Cleveland Cavaliers Offseason 2014
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BR1986FB
It's his opinion. He thinks Wiggins will be the man where we necessarily don't. We all have our personal opinions. Believe me, I still wear that Brandon Weeden albatross around my neck.lhslep134;1642088 wrote:You talk about potential before he's played a game (fine) but then you call him a lock down defender and three point shooter before he's played a game (not fine).
The hope is that he becomes a lock down defending three point shooter but right now it's still an unknown. He didn't look like a lock down defender when Isaiah Canaan(!!) beat him off the dribble to seal the game. He's young and he's not going to be a stud right away but that's how you're making it sound.
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robj55
People are overly fascinated with his athleticism, as a basketball player he has quite a few holes.lhslep134;1642092 wrote:And I'll gladly each crow if Wiggins makes 1st or 2nd all NBA in the next 3-4 years but I simply don't see it happening in Minnesota. It might have happened here, playing under Lebron, but not in MN. -
BR1986FB
Agreed again. Lebron would've been a nice "buffer" to buy Wiggins some time to hone his craft. He won't have that talent to hide behind in Minny.lhslep134;1642092 wrote:And I'll gladly each crow if Wiggins makes 1st or 2nd all NBA in the next 3-4 years but I simply don't see it happening in Minnesota. It might have happened here, playing under Lebron, but not in MN. -
lhslep134
I have no problem with S&L thinking Wiggins will be a future HOF. I have a problem with him talking about him like he's already a lock down 3 point shooter before he's played an NBA game.BR1986FB;1642094 wrote:It's his opinion. He thinks Wiggins will be the man where we necessarily don't. -
lhslep134
And in MN he'll need to create his own shot, which is one of his current knocks. His step back is deadly relative to most rookies' but there's a lot more to work on. People can hate on Love for scoring all those points, but to do that night in and night out on a mediocre team as their best scoring threat is impressive. It shows he can create his own shot and score on his own which becomes crucial in the playoffs.robj55;1642096 wrote:People are overly fascinated with his athleticism, as a basketball player he has quite a few holes. -
robj55
The only knock I see on Kevin Love is that he's not a rim protector, he does everything else well. Rebounding is part of defense, and he is the best in the league on the boards imo. He is also a good positional defender and a great passer. Him and Lebron running the pick and roll/pop will be deadly. Wiggins handle has to get better, he needs to get stronger and his jump shot needs work.lhslep134;1642099 wrote:And in MN he'll need to create his own shot, which is one of his current knocks. His step back is deadly relative to most rookies' but there's a lot more to work on. People can hate on Love for scoring all those points, but to do that night in and night out on a mediocre team as their best scoring threat is impressive. It shows he can create his own shot and score on his own which becomes crucial in the playoffs. -
SportsAndLady
I never said HOF. He's a very good defender and can shoot 3's. Whether you're playing in the NBA, canada, China, Ukraine, Mars or Quahog you don't lose that ability.lhslep134;1642098 wrote:I have no problem with S&L thinking Wiggins will be a future HOF. I have a problem with him talking about him like he's already a lock down 3 point shooter before he's played an NBA game. -
SportsAndLady
And for Christ sake robj, can you stop? No one on here wants you to post here. You're the worst kind of fan. Literally 2 months ago you were posting as a heat fan (even though you won't admit it) and now you're all over cavs threads like you are some basketball genius. Just stop
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lhslep134
I know you didn't say HOF but COA did, and I don't have a problem with believing that so that wasn't even a criticism.SportsAndLady;1642103 wrote:I never said HOF. He's a very good defender and can shoot 3's. Whether you're playing in the NBA, canada, China, Ukraine, Mars or Quahog you don't lose that ability.
What happened on the Canaan play? That was very poor defending with the game on the line. We have no proof (yet) that he'll be able to defend in the NBA. Smart money says he'll become a shut down defender but there's no guarantee of it, that's my only point. -
robj55
Someone is butthurt because they don't agree with me, get over it. I'm able to post my opinion just like you are, quit being such a crybaby.SportsAndLady;1642104 wrote:And for Christ sake robj, can you stop? No one on here wants you to post here. You're the worst kind of fan. Literally 2 months ago you were posting as a heat fan (even though you won't admit it) and now you're all over cavs threads like you are some basketball genius. Just stop -
SportsAndLady
I'm not guaranteeing it, it is just my opinion that he is a lock down defender. Sheeshlhslep134;1642106 wrote:I know you didn't say HOF but COA did, and I don't have a problem with believing that so that wasn't even a criticism.
