NFL replacement refs
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Automatik
Sorry, but I have to disagree.Fly4Fun;1281383 wrote:Yes, they made mistakes. But so do the regular refs. The replacement refs had no shot in hell. The media had an eye on them from the start and looking at the whole situation with a magnifying glass. The coaches and players were trying harder than ever to push the rules to the edge but then complaining about the excessive amount of penalties.
Heck, even one of the most notable and well respected referees (Ed Hochuli) has been at the center of a controversy that is honestly extremely comparable to the Green Bay mistake (and he had the experience of years and time).
San Diego vs. Denver. Rivers fumbles ball, Denver recovers, but play was blown dead. Play was not reveiwable. If that turnover was properly awarded with the call on the field Denver could have gone into victory formation and won.
The past incident was a call on the field (not reviewable under current rules) that directly affected the on-field result.
No refs are perfect, are the regular ones probably better? Yes, because of years of experience and what they have gone through to get there. Were the replacement refs the worst thing in the world and the downfall of the league? No, but the reaction of the media makes it seem as if the regular refs would never make mistakes or penalties were up 10 fold.
There is a difference between incompetence and your "everyday missed call" and the scabs displayed the former way too much in only THREE WEEKS.
The swift action of the NFL shows you how terrible they were. Was the issue sensationalized by the media? Yes. Was the criticism and outraged towards the replacements warranted? HELL YES. -
Tiernan^^^
"Scabs"? really? Great insight Jimmy Hoffa. LOL. -
Automatik
Scabs, replacements, whatever you want to call them.Tiernan;1281464 wrote:^^^
"Scabs"? really? Great insight Jimmy Hoffa. LOL. -
Fly4Fun
I agree there is a difference between every day missed calls and what was going on here. I just disagree about the level of incompetence as you claim (I don't think it was). These refs are obviously not a perfect substitute for the regular officials. But given the situation they were thrown into (not having the same experience and screening process to hone the skills and weed out poor officials) I'd say overall they did pretty well (relatively speaking of course).Automatik;1281456 wrote:Sorry, but I have to disagree.
There is a difference between incompetence and your "everyday missed call" and the scabs displayed the former way too much in only THREE WEEKS.
The swift action of the NFL shows you how terrible they were. Was the issue sensationalized by the media? Yes. Was the criticism and outraged towards the replacements warranted? HELL YES.
But like you said, that's just a disagreement on magnitude. -
Laley23
No one is blaming the refs for sucking. They arent qualified. Pretty much everyone is blaming the league for throwing unqualified officials out there.Fly4Fun;1281469 wrote:I agree there is a difference between every day missed calls and what was going on here. I just disagree about the level of incompetence as you claim (I don't think it was). These refs are obviously not a perfect substitute for the regular officials. But given the situation they were thrown into (not having the same experience and screening process to hone the skills and weed out poor officials) I'd say overall they did pretty well (relatively speaking of course).
But like you said, that's just a disagreement on magnitude.
People who think they did OK and the criticism is unwarranted are in a small minority. I know talk shows are going to beat the issue to death, but when everyone they have on their shows agrees...even mild mannered and unbiased talking heads...there is something to it. Even the rules official for Fox, Mike Perreria or however its spelled said that the calls they were missing were so obvious and the calls they were making were pretty questionable. He said the game just moved way to fast for them. -
Raw Dawgin' it
I don't know if it was posted, but the Lingerie Football League fired some of the replacement refs for incompetence. -
ts1227
Gene Steratore and crew will work tonight's game -
TiernanIts been revealed now that Hochuli was holding "boot camps" with the regular refs and contacting players after games to stir the turds. Anybody who considered the replacements as "scabs" (meaning you equate their presence at games in the same vein as a non-union employee crossing a Teamster picket line) has absolutely no clue as to how Employment in America operates.
