Michael Sam announces he is gay.

• ernest_t_bass

  

  Heretic;1579981 wrote:Uhhh, did this become the point where you realized your argument is based on fallacies and personal belief systems such as religion which aren't grounded in logic and decide it's time to just take things way off the tracks?
  
  I mean, as far as hetero sex goes, I've done that with and without and definitely prefer the sensation of without. But I'd also prefer not getting a disease or hearing that I'm going to be a father. And so I consider it worth it to sacrifice a bit of good, rubby, frictiony enjoyment to not deal with those hassles.

  Hey moran, it was a joke!
• ernest_t_bass

  

  Heretic;1579983 wrote:Michael Sam apparently has the belief that he's gay and that's okay. And yet that seemed to bother you enough to state that you wouldn't be supportive of that as a father and discuss that statement at length. Why do you even give a fuck? Honest question?

  Someone stated that they don't understand why his father didn't support him, to which I said, "I'd love unconditionally, but not support," as many were more than likely confusing love with support.
  
  If people want to be gay, that is completely OK with me, seriously. Go be gay. But why do I have to support you?
• I Wear Pants

  ernest_t_bass;1579987 wrote:Someone stated that they don't understand why his father didn't support him, to which I said, "I'd love unconditionally, but not support," as many were more than likely confusing love with support.
  
  If people want to be gay, that is completely OK with me, seriously. Go be gay. But why do I have to support you?

  Why wouldn't you? I don't like meatloaf but lots of other people do. I don't feel the need to state "I'd still love my son but I would not support his preference for meatloaf" for that because it's ridiculous. I don't understand liking meatloaf because it isn't in my experience, but that doesn't make me anti-meatloaf or unsupportive of people who like meatloaf. You don't understand being sexually attracted to men which makes it maybe a confusing/uncomfortable/hard concept to grasp for you because it's not something you've experienced or will experience. I don't understand why that means you have to be unsupportive of people who do have that preference/experience.
  

  ernest_t_bass;1579976 wrote:Yeah, but have you ever had gay butt sex without a condom?

  Nope.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  I Wear Pants;1579988 wrote:Why wouldn't you? I don't like meatloaf but lots of other people do. I don't feel the need to state "I'd still love my son but I would not support his preference for meatloaf" for that because it's ridiculous.
  
  Nope.

  Use biblical references, not meatloaf, b/c that is what I'm basing my ill-support on.
  
  Would you support your adulterous son, if you knew he was committing adultery, yet his wife did not? You'd love him... but would you support his actions and decisions?
• I Wear Pants

  ernest_t_bass;1579991 wrote:Use biblical references, not meatloaf, b/c that is what I'm basing my ill-support on.
  
  Would you support your adulterous son, if you knew he was committing adultery, yet his wife did not? You'd love him... but would you support his actions and decisions?

  Adultery is not similar to being gay. Yet another bad example.
• OSH

  

  I Wear Pants;1579969 wrote:We treat obesity as something undesireable because it has causes health issues. Not because it is abnormal.

  I do not believe "health issues" is the primary reason why obesity is looked at as "undesirable."
  
  Like many other things, what people want to do with their body is up to them. Smoking, obsessive drinking, drugs, etc. are all up to the individual. It is up to the individual on how they treat their body. When I see someone that is obese, I understand that it can cause health issues, but it is also abnormal to let someone's body get THAT big. It's a hindrance. Call it "lookism." Call it unattractiveness. Whatever you want to label it, it's not something that I desire -- and it's not really regarding health.
  
  Maybe I am in the minority here, but I don't view obesity as being undesirable due to health issues. If that were the case, there are many things I'd stay away from (or others would too): alcohol, cigarettes, motor vehicles, tanning beds, etc.
• OSH

  

  I Wear Pants;1579994 wrote:Adultery is not similar to being gay. Yet another bad example.

  You have negated every example without any reasoning. If you don't like them, why not give a reasoning on why it is a bad example?
  
  I have understood every single example given on the whole "support v. love" topic throughout this thread, they make sense to me. That includes your pizza v. cheeseburger one -- which, made it seem like you were saying homosexuality is a choice since liking pizza/cheeseburgers is a choice.
• I Wear Pants

  OSH;1580002 wrote:You have negated every example without any reasoning. If you don't like them, why not give a reasoning on why it is a bad example?
  
  I have understood every single example given on the whole "support v. love" topic throughout this thread, they make sense to me. That includes your pizza v. cheeseburger one -- which, made it seem like you were saying homosexuality is a choice since liking pizza/cheeseburgers is a choice.

  I don't think that homosexuality is a choice but I don't think it changes anything if it were. I don't think arguments against homosexuality are strengthened at all if it's a choice vs if it's something hereditary.
  
  Do I really need to explain why cheating on your husband/wife is not similar to being attracted to someone of the same gender?
• Con_Alma

  I Wear Pants;1580009 wrote:I don't think that homosexuality is a choice but I don't think it changes anything if it were....

