley, Allen, Haslem, Chalmers, Birdman, James Jones, and Wade's knees won't be any better this year. -
robj55
I like what the Cavs are doing though, just concerned on who is going to be their leader. I don't see Kyrie as much of one.
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robj55
I was referring to what they had last year.HighRoller74;1632471 wrote:Yes they do. They only have like 2 guys under contract, both PG's both avg at best. Even resigning the big 3 they cannot bring back anything remotely close to the same team.
You need to replace/upgrade, Oden, Battier, Lewis, Beasley, Allen, Haslem, Chalmers, Birdman, James Jones, and Wade's knees won't be any better this year. -
SportsAndLady
I would probably rather have Andy and mo over 2014 wade and bosh. Almost.robj55;1632469 wrote:Lebron didn't have Wade and Bosh in Cleveland, he had Mo Williams and Andy. They need to get some youth and athleticism, some of their core got old. Beasley should be brought back, he can get you 10 a game off the bench. Is there any word on whether Ray Allen is retiring? -
robj55
That's because you're delusional at times.SportsAndLady;1632474 wrote:I would probably rather have Andy and mo over 2014 wade and bosh. Almost. -
Lovejoy1984
I deleted my post because others had already chimed in.robj55;1632473 wrote:I was referring to what they had last year.
But that is what they had last year and they got smoked.
They won't be able to get younger because young players are chasing money at this stage, not rings. They'll be stuck with Wince, Matrix, etc. Which will just make them even older, less athletic. -
Lovejoy1984
I'd still take Bosh over anyone the Cavs had, but it'd be a definite toss up between 2007-2010 Mo, and 2014 Wade.SportsAndLady;1632474 wrote:I would probably rather have Andy and mo over 2014 wade and bosh. Almost. -
friendfromlowry
Based on what????? The Spurs struggled to get to the finals and almost lost to the eight-seed. The Heat were definitely better than the east, but idk how you can say they were better than some of the other western teams.robj55;1632470 wrote:They need some upgrades, wouldn't call it an overhaul. They were better than every other team in the league last year minus the Spurs. They exposed their aging roster and out coached them. People have to remember that the Spurs are the only team in the league that plays that style of ball and can execute in the way they do with the amount of shooters. Everyone else plays iso or pick and roll largely. I don't know who's available so it will be interesting to see what Riley can do. -
robj55
HighRoller74;1632476 wrote:I deleted my post because others had already chimed in.
But that is what they had last year and they got smoked.
They won't be able to get younger because young players are chasing money at this stage, not rings. They'll be stuck with Wince, Matrix, etc. Which will just make them even older, less athletic.
You may be right about guys going after money but Miami is a great destination and you get to play with the best player in the world with a chance to win a title every year. Trevor Ariza is still a possibility, can shoot the 3, is athletic and can defend at a high level. Really just all speculation at this point. -
Lovejoy1984
Agreed. Thunder/Grizz/Clips(pre-sterling shitshow) would've all given them all they wanted in more in the finals.friendfromlowry;1632478 wrote:Based on what????? The Spurs struggled to get to the finals and almost lost to the eight-seed. The Heat were definitely better than the east, but idk how you can say they were better than some of the other western teams. -
robj55
Those west teams play nothing like SA, the way to beat Miami was to do exactly what SA did. No other team out West was capable of that. OKC plays right into Miami's hands, Miami would have beaten them in 5 or 6. None of those teams can do a combination of executing, defending, passing and shooting the way SA does.friendfromlowry;1632478 wrote:Based on what????? The Spurs struggled to get to the finals and almost lost to the eight-seed. The Heat were definitely better than the east, but idk how you can say they were better than some of the other western teams. -
Lovejoy1984
Eh, if Trevor Ariza is the best they can do, they are in trouble.robj55;1632479 wrote:You may be right about guys going after money but Miami is a great destination and you get to play with the best player in the world with a chance to win a title every year. Trevor Ariza is still a possibility, can shoot the 3, is athletic and can defend at a high level. Really just all speculation at this point.
