NFL 2014 Offseason Thread
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thavoice
Your point is?DeyDurkie5;1641249 wrote:
He is def on the up and up. If they would have waited until after he does great again this season, takes the next step, the bengals would be on the hook for much, much more.
When the details come out is when we will find out truly how good, or bad, it is. -
like_that
We get you are trying to reverse jinx him. It's fucking obvious, just stop.thavoice;1641271 wrote:Your point is?
He is def on the up and up. If they would have waited until after he does great again this season, takes the next step, the bengals would be on the hook for much, much more.
When the details come out is when we will find out truly how good, or bad, it is.
With that being said, he is nowhere near worth 115m and if he took an incentive contract he is a dipshit. -
KB0938Dalton got 115 Mill. LOLLLLLL, unless its SUPER incentive based like Kaep, this is an epic failure
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Azubuike24
They haven't released the deal, but people on a few forums are saying it's a similar deal. Very little guaranteed money compared to the total figure. We'll see. I support Dalton (as we discussed a few pages back, I think he gets unnecessary flack), but I was also on the side of waiting another year before extending him. Worst-case scenario, he would've won more this year and you end up paying him pretty similar money. -
thavoice
Actually, not trying to reverse jinx him, but thanks for recognizng my M.O.like_that;1641276 wrote:We get you are trying to reverse jinx him. It's fucking obvious, just stop.
With that being said, he is nowhere near worth 115m and if he took an incentive contract he is a dipshit.
He has put up solid regular season numbers so far. Yeah, he has faltered in the playoffs. I was at the playoff game last year and I didnt see any sense or urgency on that side of the ball and I think that stems from the OC. Hu Jackson is bringing a more up tempo, no huddle style that I think is going to help AD and the offense big time. -
DeyDurkie5
My point Is when they put the game in his hands, like the playoffs, he sucks. It's not a hard concept really. Although, that's steeler nation for youthavoice;1641271 wrote:Your point is?
He is def on the up and up. If they would have waited until after he does great again this season, takes the next step, the bengals would be on the hook for much, much more.
When the details come out is when we will find out truly how good, or bad, it is. -
thavoice
and they dont put the game in his hands during the regular season?DeyDurkie5;1641292 wrote:My point Is when they put the game in his hands, like the playoffs, he sucks. It's not a hard concept really. Although, that's steeler nation for you
I thought they play called more conservatively in the postseason than they did in the playoffs.
But as as said...Jackson is bringing more of an uptempo style to the offense and Look for Dalton's numbers to improve. -
Automatik
He totally shit his pants when it counted ala Tony Romo. Some of those throws were atrocious. Until he doesn't do that again I dgaf what he does during the regular season. -
thavoice
I cant disagree with you there. The bengals gambled with this deal, no doubt, but they obviously felt that AD is on the cusp and could cost them a whole helluvalot more if he achieves what they think he will.Automatik;1641300 wrote:He totally shit his pants when it counted ala Tony Romo. Some of those throws were atrocious. Until he doesn't do that again I dgaf what he does during the regular season.
I hope he does flop and fucks the bengals franchise for a long time, but I think he is on the rise.
Romo has a very, very high 4th qtr QBR. Part of it though is because he sucks early in the games and the team falls behind, and he gets to throw it more later to get back into the gmae -
Automatik
Like Azu said, it's gotta be very incentive-laden. The media just likes to go nutty when they see $115 mil, but it's all about the guaranteed money.
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Terry_Tate
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/04/dalton-gets-17-million-now-22-million-through-early-march/
Sounds like a deal very similar in structure to Kaep. -
DeyDurkie5
His qbr is good for 23rd out of qualifying qbs. Get out of here with your nonsensethavoice;1641302 wrote:I cant disagree with you there. The bengals gambled with this deal, no doubt, but they obviously felt that AD is on the cusp and could cost them a whole helluvalot more if he achieves what they think he will.
I hope he does flop and fucks the bengals franchise for a long time, but I think he is on the rise.
