MLB off season---2013-2014 Hot Stove

• Azubuike24

  

  I take it back, the Rangers lose 21, the Reds get what would be 33 now.
• HitsRus

  

  Choo relies on speed?

  
  20 + stolen bases every year since 2009 (except for one year where his season was cut short by injury)....so yeah....speed is part of his game.
• Ironman92

  

  HitsRus;1556431 wrote:20 + stolen bases every year since 2009 (except for one year where his season was cut short by injury)....so yeah....speed is part of his game.

  Not in the boat with Ellsbury
  
  Like saying Sammy Sosa and Craig Biggio both relied on their power.
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^okay...Is he hitting .320? ....does he hit 30+ HRs?... knocking in 130?
• HitsRus

  

  Choo's deal ranked the 3rd worst deal in baseball history...
  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1897708-shin-soo-choo-and-10-worst-mlb-contracts-of-last-ten-years
  
  LOL at the Rangers, who just can't seem to help getting screwed by Scott Boras.:huh:
• Azubuike24

  

  Actually disagree with a few of those.
  
  Jayson Werth, not worth the money, but will be productive the whole contract. Rodriguez and Pujols, while crazy money, were THE BEST at the time. Same with Santana. Brian Roberts and Adam Dunn are too short and low on total to be considered.
  
  Barry Zito, Vernon Wells and Ryan Howard I can agree with. You also have to look at deals that have crippled smaller market teams.
  
  Mike Hampton's deal with the Rockies was horrible. B.J. Upton's contract with the Braves is also terrible. Alfonso Soriano, 8 year/136M with the Cubs. Mark Teixiera?
• Ironman92

  

  HitsRus;1556442 wrote:^^^okay...Is he hitting .320? ....does he hit 30+ HRs?... knocking in 130?

  I don't know where you are going with this. No he does not...so therefore, he is not worth that contract.
  
  My post was to just say Choo's game does not rely on speed. I watched him all season and he had 20 SB and 11 CS....so he added 9 extra bases this year. He might be slightly above average in speed. He's never even been top 10 in his league in SB.
  
  Choo's game if anything, relies on OB%.....but is solid in many other facets of the game. He's a good all-around ball player.
  
  Ellsbury stole 50 and was caught 4 times....has lead the league 3x (52,70, 50)....his game way more relies on speed as his SB, OF play, triples, taking the extra base is quite reliant on his 30 year old legs.
  
  Both are good all-around players but I like what Ellsbury can do more than what Choo can do.
  
  Both contracts are too much.
• HitsRus

  

  I think we are just disagreeing on the meaning of word 'rely'.... Since he's not an overpowering player in any one category, his better than average speed makes him a better than average player. He uses that in his defense as well as his offensive productivity.. My point is that as he ages over that 7 year contract, that asset will diminish rapidly which will affect all facets of his game.....moreso than a Pujols or Miggie Cabrera kind of player.
• Ironman92

  

  HitsRus;1556516 wrote:I think we are just disagreeing on the meaning of word 'rely'.... Since he's not an overpowering player in any one category, his better than average speed makes him a better than average player. He uses that in his defense as well as his offensive productivity.. My point is that as he ages over that 7 year contract, that asset will diminish rapidly which will affect all facets of his game.....moreso than a Pujols or Miggie Cabrera kind of player.

  Yeah....let's move on. Lol
• HitsRus

  

  http://www.latinopost.com/articles/2487/20131226/mlb-mlb-free-agents-mlb-free-agents-2014-new-york-yankees-new-york-yankees-trade-rumors-chicago-cubs-la-dodgers-los-angeles-dodgers-masahiro-tanaka.htm
  
  Masahiro Tanaka is officially available. The Yankees are said to be the favorite, but at least 2 other teams will be in the mix for his services.
  
  Tanaka is considered the falling domino that will trigger the rest of the free agent pitching signings....once he's signed you can count on the bidding to begin for the others (Santana, Jimenez etc.)
• Ironman92

  

  Puig arrested in Florida for driving 110 mph......
  
  Possible DUI but Twitter is all over the place
  
  
  
  This might be the least surprising news ever.
• Ironman92

  

  No DUI but second time ticketed going 97+ within a year.
  
  He's in Collier County jail lol
• Classyposter58

  

  HitsRus;1556516 wrote:I think we are just disagreeing on the meaning of word 'rely'.... Since he's not an overpowering player in any one category, his better than average speed makes him a better than average player. He uses that in his defense as well as his offensive productivity.. My point is that as he ages over that 7 year contract, that asset will diminish rapidly which will affect all facets of his game.....moreso than a Pujols or Miggie Cabrera kind of player.

  Pujols has been declining since the end of 2010 though, in 2011 his OBP dropped from .411 to .366, after years of hovering well above .400 and he has continued a linear decline since. I think that's the general thing however, Choo relies on a great OBP and it most certainly will begin to decline within the next few years, unless he can defy age the way Torii does
• thavoice

  Ironman92;1558361 wrote:Puig arrested in Florida for driving 110 mph......
  
  Possible DUI but Twitter is all over the place
  
  
  
  This might be the least surprising news ever.

  Eh. Speeding is speeding. 110 is fast...but if you are a wide open highway and have a car that can do that and there isnt much traffic.
  
  To me speeding tickets are not a big deal. It is just bad luck..wrong place at the wrong time.
• Ironman92

  

  I wasn't saying it was a big deal.....no one could be surprised
• HitsRus

  

  Ubaldo jimenez reporetdly seeking $17-20 million/year contract according to a source close to the Blue jays who are very interested.....Yankees have also targeted UJ with or without signing Tanaka.
• Ironman92

  

  Here are the 17 HOF ballots by the ESPN guys.
• Rotinaj

  

  Ironman92;1563646 wrote:Here are the 17 HOF ballots by the ESPN guys.

  WHERE ARE THEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
• Ironman92

  

  Lol
• Ironman92

  

  http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=10231471
• Laley23

  

  A little surprised they gave The Big Hurt 17/17 votes
• Ironman92

  

  Laley23;1563679 wrote:A little surprised they gave The Big Hurt 17/17 votes

  Me too.....and Edgar is not even close.
  
  Sucks for Tim Raines that he played the same time as Rickey.
• Ironman92

  

  Also surprised Bonds and Clemens either get it or don't....everyone that votes one votes the other....both clearly cheated but it saved Clemens career.....Bonds already had 400/400 and 3 MVP's
  
  I completely believe without steroids Bonds makes it easily....without steroids Clemens may not make it to 200 wins and falls short of 3,000 K. IMO only Sammy Sosa benefitted more from steroids than Clemens.
• wildcats20

  

  Ironman92;1563683 wrote:Also surprised Bonds and Clemens either get it or don't....everyone that votes one votes the other....both clearly cheated but it saved Clemens career.....Bonds already had 400/400 and 3 MVP's
  
  I completely believe without steroids Bonds makes it easily....without steroids Clemens may not make it to 200 wins and falls short of 3,000 K. IMO only Sammy Sosa benefitted more from steroids than Clemens.

  It would be very hypocritical to vote for one and not the other.
• Sonofanump

  Is Piazza confirmed or alleged steroids?
  Jack Morris belongs.