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  • SportsAndLady
    Locker over Dalton? Cmon
  • Commander of Awesome
    SportsAndLady;1639066 wrote:Locker over Dalton? Cmon
    I'd much rather have locker. Least he has the physical tools, dalton is just a bum. Bailed out by Green like Bradshaw. He brings nothing to the table. Bengals should have been competing for an AFC championship, and weren't bc Dalton sucks ass. I didn't even list Rookies I'd rather have long term in the NFL. I just listed QBs to play a TODAY I'd rather have.
  • Terry_Tate
    Carson Palmer and Jake Locker? LOL. And Ryan Mallett? I'm a Dalton hater but those are ridiculous. Brian Hoyer would be a better choice than any of those 3. Take them off and add Hoyer, Foles, and Matt Ryan then it looks alright.
  • Iliketurtles
    Terry_Tate;1639072 wrote:Carson Palmer and Jake Locker? LOL. And Ryan Mallett? I'm a Dalton hater but those are ridiculous. Brian Hoyer would be a better choice than any of those 3. Take them off and add Hoyer, Foles, and Matt Ryan then it looks alright.
    Lol yeah Mallet being there is absolutely laughable. No way I take Glennon or Locker over Dalton either. But I would add Ryan, Romo, and probably Foles and Hoyer too.
  • Commander of Awesome
    Terry_Tate;1639072 wrote:Carson Palmer and Jake Locker? LOL. And Ryan Mallett? I'm a Dalton hater but those are ridiculous. Brian Hoyer would be a better choice than any of those 3. Take them off and add Hoyer, Foles, and Matt Ryan then it looks alright.
    I'm not sure on Hoyer. Foles and Ryan are a definite. Thanks, I'll edit.
  • Commander of Awesome
    Mallet has talent. Dalton has none. Thus I'd rather have Mallet.
  • Mulva
    I would rather have Locker over Dalton if he could stay healthy. But he can't. The other guys questioned are bums, but Dalton is still probably somewhere in the 18-20 range of NFL QB's, in my opinion.

    If your best reasoning for giving a guy mega bucks is "we could do worse", then something is seriously wrong.
  • KB0938
    http://grantland.com/features/the-2014-all-bad-nfl-contracts-team/



    "Flacco will have a cap hit of — shield your children’s eyes — $28.6 million. In 2017," LOLLLLLLL
  • Azubuike24
    Mulva;1639092 wrote:I would rather have Locker over Dalton if he could stay healthy. But he can't. The other guys questioned are bums, but Dalton is still probably somewhere in the 18-20 range of NFL QB's, in my opinion.

    If your best reasoning for giving a guy mega bucks is "we could do worse", then something is seriously wrong.
    It's a big move to take a playoff team and start over with a new QB. Especially for a fragile franchise like Cincinnati that has really only become a legitimately stable franchise in the last decade. It would need to be an absolute can't miss prospect, and one they would likely have to draft outside of the top 20 (or significantly pay to trade up). You then look at the success of guys drafted in that range (many have been mentioned in this thread...Locker, Tannehill, Ponder) and realize it's probably not worth completely giving up 2 years (the year before AND rookie year) to do so. Their chances of Dalton just becoming 10-20% better is much greater, and hence, why it's such a precarious position. It's one that about 25% of NFL franchises are currently stuck in...because the QB is such an important factor in winning.
  • Azubuike24
    It's also why the situation the Colts found themselves in getting Andrew Luck was so freaking fortunate. A consistent contender, with high fan support, times their terrible season perfectly and doesn't miss anything in-terms of contention. A single happening like that dictates 15+ years of a franchise's history.
  • like_that
    Azubuike24;1639217 wrote:It's a big move to take a playoff team and start over with a new QB. Especially for a fragile franchise like Cincinnati that has really only become a legitimately stable franchise in the last decade. It would need to be an absolute can't miss prospect, and one they would likely have to draft outside of the top 20 (or significantly pay to trade up). You then look at the success of guys drafted in that range (many have been mentioned in this thread...Locker, Tannehill, Ponder) and realize it's probably not worth completely giving up 2 years (the year before AND rookie year) to do so. Their chances of Dalton just becoming 10-20% better is much greater, and hence, why it's such a precarious position. It's one that about 25% of NFL franchises are currently stuck in...because the QB is such an important factor in winning.
    Nobody is arguing that it is a difficult decision, but this still doesn't mean Dalton is a top 10 QB LOL.
  • Azubuike24
    The exact number you rank him, top 8, top 10, top 12, top 16, isn't relevant. The whole argument was brought up (by me) to illustrate the rationale behind teams not just up and replacing a guy who has seemingly not been quite good enough. It would make the most sense that the QB's ranked anywhere from say 9-18 would generally be guys you put in this category of "good enough to not make you terrible but questionable whether they can win it all."

