2013/14 NBA season chatter - let the LBJ hating begin!

• robj55

  

  lhslep134;1629743 wrote:Because you DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE WATCHING. If the Heat give up a basket in the post that was a the result of Lebron's lazy rotation sideline screen or gets caught ball watching, you don't realize the play was a result of Lebron's lazy (and hence, "bad") defense.
  
  Considering the rests of your posts on the topic, you don't have a high level understanding of basketball.

  Wrong. I understand the game very well.
• KB0938

  robj55;1629736 wrote:He gets credit because he makes plays and defends at a high level against all positions. Those stats don't mean shit, everyone with vision can see Melo is a bad defender, which is a shame. They might have made the playoffs this year had he taken up enough pride to play at a high level on that end. It's not like he's incapable of doing so. I watched almost all of Lebron's games this year, there was no slippage in his defense.

  Advance stats dont really lie, theyre based of facts and what actually has happened. So idk how theyd be wrong or not mean anything really.
  
  And I do agree hes a better defender than Melo, but as far as not dropping off at all this year. Its been documented on more than 1 occasion that he slipped from his normal standard. Probably due to having to carry more of the load on offense, but still
• wildcats20

  

  robj55;1629745 wrote:Don't care about numbers when it comes to defense.

  But you use Wade's BPG as a way to say he's still a high level defender???
• robj55

  

  HighRoller74;1629738 wrote:Did you read the article?
  
  Lebron is putting pressure on the Miami FO to trade him for Blake Griffin?

  No, when I say make it happen I mean put the pieces around him. Should have been more thorough.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  robj55;1629747 wrote:Who else is there? Not a TT fan. Who is available that is reasonable?

  I'm a bigger TT fan than most but even I can see by now he's limited. I just don't see a good core with the Cavs. Too many players without true positions, no defense, and bunch of prima dona bitch boys. Not a single franchise player on the Cavs, definitely not a max player, but Kyrie will get paid like one.
• robj55

  

  wildcats20;1629753 wrote:But you use Wade's BPG as a way to say he's still a high level defender???

  BPG are measurable, they are a real stat. Defensive efficiency isn't. Many factors that can go into that. A block is a block at the end of the day.
• robj55

  

  Commander of Awesome;1629755 wrote:I'm a bigger TT fan than most but even I can see by now he's limited. I just don't see a good core with the Cavs. Too many players without true positions, no defense, and bunch of prima dona bitch boys.

  
  A leader like Lebron could change that instantly. Or if Blatt is as big of a disciplinarian as they say he is possibly he can.
• wildcats20

  

  robj55;1629756 wrote:BPG are measurable, they are a real stat. Defensive efficiency isn't. Many factors that can go into that. A block is a block at the end of the day.

  And the defensive stats for Bron decreased from last year to this.
  
  Defensive stats being blocks and steals.
• robj55

  

  KB0938;1629752 wrote:Advance stats dont really lie, theyre based of facts and what actually has happened. So idk how theyd be wrong or not mean anything really.
  
  And I do agree hes a better defender than Melo, but as far as not dropping off at all this year. Its been documented on more than 1 occasion that he slipped from his normal standard. Probably due to having to carry more of the load on offense, but still

  I watched the games, he was still as good and dynamic as ever. He has lapses where he might get beat backdoor once a game, but he has always had that.
• lhslep134

  

  robj55;1629736 wrote: I watched almost all of Lebron's games this year, there was no slippage in his defense.

  robj55;1629751 wrote:Wrong. I understand the game very well.

  These two posts are incompatible. If you understood the game, you'd have seen the slippage. If you don't, you wouldn't have seen it.
  
  It was a slippage in effort not talent. Slips in talent are discernible by anyone. Slips in effort are discernible by the knowledgeable.
• robj55

  

  wildcats20;1629758 wrote:And the defensive stats for Bron decreased from last year to this.
  
  Defensive stats being blocks and steals.

  Yes I know that. Doesn't mean that he wasn't elite still defensively.
• KB0938

  Blocks can be overrated just as much as any other stat.
  
  For example. When Marcus Camby was in Denver and was consistently one of the DPOY finalists or won it(07 or 08) he had great block numbers. But watching him play, for every weakside block hed get....hed go for one and leave his man open on the backside for an open layup. But that doesnt go in the books, just when he got a block. I used to hate watching him, he was so bad at team defense and our team got abused down low. But he got rebounds and blocks so he was DPOY candidate status
• Commander of Awesome

  

  robj55;1629757 wrote:A leader like Lebron could change that instantly. Or if Blatt is as big of a disciplinarian as they say he is possibly he can.