What happened on the Canaan play? That was very poor defending with the game on the line. We have no proof (yet) that he'll be able to defend in the NBA. Smart money says he'll become a shut down defender but there's no guarantee of it, that's my only point. -
SportsAndLady
Has nothing to do with your opinion, just find it comical you were a cavs fan, then a heat fan, and now back on the cavs bandwagon.robj55;1642107 wrote:Someone is butthurt because they don't agree with me, get over it. I'm able to post my opinion just like you are, quit being such a crybaby.
My 14 year old cousin is the same way. -
Mulva
I personally think Wiggins best comparison, at this stage, might be Corey Brewer. -
robj55
So I'm a Cavs fan because I'm posting on an Ohio message board, good to know.SportsAndLady;1642115 wrote:Has nothing to do with your opinion, just find it comical you were a cavs fan, then a heat fan, and now back on the cavs bandwagon.
My 14 year old cousin is the same way. -
Ironman92
Might very well, the next 1-4 years should provide a hell of a lot of enjoyment and hopefully a championship or two.SportsAndLady;1642035 wrote:I think we'll look back on this in 5-10 years and think how poor of a trade this turned out to be.
Hate to be that negative guy lol but just how I feel. -
SportsAndLady
On a cavs thread. In support of the cavs. LOL give it up manrobj55;1642119 wrote:So I'm a Cavs fan because I'm posting on an Ohio message board, good to know. -
BR1986FB
And who would bitch about that? Not me.Ironman92;1642120 wrote:Might very well, the next 1-4 years should provide a hell of a lot of enjoyment and hopefully a championship or two. -
Automatik
People are discussing Cleveland all over the fucking country. I'm on a random off-topic forum and there is a 30+ page thread discussing the NBA offseason, with LeBron and Cleveland consisting of 90% of the posts. -
BR1986FB
With Johnny Football, Lebron James and now Kevin Love, Cleveland is the center of the sports universe.Automatik;1642125 wrote:People are discussing Cleveland all over the fucking country. I'm on a random off-topic forum and there is a 30+ page thread discussing the NBA offseason, with LeBron and Cleveland consisting of 90% of the posts. -
Ironman92
I want to see the Cavs win it all because I want to see how big it gets when Cleveland wins a championship. A lot of shit would happen I feel. Helluva 30 for 30 episode.
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Commander of Awesome
Just to be clear, I think Wiggins has HoF potential. I think he's that talented. Whether or not he gets there is up to him, etc... I am NOT saying he'll definitely be a HoFer.lhslep134;1642106 wrote:I know you didn't say HOF but COA did, and I don't have a problem with believing that so that wasn't even a criticism.
What happened on the Canaan play? That was very poor defending with the game on the line. We have no proof (yet) that he'll be able to defend in the NBA. Smart money says he'll become a shut down defender but there's no guarantee of it, that's my only point. -
Ironman92
That's how I read it in the first place.Commander of Awesome;1642128 wrote:Just to be clear, I think Wiggins has HoF potential. I think he's that talented. Whether or not he gets there is up to him, etc... I am NOT saying he'll definitely be a HoFer. -
Commander of Awesome
Sometimes things have a way of being twisted and changed over time here on the OC. Wanted to put it in the clear writing.Ironman92;1642129 wrote:That's how I read it in the first place. -
vball10set
lol, understatement of the year!!!Commander of Awesome;1642131 wrote:Sometimes things have a way of being twisted and changed over time here on the OC.... -
Crimson streak
The city would be a mess guaranteed. If the browns win a Super Bowl the whole city will burn down lolIronman92;1642127 wrote:I want to see the Cavs win it all because I want to see how big it gets when Cleveland wins a championship. A lot of shit would happen I feel. Helluva 30 for 30 episode.