Rich SOBs who either inherited their wealth or worked their asses off to earn it, should have every right to pay employees and grant benefits however the fuck they feel like as long as they operate within the the fair wage controls established by State & Fed regs. Whether its a "boutique" Union like the NFL Officials or not, buckling under to them because of a majority HS educated blue collar public outcry is a microview of how Unions started killing the industrial strength of this nation 50 - 60 yrs ago and why we are in the shit-storm economy we're in now. And bank it...the same idiots who clamored for the return of regular officials will re-elect Obama in November just because the other guy represents "Management" in their tiny nearsighted minds. -
Automatik
Not sure if you noticed after your earlier post, but it appears that no one really cares about your political banter. We have a separate forum for that if you weren't aware.Tiernan;1281558 wrote:Its been revealed now that Hochuli was holding "boot camps" with the regular refs and contacting players after games to stir the turds. Anybody who considered the replacements as "scabs" (meaning you equate their presence at games in the same vein as a non-union employee crossing a Teamster picket line) has absolutely no clue as to how Employment in America operates.
Rich SOBs who either inherited their wealth or worked their asses off to earn it, should have every right to pay employees and grant benefits however the fuck they feel like as long as they operate within the the fair wage controls established by State & Fed regs. Whether its a "boutique" Union like the NFL Officials or not, buckling under to them because of a majority HS educated blue collar public outcry is a microview of how Unions started killing the industrial strength of this nation 50 - 60 yrs ago and why we are in the shit-storm economy we're in now. And bank it...the same idiots who clamored for the return of regular officials will re-elect Obama in November just because the other guy represents "Management" in their tiny nearsighted minds.
I wasn't referring to them as scabs because I side with the old refs. I don't. I was just hoping for a fair resolution for both sides that involved the new ones coming back. My comments were directed toward the shit product that resulted from the replacement refs. -
TiernanAutomatik;1281572 wrote: My comments were directed toward the shit product that resulted from the replacement refs.
I'm pretty sure there won't be single controversial call now that the old refs are back. -
SonofanumpLulz. There's always one in every message board.
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sleeper
Thank god we have the real refs back. THey are so much better. :rolleyes: -
Fly4Fun
But the media and players won't cause nearly as big of a fuss (except maybe in Green Bay).sleeper;1283985 wrote:Thank god we have the real refs back. THey are so much better. :rolleyes: -
Laley23
Why didnt green bay have a challenge? What did McCarthy waste them on?
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hasbeen
Laley23;1283988 wrote:Why didnt green bay have a challenge? What did McCarthy waste them on?
1st challenge was wasted on a sideline no-catch by Jordy Nelson. That was bad decision.
The other was a Jimmy Graham catch that they upheld. Not sure how. That was a bad call. -
Ironman92
Bumped thread for butthurtness about commenting on refs.Sonofanump;1280171 wrote:What we have is an elite pyramid. For the most part the 119 NFL are the best in the world. I’d gather that none of the 119 lockout out are outside the 300[SUP]th[/SUP] best in the world and most of them are appropriately in the top 150. They are a few D1 NCAA officials that would crack the top 50. For the most part the officials at the FBS level are 100[SUP]th[/SUP] to 500[SUP]th[/SUP] in the world (~450). A few of these replacements are retired FBS guys, but mostly to take guys who worked D2 & D3 in front of limited scholar athletes with a few thousand (or hundred in the case of most D2 & D3 programs) is ludicrous. Moving up each level from JH to Frosh to HS to D3 to D2 to FCS to FBS to NFL is exponential in difficulty. Putting one D3 guy on an existing crew might work, but taking a whole new crew and putting them on the field together is insane.
Here are the real ratings I guess.
Also.....post #76 nearly made me pass out. -
Sonofanump
No butthurt here, when do your ratings come out?Ironman92;1545999 wrote:Bumped thread for butthurtness about commenting on refs.
Here are the real ratings I guess.
Also.....post #76 nearly made me pass out. -
Ironman92
You were quite active in this thread....a little defensive.
Me rating the 10-12 NFL guys I can recall really can't compare to your D3 college Top 300 rankings.
I hereby retire until I do it again. -
Sonofanump
From what I recall, just factual.Ironman92;1546036 wrote:You were quite active in this thread....a little defensive.
Me rating the 10-12 NFL guys I can recall really can't compare to your D3 college Top 300 rankings.
I hereby retire until I do it again. -
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Ironman92
The irony to that greatness was that he was demoted from head referee to whatever he was there.....and then he did that. LolSonofanump;1546045 wrote:[video=youtube;WAQ1Vc7H9DM][/video]