At what he'd be asked to do, he'd be slightly better than the Ray Allen/Battier combo this year. -
Lovejoy1984
You don't really believe that? Westbrook would've ate Wade alive during that entire series. LBJ/Durant cancel each other out.robj55;1632481 wrote:Those west teams play nothing like SA, the way to beat Miami was to do exactly what SA did. No other team out West was capable of that. OKC plays right into Miami's hands, Miami would have beaten them in 5 or 6. None of those teams can do a combination of executing, defending, passing and shooting the way SA does.
So it'd really come down to Bosh against Ibaka, which would be a Heat lean. -
robj55
Miami beat OKC in 5 games when they had James Harden, OKC doesn't exploit Miami's weaknesses they play right into them with their hero ball and shit shot selection. They also aren't nearly as good defensively or as well coached as SA. You ever heard of the term styles make fights? Well that applies to basketball too. It's not all about what's on paper.HighRoller74;1632480 wrote:Agreed. Thunder/Grizz/Clips(pre-sterling shitshow) would've all given them all they wanted in more in the finals. -
robj55
Wade wouldn't have guarded him, and Russ had a 40 point game against them in the finals two years ago and they still lost that game and the series in 5. OKC plays right into Miami's game, everyone knows that.HighRoller74;1632483 wrote:You don't really believe that? Westbrook would've ate Wade alive during that entire series. -
Lovejoy1984
Durant is better now, so is Westbrook/Ibaka. Where as Wade is significantly worse than he was in 2011. They'd go 6/7 games easy.robj55;1632484 wrote:Miami beat OKC in 5 games when they had James Harden, OKC doesn't exploit Miami's weaknesses they play right into them with their hero ball and shit shot selection. They also aren't nearly as good defensively or as well coached as SA. You ever heard of the term styles make fights? Well that applies to basketball too. It's not all about what's on paper. -
robj55
No it's not, not even close. Go look at the numbers, hell just look at the impact. In those two years he averaged 17 ppg on 45% shooting.HighRoller74;1632477 wrote:I'd still take Bosh over anyone the Cavs had, but it'd be a definite toss up between 2007-2010 Mo, and 2014 Wade. -
friendfromlowry
Well, you also thought Miami would win in 6/7 games and there would be a ton of lead changes and swings, soooo......robj55;1632481 wrote:Those west teams play nothing like SA, the way to beat Miami was to do exactly what SA did. No other team out West was capable of that. OKC plays right into Miami's hands, Miami would have beaten them in 5 or 6. None of those teams can do a combination of executing, defending, passing and shooting the way SA does. -
Lovejoy1984
Who would've checked Westbrook?robj55;1632485 wrote:Wade wouldn't have guarded him, and Russ had a 40 point game against them in the finals two years ago and they still lost that game and the series in 5. OKC plays right into Miami's game, everyone knows that.
Certainly not Chalmers. You keep referencing 2 years ago, but that has little, to now bearing on this season. -
robj55
I said 5 or 6 lol Lebron is way better now too, Ibaka doesn't even get involved offensively for them because they have two guys that only want to go one on one and score. They had this guy named Harden back then off the bench too, he's pretty good.HighRoller74;1632486 wrote:Durant is better now, so is Westbrook/Ibaka. Where as Wade is significantly worse than he was in 2011. They'd go 6/7 games easy. -
robj55
He guarded him then and they won in 5 games. Russ checks himself half the time by his awful shot selection. They just aren't disciplined to beat Miami, you're grasping at straws here.HighRoller74;1632489 wrote:Who would've checked Westbrook?
Certainly not Chalmers. You keep referencing 2 years ago, but that has little, to now bearing on this season. -
robj55
You're right but again, SA is completely different than any other team in the NBA. Not even comparable.friendfromlowry;1632488 wrote:Well, you also thought Miami would win in 6/7 games and there would be a ton of lead changes and swings, soooo...... -
robj55
Styles make fights. There were two teams that had the ability to beat Miami in a 7 game series, Indy and SA, SA succeeded.
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friendfromlowry
Lol what the fuck ever. I like how you just assume Miami would crush anyone when you were initially wrong about them even beating SA. I'm not saying the Clippers or Thunder or Blazers would have beat them, but you can't automatically assume Miami would have won because only San Antonio would have had this brilliant, unique gameplan of "team basketball." San Antonio's executing, passing, and shooting had nothing to do with Bosh, Wade, and the rest of the team not showing up.robj55;1632492 wrote:You're right but again, SA is completely different than any other team in the NBA. Not even comparable.