NFL 2014 Offseason Thread

• SportsAndLady

  

  lhslep134;1638935 wrote:Be completely honest: how many times did you watch Tannehill last year? Maybe once? These guys are paid to watch, detail, and grade every aspect of every single play he made all year.
  
  You do realize that in process based grading Tannehill could make a perfect QB play and the result could still be an incompletion or interception because of the fault of the receiver? Or another player?
  
  Everything I've read about Tannehill from experts, since I personally didn't watch Tannehill last year, is that he's got all the talent in the world. The PFF rating reflects solely his performance as a QB independently of his surroundings. That's why his ranking =/= his perception.

  I will discredit any ranking system that had Tannehill as a top 5 QB. Period. I don't care that I only watched about 16 quarters of Tannehill games, or that these guys are paid to watch every throw blah blah blah. I have a brain, which is all you need to determine Tannehill is juuuuust outside the top 5 lmao
• vball10set

  SAS is paid to create controversy whether it's there or not. That being said, he's a fucking douche, and I can't stand him.
• Heretic

  

  BR1986FB;1638942 wrote:Just when Screamin A. Smith was starting to be tolerable to me....
  
  Michelle Beadle ✔@MichelleDBeadleFollowSo I was just forced to watch this morning's First Take. A) I'll never feel clean again B) I'm now aware that I can provoke my own beating.
  12:39 PM - 25 Jul 2014
  
  Michelle Beadle ✔@MichelleDBeadleFollowI'm thinking about wearing a miniskirt this weekend...I'd hate to think what I'd be asking for by doing so @stephenasmith. #dontprovoke
  
  Michelle Beadle ✔@MichelleDBeadleFollow
  I was in an abusive relationship once. I'm aware that men & women can both be the abuser. To spread a message that we not 'provoke' is wrong
  1:24 PM - 25 Jul 2014
  
  Didn't watch but it sounds like SAS was defending Ray Rice.....
  
  
  
  
  

  Well, like has been said before, he came off as intelligent and well-spoken when talking about the Mark Cuban thing.
  
  Intelligent and well-spoken. That shit don't fly on a show like First Take, so he had to derp it up to give that show's fanbase something they can mentally process, since thoughtful and articulate is a few miles above that group's collective head.
• Terry_Tate

  

  lhslep134;1638917 wrote:You cannot discredit PFF. You can disagree with them, but you cannot discredit them as worthless. Their process based grading ignores the fact that the rest of the Dolphins were inept.

  I was being sarcastic regarding throwing out the entire list, because other than Tannehill it looks pretty accurate, but still, Tannehill at #5 is just a big LOL.
  
  Also, how the hell is Nick Foles not on that list? If Josh McCown made it Nick Foles had to be eligible. Dude had an insane last half of the year.
  
  And I don't think Brady slipped last year as much as the fact that not a damn person knew anything about their WRs except they picked up Danny Amendola to be their new Wes Welker and he almost immediately got injured. He was throwing to Kenbrell Thompkins and Aaron Dobson for fucks sake. It's amazing he's top 10 with Amendola for only like 10 games and Gronk for just a few games.
• lhslep134

  

  Terry_Tate;1638951 wrote:
  Also, how the hell is Nick Foles not on that list?.

  He was 17th, I stopped at Dalton
  
  Also, Rodgers would have been much higher on the list had he not missed so many games.
• BR1986FB

  Heretic;1638950 wrote:Well, like has been said before, he came off as intelligent and well-spoken when talking about the Mark Cuban thing.
  
  Intelligent and well-spoken. That shit don't fly on a show like First Take, so he had to derp it up to give that show's fanbase something they can mentally process, since thoughtful and articulate is a few miles above that group's collective head.

  I wonder if Skip Bayless photobombed him when he was spewing his drivel? That would be the cherry on the sundae.
• BR1986FB

  lhslep134;1638952 wrote:He was 17th, I stopped at Dalton

  I thought Weeden was 17th?
• Terry_Tate

  

  lhslep134;1638952 wrote:He was 17th, I stopped at Dalton
  
  Also, Rodgers would have been much higher on the list had he not missed so many games.

  Wow, no idea how Foles is only 17th. I know you said that it's based on play by play and that's a list for the whole year, but the dude only threw 2 interceptions to 27 TDs. PFF knows their shit, but Foles at 17 is ridiculous with McCown being at 9(which I don't have an issue with, he was baller). And you know I love advanced stats so don't think I'm hating, just hard to fathom that, lol.
• lhslep134

  

  Terry_Tate;1638956 wrote:Wow, no idea how Foles is only 17th. I know you said that it's based on play by play and that's a list for the whole year, but the dude only threw 2 interceptions to 27 TDs. PFF knows their shit, but Foles at 17 is ridiculous with McCown being at 9(which I don't have an issue with, he was baller). And you know I love advanced stats so don't think I'm hating, just hard to fathom that, lol.

  Right, right. I know you're an advanced metrics advocate.
  
  I think it may be due to the difficulty of the plays? I know Chip tried to make it as easy as possible for Foles to succeed. I don't know their specific grading criteria.
  
  Edit: Foles had a -7.3 rating against Dallas in week 7 that crippled his cumulative score (11/29 that day)
• Terry_Tate

  

  lhslep134;1638960 wrote:Right, right. I know you're an advanced metrics advocate.
  
  I think it may be due to the difficulty of the plays? I know Chip tried to make it as easy as possible for Foles to succeed. I don't know their specific grading criteria.
  