  Agreed...that agreement coming from a social conservative.
• I Wear Pants

  Probably already been posted in this thread but whatever:
  
• ernest_t_bass

  

  I Wear Pants;1579994 wrote:Adultery is not similar to being gay. Yet another bad example.

  "Sin" vs. "sin."
• I Wear Pants

  ernest_t_bass;1580023 wrote:"Sin" vs. "sin."

  I was trying to have a discussion as to why something should/shouldn't be viewed/treated negatively and it appears that you're trying to have a discussion based upon a set of things that should be viewed negatively because a book says they should and not because there's any rational to it. This probably won't be fruitful then.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  I Wear Pants;1580036 wrote:I was trying to have a discussion as to why something should/shouldn't be viewed/treated negatively and it appears that you're trying to have a discussion based upon a set of things that should be viewed negatively because a book says they should and not because there's any rational to it. This probably won't be fruitful then.

  K.
• Pick6

  

  saw a deadspin article today that a former nebraska player was openly gay and got along with his teammates. he never had some special announcement..whaddyaknow.
  
  
  Like I said- the announcement is all for attention and a win/win situation for Sam. Pretty brilliant actually.
• I Wear Pants

  Pick6;1580066 wrote:saw a deadspin article today that a former nebraska player was openly gay and got along with his teammates. he never had some special announcement..whaddyaknow.
  
  
  Like I said- the announcement is all for attention and a win/win situation for Sam. Pretty brilliant actually.

  So anytime someone moderately famous mentions they're gay it's only for attention? Do you think the same anytime they mention a girlfriend or wife or something indicative of being straight?
• Ironman92

  

  This thread is fucking terrible.
• pmoney25

  

  Pick6;1580066 wrote:saw a deadspin article today that a former nebraska player was openly gay and got along with his teammates. he never had some special announcement..whaddyaknow.
  
  
  Like I said- the announcement is all for attention and a win/win situation for Sam. Pretty brilliant actually.

  Was this Nebraska player a potential NFL player who was going to be outed/questioned during his draft preparation. If the answer is no or you don't know, then what you said means nothing. Congtats
• ernest_t_bass

  

  I Wear Pants;1580076 wrote:So anytime someone moderately famous mentions they're gay it's only for attention? Do you think the same anytime they mention a girlfriend or wife or something indicative of being straight?

  Who gives a shit.
• Pick6

  

  pmoney25;1580104 wrote:Was this Nebraska player a potential NFL player who was going to be outed/questioned during his draft preparation. If the answer is no or you don't know, then what you said means nothing. Congtats

  so being an openly gay player on one of the best programs in college football history means nothing all of the sudden? Got it.
• pmoney25

  

  Pick6;1580107 wrote:so being an openly gay player on one of the best programs in college football history means nothing all of the sudden? Got it.

  From what I've read, he did this so he could announce it himself instead of rumors floating around or someone else breaking the story during his preparation for the draft.
  
  I'm sure the attention means more to him than possibly not being drafted or being ostracized from the NFL.
  
  The good news is he will probably be drafted by a good team with good leadership and can handle some attention.
• WebFire

  I Wear Pants;1580076 wrote:So anytime someone moderately famous mentions they're gay it's only for attention? Do you think the same anytime they mention a girlfriend or wife or something indicative of being straight?

  So Sam just mentioned it to someone? Lol
• rrfan

  

  The last 10 SEC Defensive players of the year have been 1st round draft picks except one and that was a second rounder. All the talk is of him being 4th and 5th rounder. Honest question why is that? I have to admit I only saw about 2 games of Mizzo this year. I am guessing his size is an issue that he may be a tweener. However, with this now he may go undrafted...
• I Wear Pants

  WebFire;1580145 wrote:So Sam just mentioned it to someone? Lol

  The point is that even if he did just mention it when talking to a reporter or whoever that it would have blown up into a big story. He's decided he doesn't feel like hiding the fact that he's gay so he went ahead and made an announcement to get it over with. I don't see why you have an issue with that unless your position is that gay people should just never talk about or acknowledge that they are gay.
• WebFire

  I Wear Pants;1580329 wrote:The point is that even if he did just mention it when talking to a reporter or whoever that it would have blown up into a big story. He's decided he doesn't feel like hiding the fact that he's gay so he went ahead and made an announcement to get it over with. I don't see why you have an issue with that unless your position is that gay people should just never talk about or acknowledge that they are gay.

  I think they should talk about and acknowledge it just as much as heterosexuals do.
• lhslep134

  

  WebFire;1580330 wrote:I think they should talk about and acknowledge it just as much as heterosexuals do.

  Except being a heterosexual is completely distinguishable in the context of this conversation because heterosexuals haven't been persecuted and aren't victims of bigotry because of their sexual preference. Add in the context of a professional football locker room and you're even more wrong.
  
  Nice analogy fail. In fact, every single heterosexual comment you've made on this thread has been an analogy fail. You're either pretending to be, or are, completely ignorant to the persecution the GLBT community has faced and how talking about their sexual preference is extremely distinguishable from a heterosexual talking about the same topic.
  
  Like I said 150 posts ago, GTFO webbie.