Romo has a very, very high 4th qtr QBR. Part of it though is because he sucks early in the games and the team falls behind, and he gets to throw it more later to get back into the gmae -
Heretic
Good column on Dalton that focuses on what his main problem is: he sucks under pressure. I guess if he gets better in that situation, he could be a worthwhile investment, but I don't know how that'll work out.
http://grantland.com/features/andy-dalton-cincinnati-bengals-pressure/ -
BR1986FBWe all know that Dalton hasn't played well in the playoffs but, as has been mentioned, what are the Bengals going to get off the street better than him? He puts up good regular season numbers and then stinks in the playoffs. For now, as a Browns fan, I'm glad he's in our division but Cincy isn't going to find much better on the scrap heap. As for as bad as he's been, Browns fans ould be pissing down their legs to have a QB lead them to three consectutive playoff appearances. That being said, Dalton still sucks.
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DeyDurkie5
He didn't lead them to the playoffs, the defense and aj green did. They would've been super bowl contenders the past 2 years had he not been on thereBR1986FB;1641319 wrote:We all know that Dalton hasn't played well in the playoffs but, as has been mentioned, what are the Bengals going to get off the street better than him? He puts up good regular season numbers and then stinks in the playoffs. For now, as a Browns fan, I'm glad he's in our division but Cincy isn't going to find much better on the scrap heap. As for as bad as he's been, Browns fans ould be pissing down their legs to have a QB lead them to three consectutive playoff appearances. That being said, Dalton still sucks. -
gport_tennisNot everybody gets Russell Wilson. You guys see a QB that's 0-3 in the playoffs...I see a QB who has lead his team to playoffs three times and should only get better
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like_that
I see a QB that is not worth 116 million and is average if you take green out of the game. I get the argument that it's hard to find a QB, but these contracts for some of these guys are ridiculous.gport_tennis;1641353 wrote:Not everybody gets Russell Wilson. You guys see a QB that's 0-3 in the playoffs...I see a QB who has lead his team to playoffs three times and should only get better -
DeyDurkie5
I see a qb who didn't lead shit. The defense did. That's like saying I see a cb(newman) who lead his team to the playoffs 3 straight years.gport_tennis;1641353 wrote:Not everybody gets Russell Wilson. You guys see a QB that's 0-3 in the playoffs...I see a QB who has lead his team to playoffs three times and should only get better -
friendfromlowry
Cleveland had a good defense and an elite WR last season. Why didn't they make the playoffs?DeyDurkie5;1641364 wrote:I see a qb who didn't lead shit. The defense did. That's like saying I see a cb(newman) who lead his team to the playoffs 3 straight years. -
Ironman92
Cause the 4-12 prediction jinx that was insanely greatfriendfromlowry;1641391 wrote:Cleveland had a good defense and an elite WR last season. Why didn't they make the playoffs? -
Ironman92
Cleveland had a good defense but I believe one of the worst in the Redzonefriendfromlowry;1641391 wrote:Cleveland had a good defense and an elite WR last season. Why didn't they make the playoffs? -
WallyIronman92;1641397 wrote:Cleveland had a good defense but I believe one of the worst in the Redzone
and couldn't get off the field on 3rd down and couldn't hold a lead in the 4th quarter.....and the Browns had zero running game last year while the Bengals had a decent running game most of the time. -
Commander of Awesome
Anyone know if Amazon and Madden are doing the same promotion as last yr? Order madden and get online streaming of NFL games included? -
salto
Obama.friendfromlowry;1641391 wrote:Cleveland had a good defense and an elite WR last season. Why didn't they make the playoffs? -
like_that
Horrible comparison. There are PLENTY of other factors that led to a 4 win season for the browns. I am not saying dalton is a complete pile of shit. He is more of a poor mans Matt Schaub IMO. Same type of roster when Houston was doing well. Yes, I would have taken that production from him last year, but I sure as hell wouldn't hope for a 115m contract for him.friendfromlowry;1641391 wrote:Cleveland had a good defense and an elite WR last season. Why didn't they make the playoffs?