2013/14 NBA season chatter - let the LBJ hating begin!
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KB0938
So you want me to tell you hes good enough for a few minutes because they have nobody else, but he doesnt do much of anything lol?robj55;1619972 wrote:Okay so we can attribute that to coaching, the players around him, etc. Don't tell me he was good enough for the Mav's rotation but he wasn't good enough for this Pacers team, just makes no sense.
Either way, hes not quality depth which is what was being talked about. -
robj55
I call those guys selfish and shot jackers, because they are, but also because I expect more from them as they are capable of much more imo. -
robj55
Dallas and his championship ring disagree, but those don't mean as much as your word though.KB0938;1619976 wrote:So you want me to tell you hes good enough for a few minutes because they have nobody else, but he doesnt do much of anything lol?
Either way, hes not quality depth which is what was being talked about. -
KB0938
Lol Westbrook and Rose arent shooters. And you're right, those players are more talented than ET.....which is why I said ET is average. You cant defend him and say hes more than average and has numbers on par with some all stars, and then say well....hes not as talented as stars. Cant be both waysrobj55;1619975 wrote:All those guys are more talented than ET, and he's not a shooter, nice try though. And yes having accountability is something winners do, sorry you can't grasp that. -
KB0938
How does 9 minutes a game, 3 years ago correlate to being worth shit on the pacers now?robj55;1619979 wrote:Dallas and his championship ring disagree, but those don't mean as much as your word though. -
robj55
They both shoot it better than Turner does, ET is an inconsistent mid range shooter at best. Oh I get it, so according to you if you don't have superstar all star level talent you are average, that makes sense. I said he can be a borderline all star player, not an every year all star lock superstar.KB0938;1619980 wrote:Lol Westbrook and Rose arent shooters. And you're right, those players are more talented than ET.....which is why I said ET is average. You cant defend him and say hes more than average and has numbers on par with some all stars, and then say well....hes not as talented as stars. Cant be both ways -
robj55
Did he or did he not contribute to them winning a title? That's all that needs to be said about it.KB0938;1619981 wrote:How does 9 minutes a game, 3 years ago correlate to being worth shit on the pacers now? -
robj55
You keep saying he will never live up to where he was picked, have you seen the other number two picks of recent memory? MKG, Derrick Williams, Hasheem Thabeet, Michael Beasley, Marvin Williams, Emeka Okafor, Darko, Jay Williams, Stromile Swift. The only ones he won't live up to at that pick are Durant and Aldridge.
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KB0938
Lol so if Indiana wins it all this year, would that mean Rasoul Butler is valuable depth on someone elses team next year because he happened to be on the court?GTFOH.robj55;1619985 wrote:Did he or did he not contribute to them winning a title? That's all that needs to be said about it. -
KB0938
And Id say most of them were average at best, or not even that. Same as Turner. But based on who was picked behind him, he'll never live up to being drafted #2 in that draft class.robj55;1619986 wrote:You keep saying he will never live up to where he was picked, have you seen the other number two picks of recent memory? MKG, Derrick Williams, Hasheem Thabeet, Michael Beasley, Marvin Williams, Emeka Okafor, Darko, Jay Williams, Stromile Swift. The only ones he won't live up to at that pick are Durant and Aldridge.
I argued with you numerous times on how Darko was a bust, but you didnt think so for some reason. And according to you, Jay Williams cant be a disappointment because he as injured right? -
Mulva
Yeah, Mahinmi is not good.KB0938;1619967 wrote:Hes playing double the minutes for the Pacers this year, and not doing a damn thing. Just because he played 9 minutes a game for a team that won a title 3 years ago doesnt mean hes worth shit now -
Azubuike24
If Evan Turner was worth a damn, he wouldn't have been traded and basically benched. He padded his stats on a bad Philly team that let him play more of a hybrid PG/SF role that he was used to. His numbers were only that high because he had the ball in his hands more and was needed to score. Nothing against ET, but there are 50 guys in the NBA who could've put up those numbers in the same situation. -
robj55
You have no concept of team at all, no understanding of it what so ever. One day you'll learn.KB0938;1619988 wrote:Lol so if Indiana wins it all this year, would that mean Rasoul Butler is valuable depth on someone elses team next year because he happened to be on the court?GTFOH. -
robj55
I never said Darko wasn't a bust ever, I said he had skills, which he did and does. He was never able to translate his game over here on a consistent basis, but if you ever actually watched him play instead of just reading a box score you would know that he had skills. Never said anything about Jay Williams being a disappointment because of injury, I included him in with guys who Turner is in like with as a number 2 overall pick, again nice reach though. Based on what we knew and saw going into that draft who should have been selected ahead of him? You act like he was some terrible reach and was over drafted, based on who was available and the year he was coming off of he should have been selected where he was or at 3, with Cousins going ahead of him.KB0938;1619989 wrote:And Id say most of them were average at best, or not even that. Same as Turner. But based on who was picked behind him, he'll never live up to being drafted #2 in that draft class.
I argued with you numerous times on how Darko was a bust, but you didnt think so for some reason. And according to you, Jay Williams cant be a disappointment because he as injured right? -
lhslep134
KB0938;1619988 wrote:Lol so if Indiana wins it all this year, would that mean Rasoul Butler is valuable depth on someone elses team next year because he happened to be on the court?GTFOH.robj55;1619992 wrote:You have no concept of team at all, no understanding of it what so ever. One day you'll learn.