  Edit: Foles had a -7.3 rating against Dallas in week 7 that crippled his cumulative score (11/29 that day)

  Damn, that's a rough day if it hurt him that much. Would just think a guy who only threw 2 INTs over a half a year and had something like a 64% completion percentage would be a lot higher than that if they are emphasizing making the right play. Don't know if they think he could have been better or if the plays were just that "easy" to make, like you said. Can't imagine the numbers Tannehill would have put up for Philly last year.
• Ironman92

  

  sleeper;1638910 wrote:1. Manning
  2. Rodgers
  3. Brady
  4. Brees
  5. Wilson
  6. B. Rapist
  7. Stafford
  8. E. Manning
  9. Dalton
  10. A. Smith

  I hate Philip Rivers as much as any NFL player.....but where the hell is he?
• lhslep134

  

  Lol. Trust me, I was shocked to see Tannehill at 5 too. But I've trusted PFF for a couple years now, so it's one of those "who woulda thunk type things."
  
  I mean if Brady has a normal year (crazy how last year was "substandard" for him, and he was still good), Rodgers doesn't get hurt, Cutler doesn't get hurt, etc. Tannehill isn't 5th.
• like_that

  

  SportsAndLady;1638945 wrote:I will discredit any ranking system that had Tannehill as a top 5 QB. Period. I don't care that I only watched about 16 quarters of Tannehill games, or that these guys are paid to watch every throw blah blah blah. I have a brain, which is all you need to determine Tannehill is juuuuust outside the top 5 lmao

  He may not be a top 5 QB, but if I had the choice between dalton or tannehill on the bengals roster, i would easily take tannehill. The notion that Dalton is a top 10 QB just brings the lulz. Maybe he can mold into a top 10 QB, but based on his previous seasons, he sure as hell is not a top 10 QB.
• Rotinaj

  

  Life is hard throwing the ball up to AJ Green 40% of the time. Stop being mean to him.
• sleeper

  

  Ironman92;1638965 wrote:I hate Philip Rivers as much as any NFL player.....but where the hell is he?

  He sucks. Probably on a top 41 list.
• BR1986FB

  Rotinaj;1638978 wrote:Life is hard throwing the ball up to AJ Green 40% of the time. Stop being mean to him.

  This brings back memories of when Haden got lost guarding Green and Dalton just threw the ball up for grabs, Haden lost the ball and Green just outjumped everyone for it. Green bails Dalton's ass out a lot.
• Ironman92

  

  Dalton had 22 incompletions and 2 picks on just 6.8 yards per attempt....at home in the playoffs
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1638989 wrote:This brings back memories of when Haden got lost guarding Green and Dalton just threw the ball up for grabs, Haden lost the ball and Green just outjumped everyone for it. Green bails Dalton's ass out a lot.

  Exactly. Take Green out of the game (which isn't easy obviously), and Dalton is average at best.
• lhslep134

  

  like_that;1639001 wrote:Exactly. Take Green out of the game (which isn't easy obviously), and Dalton is average at best.

  Which....gasp.....PFF showed. But PFF is worthless.... :rolleyes:
• like_that

  

  lhslep134;1639003 wrote:Which....gasp.....PFF showed. But PFF is worthless.... :rolleyes:

  
  PFF is legit. Most legit football source at there IMO. It's hard to believe Tannehill is actually top 5 worthy lol, but I would definitely take him over Dalton. Tannehill would do much better with that roster than Dalton.
  
  Also, for the few real Bengals fans here, I am not really familiar with the Bengals cap situation, but how are they going to be able to sign Burfict and Green if Mike Brown thinks Dalton deserves Flacco money (or more)?
• lhslep134

  

  like_that;1639005 wrote:PFF is legit. Most legit football source at there IMO. It's hard to believe Tannehill is actually top 5 worthy lol, but I would definitely take him over Dalton

  Like I said. I didn't watch Tannehill last year and if a couple other QBs don't get injured or have a "down" year, Tannehill finishes around 9 or 10, which is much more commensurate with how the experts talk about him.
  
  I would rather have him than Dalton too.
• KB0938

  Azubuike24;1638866 wrote:Also, Matt Ryan career rating of 90.1 and Matt Stafford career rating of 83.1. I'm not supporting a big extension for Dalton, but if I'm representing him or in his camp, I can see the justification. All of those other guys I named, Stafford, Ryan and Cutler all got paid BIG.

  Matt Ryan Matt Stafford>Andy Dalton
• KB0938

  And this is why advance stats cant be used as an end all be all(IMO)...Tannehill is in no way shape or form a top 5 QB in the NFL. He may get looked over because his team wasnt the greatest and what have you. But a top 5 QB in the NFL?
• lhslep134

  

  KB0938;1639054 wrote:And this is why advance stats cant be used as an end all be all(IMO)...Tannehill is in no way shape or form a top 5 QB in the NFL. He may get looked over because his team wasnt the greatest and what have you. But a top 5 QB in the NFL?

  PFF's ratings aren't advanced metrics. They're just grades based on performance, and thus somewhat inherently subjective.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Without looking into advanced stats, Dalton is probably around the 22nd QB in the league IMO. Love that he's on the bungals, bc he sucks ass.
  
  QBs I'd rather have on gameday:
  
  Rodgers
  Manning(s)
  Brady
  Brees
  Rapistfucker
  Failco
  Wilson
  Tannefail
  Luck
  Smith
  Palmer
  Rivers
  Newton
  RG3
  Mallett
  Cutler
  Stafford
  Kapernick
  Glennon
  Locker
  Foles
  Ryan
  Romo
  
  lol please lock him up Mike Brown.
  
  Top 10? LMFAO