    The argument can be made on either side, and despite me NOT wanting Cincy to pay Dalton much until he proves something, his camp can look at every other possible comparison in the NFL (looking at numbers over 3 years) and show every one of those guys got paid big.
  • friendfromlowry
    I'm asking this out of curiosity as I'm too lazy to look up the who, what, when, and where details. Isn't comparing Josh Gordon's suspension vs. Ray Rice different in that Gordon has been busted multiple times, where as this has been Rice's one and only (and hopefully last) instance. Gordon wasn't caught just once and is now facing a potential year long ban, right? It's because he's been busted repeatedly that he's now facing it. If Rice was caught beating his wife three times, then he'd probably be facing a comparable ban as well. Like I said, not asking rhetorically trying to stir anything up.
  • like_that
    friendfromlowry;1639653 wrote:I'm asking this out of curiosity as I'm too lazy to look up the who, what, when, and where details. Isn't comparing Josh Gordon's suspension vs. Ray Rice different in that Gordon has been busted multiple times, where as this has been Rice's one and only (and hopefully last) instance. Gordon wasn't caught just once and is now facing a potential year long ban, right? It's because he's been busted repeatedly that he's now facing it. If Rice was caught beating his wife three times, then he'd probably be facing a comparable ban as well. Like I said, not asking rhetorically trying to stir anything up.
    Uhhh pretty sure knocking your wife out cold should be considered worse than smoking weed a few times. Also Gordon missed his test, he didn't fail it.
  • SportsAndLady
    friendfromlowry;1639653 wrote:I'm asking this out of curiosity as I'm too lazy to look up the who, what, when, and where details. Isn't comparing Josh Gordon's suspension vs. Ray Rice different in that Gordon has been busted multiple times, where as this has been Rice's one and only (and hopefully last) instance. Gordon wasn't caught just once and is now facing a potential year long ban, right? It's because he's been busted repeatedly that he's now facing it. If Rice was caught beating his wife three times, then he'd probably be facing a comparable ban as well. Like I said, not asking rhetorically trying to stir anything up.
    I know what you are saying but you're comparing two actions that are on different levels.

    Yes josh Gordon is an idiot who has repeatedly fucked up despite given multiple chances. But he can pass 10 drug tests for marijuana and that wouldn't compare to knocking your fiancé out just once.
  • friendfromlowry
    like_that;1639654 wrote:Uhhh pretty sure knocking your wife out cold should be considered worse than smoking weed a few times. Also Gordon missed his test, he didn't fail it.
    I didn't say one was/wasn't worse than the other. I agree abuse is way worse and Rice's suspension was underwhelming to say the least. I'm just trying to find some type of rationalization for the way the NFL does things.

    Edit in response to S&L -- I'm not comparing one being worse than the other. Yes beating your wife is a hundred times worse than smoking something that's actually becoming more and more legal in the country. I was just wondering out loud that because Gordon missed or failed or whatever a test several times vs. Rice has only done his crime once.
  • Ironman92
    like_that;1639654 wrote:Uhhh pretty sure knocking your wife out cold should be considered worse than smoking weed a few times. Also Gordon missed his test, he didn't fail it.
    Why did he miss it?
  • like_that
    Ironman92;1639660 wrote:Why did he miss it?
    He was in town apparently.
  • thavoice
    When we have our random drug tests there always seems to be 1-2 people who are mysteriously missing for no reason. It is supposed to be a secret and I never find out ahead of time, but there are ways to be absent and miss it as they get tipped off.

    There is a reason he missed it as it would be easier to fight "missing" a test than it would be failing a test even if the contract language states a missed test will be considered a failed test.
  • Dr. KnOiTaLL
  • IggyPride00
    Dr. KnOiTaLL;1639739 wrote:
    Maybe if he focused a little more on football and a little less on being goofey he would have more than one Super Bowl title right now.

    You'd think the Seahawks beatdown might have humbled him a bit and made him want it just a little more. Clearly had the opposite effect.
  • Automatik
    Someone please ban this miserable fuck.
  • vball10set
    IggyPride00;1639747 wrote:Maybe if he focused a little more on football and a little less on being goofey he would have more than one Super Bowl title right now.

    You'd think the Seahawks beatdown might have humbled him a bit and made him want it just a little more. Clearly had the opposite effect.
    lol, you're bi-polar, amirite?
  • vball10set
    Automatik;1639748 wrote:Someone please ban this miserable fuck.
    IMO he wants to see how far he can go, but the mods aren't taking the bait...yet.
  • IggyPride00
    vball10set;1639751 wrote:IMO he wants to see how far he can go, but the mods aren't taking the bait...yet.

    I am the furthest thing from a troll on this board. I just tell the truth about things, and some people seemingly have a hard time with that.