Rob, KB's post was an accurate application of your Dallas/Mahinmi logic to the 2013/14 Pacers. If you think he's wrong, then you're calling yourself wrong and creating a completely circular point that doesn't really make sense. -
KB0938
Lol step off your soap box. A player who 3 years ago played 9 minutes a game and didnt do much of anything is now being counted as quality depth because of that ring. But if Rasoul Butler who plays sparingly for Indiana this year happened to win a title this year and went to a team next year, he wouldnt be counted as quality depth. You know why? Because he didnt do much, just happened to be on the court. Its not that I havent learned, its that you make no sense at all in what you're arguing.robj55;1619992 wrote:You have no concept of team at all, no understanding of it what so ever. One day you'll learn. -
lhslep134
And it's not like I'm disagreeing with you on everything you say, because I also think Spoelstra is a really good coach who doesn't get the credit he deserves.
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robj55
Yep, but they weren't in that situation so we can't say. Only 50? that means he is a top 50 player in the league so that is above average right? Perhaps he didn't gel with the Pacers, the system, the players, the coaches. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective, everyone knows that, so you can't use that against him to knock him when he had an opportunity and played his game.Azubuike24;1619991 wrote:If Evan Turner was worth a damn, he wouldn't have been traded and basically benched. He padded his stats on a bad Philly team that let him play more of a hybrid PG/SF role that he was used to. His numbers were only that high because he had the ball in his hands more and was needed to score. Nothing against ET, but there are 50 guys in the NBA who could've put up those numbers in the same situation. -
robj55
You're playing hypotheticals, I'm dealing in facts. Indy isn't going to win a ring now or ever so your point is irrelevant. You think coaches put players on the court just to be on the court, what fantasy land do you live in really? He just happened to be on the court, what a ridiculous statement. We are talking about a game which is 5 on 5, not 11 on 11 like football.KB0938;1619995 wrote:Lol step off your soap box. A player who 3 years ago played 9 minutes a game and didnt do much of anything is now being counted as quality depth because of that ring. But if Rasoul Butler who plays sparingly for Indiana this year happened to win a title this year and went to a team next year, he wouldnt be counted as quality depth. You know why? Because he didnt do much, just happened to be on the court. Its not that I havent learned, its that you make no sense at all in what you're arguing. -
robj55
Nope, NBA coaches don't coach, they manage. Just like NFL coaches and every other sport. The players coach themselves, the coaches don't even need to spend countless hours in the morning or at night to prepare the team.lhslep134;1619996 wrote:And it's not like I'm disagreeing with you on everything you say, because I also think Spoelstra is a really good coach who doesn't get the credit he deserves. -
KB0938
Its not a crazy Hypothetical lol it makes complete and total sense, you seem to be the only one here not getting it. You act like that because Mahimi was on the court for 9 minutes a game that hes like a double double waiting to happen of the bench. He was a body and not quality depth on Indianarobj55;1619998 wrote:You're playing hypotheticals, I'm dealing in facts. Indy isn't going to win a ring now or ever so your point is irrelevant. You think coaches put players on the court just to be on the court, what fantasy land do you live in really? He just happened to be on the court, what a ridiculous statement. We are talking about a game which is 5 on 5, not 11 on 11 like football. -
robj55
Not sure I understand that logic, maybe I'm reading too much into it. My point was that if he is good enough to contribute on a championship team then he can certainly be determined quality depth on a team that hasn't won shit. At what point does the system, the coaches and other players get blamed. Rick Carlisle found a use for him.lhslep134;1619994 wrote:Rob, KB's post was an accurate application of your Dallas/Mahinmi logic to the 2013/14 Pacers. If you think he's wrong, then you're calling yourself wrong and creating a completely circular point that doesn't really make sense. -
robj55
So because he doesn't get a double double he isn't quality depth, okay got it. You don't even take into account defense at all, or PRACTICE. Every player on the team is important, especially when it comes to practice and preparation. Remember what Riley said? 15 strong, but you know better than he right? lol Keep talking in hypotheticals though it gets you far.KB0938;1620002 wrote:Its not a crazy Hypothetical lol it makes complete and total sense, you seem to be the only one here not getting it. You act like that because Mahimi was on the court for 9 minutes a game that hes like a double double waiting to happen of the bench. He was a body and not quality depth on Indiana -
Azubuike24
I should've been more specific. 50 PG/SG/SF. Obviously most PF's and C's aren't going to play a role similar to ET. I'd say he's a borderline top 50 player, but then again, when ranking a player's value don't we have to weigh some of that on what the hell else they do besides "get their own?" He's in a perfect position on a team who is desperate for bench scoring and creating offense, yet hasn't really seen the floor. They are on the biggest stage against the B2B defending champs...and he's nowhere to be found. That's telling, and a big reason I wouldn't consider him that good.robj55;1619997 wrote:Yep, but they weren't in that situation so we can't say. Only 50? that means he is a top 50 player in the league so that is above average right? Perhaps he didn't gel with the Pacers, the system, the players, the coaches. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective, everyone knows that, so you can't use that against him to knock him when he had an opportunity and played his game. -
KB0938
LOL I give up, even when your own logic is used against you, you disagree with it. You're right Mahimi is quality depth because he has a ringrobj55;1620005 wrote:So because he doesn't get a double double he isn't quality depth, okay got it. You don't even take into account defense at all, or PRACTICE. Every player on the team is important, especially when it comes to practice and preparation. Remember what Riley said? 15 strong, but you know better than he right? lol Keep talking in hypotheticals though it gets you far.