  No LBJ changes that bc he's the best player on the planet. He doesn't make Dion grow 3 inches, and Kyrie all of a sudden GAF about defense on his end of the floor. At the end of the day Kyrie/Dion is still undersized, we have Bennett who's a bum without a true position, TT who's undersized, Varejao who will play for 30 games this season and a bunch of bums. Looking at this draft, now that Embiid is made of glass, we have Wiggins who is a great athlete and solid defender but sucks ass on Offense (LITERALLY Can't go LEFT, how in the fuck is that even possible?), and a fat over weight chucker like Parker. Whoopee! None are franchise game changers. How is that exciting for LBJ?
• robj55

  

  lhslep134;1629760 wrote:These two posts are incompatible. If you understood the game, you'd have seen the slippage. If you don't, you wouldn't have seen it.

  I'll keep watching games and you keep reading advanced stats. Maybe I'm just old school like that. I don't get into those stats.
• robj55

  

  Commander of Awesome;1629763 wrote:No LBJ changes that bc he's the best player on the planet. He doesn't make Dion grow 3 inches, and Kyrie all of a sudden GAF about defense on his end of the floor. At the end of the day Kyrie/Dion is still undersized, we have Bennett who's a bum without a true position, TT who's undersized, Varejao who will play for 30 games this season and a bunch of bums.

  There roster is better than when Lebron left easily. Lebron would make them understand that defense is important especially if they want to win a title. You could put Lebron on any team and they are instantly in the second round imo, he would make all the difference.
• lhslep134

  

  robj55;1629764 wrote:I'll keep watching games and you keep reading advanced stats. Maybe I'm just old school like that. I don't get into those stats.

  Noting a slip in effort (or in your case, lackthereof) has nothing to do with stats.
  
  You keep on talking about your eye test. I'm talking about it NOW, and you're STILL WRONG. And, I showed you words from other people that also said you're wrong.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  robj55;1629765 wrote:There roster is better than when Lebron left easily. Lebron would make them understand that defense is important especially if they want to win a title. You could put Lebron on any team and they are instantly in the second round imo, he would make all the difference.

  2 things:
  1st: Yeah man, I just don't understand how LBJ wasn't able to get Miami heat fans to go to games either. Guess even he has limits of his powers?
  
  2nd: No it's not. We have more talented individual players, but worse team mates/team. We only have 1/2 players with a real position in the NBA. And 1 china doll that plays on defense. That's not a good team, that's the det pistions/ NYK. Give me 08 cavs without LBJ over this team any day of the week.
• robj55

  

  KB0938;1629762 wrote:Blocks can be overrated just as much as any other stat.
  
  For example. When Marcus Camby was in Denver and was consistently one of the DPOY finalists or won it(07 or 08) he had great block numbers. But watching him play, for every weakside block hed get....hed go for one and leave his man open on the backside for an open layup. But that doesnt go in the books, just when he got a block. I used to hate watching him, he was so bad at team defense and our team got abused down low. But he got rebounds and blocks so he was DPOY candidate status

  So couldn't advanced defensive stats be skewed also? At least with a block we know the block occurred. For instance If Lebron helps then his man scores while he is helping because there was no rotation. So many ways that can go.
• robj55

  

  Commander of Awesome;1629767 wrote:Yeah man, I just don't understand how LBJ wasn't able to get Miami heat fans to go to games either. Guess even he has limits of his powers?

  South beach, ass and tits everywhere. lol
• robj55

  

  lhslep134;1629766 wrote:Noting a slip in effort (or in your case, lackthereof) has nothing to do with stats.
  
  You keep on talking about your eye test. I'm talking about it NOW, and you're STILL WRONG. And, I showed you words from other people that also said you're wrong.

  Still an elite defender. / discussion.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  robj55;1629769 wrote:South beach, ass and tits everywhere. lol

  See my edited post.
• wildcats20

  

  robj55;1629770 wrote:Still an elite defender. / discussion.

  No one said he wasn't.
  
  He still wasn't as good this year as he has been in the past.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Cavs not making the playoffs in this eastern conference told me everything I needed to know about our roster.
• lhslep134

  

  robj55;1629770 wrote:Still an elite defender. / discussion.

  I never said he wasn't. But now that you said you watched every Heat game and didn't notice an obvious slippage an effort, I know that you can no longer be credibly talked to about the NBA. You just don't understand.
  
  As far as whatever your retort is going to be, I've done more than enough on this site to prove my NBA knowledge.
• robj55

  

  wildcats20;1629758 wrote:And the defensive stats for Bron decreased from last year to this.
  
  Defensive stats being blocks and steals.

  Yes but you can still play great defense and not get steals or blocks.