NFL Combine

• BR1986FB

  IggyPride00;1096623 wrote:I think Arizona is going to emerge as a suitor for Manning. Very winnable division, play in a dome, good receivers, and a history with Warner of bringing in a veteran QB for a stretch run at the end of their career.
  
  They seemed fairly underwhelmed with Kolb, so I think they would have no problem cutting him loose if it meant bringing Peyton to town.
  
  I could be wrong, but I just don't see Peyton having the appetite for the NFC east with a Washington team that is really not that close right now. That is a tough and bruising division, not to mention he would play Eli twice a year.
  
  The NFC west is a joke outside of SF, who is made great strides, but still isn't what I would call a world beater.
  
  Peyton has about 2-3 years if he is healthy, so I see him going to the place that is most ready to win immediately.

  Have actually heard the Manning brothers would relish playing each other 2x's a year.
• Mulva

  

  SportsAndLady;1096574 wrote:I'd take the Washington trade if I were St Louis

  Same. 6, 39, 70, and 1-32 next year vs. 4, 22, and 68?
  
  I don't see how the Browns offer is better even if you expect the Redskins to be a playoff team.
• wes_mantooth

  

  IggyPride00;1096623 wrote:I think Arizona is going to emerge as a suitor for Manning. Very winnable division, play in a dome, good receivers, and a history with Warner of bringing in a veteran QB for a stretch run at the end of their career.
  
  They seemed fairly underwhelmed with Kolb, so I think they would have no problem cutting him loose if it meant bringing Peyton to town.
  
  I could be wrong, but I just don't see Peyton having the appetite for the NFC east with a Washington team that is really not that close right now. That is a tough and bruising division, not to mention he would play Eli twice a year.
  
  The NFC west is a joke outside of SF, who is made great strides, but still isn't what I would call a world beater.
  
  Peyton has about 2-3 years if he is healthy, so I see him going to the place that is most ready to win immediately.

  5 yrs ago I would agree with this....but I think today's athlete is all about who offers the most ridiculous contract. Manning doesn't seem like a guy that is all about the money, but hell, I never thought Jim Thome was either...lol. We all know which owner in this league has the track record of overpaying by a lot...and his name is Dan Snyder. The only thing is...I have no idea what their cap situation is.
• like_that

  

  As COA pointed out, all this talk of these trades are just pure speculation. We still need to see where Flynn and Manning goes. Hell maybe even add Kolb to that list. After that, the teams without a QB might tell the Rams to go fuck themselves with their ridiculous deamands as they will realize they having a liking to QBs such as Weeden or Tannehill, and they wouldn't need to mortgage their future to get them.
  
  I think that scenario is more likely to play out.
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1096641 wrote:As COA pointed out, all this talk of these trades are just pure speculation. We still need to see where Flynn and Manning goes. Hell maybe even add Kolb to that list. After that, the teams without a QB might tell the Rams to go fuck themselves with their ridiculous deamands as they will realize they having a liking to QBs such as Weeden or Tannehill, and they wouldn't need to mortgage their future to get them.
  
  I think that scenario is more likely to play out.

  Hopefully this is what plays out. Having RG3 fall to 4 AND keeping 22? Six to midnight...
• IggyPride00

  

  wes_mantooth;1096632 wrote:5 yrs ago I would agree with this....but I think today's athlete is all about who offers the most ridiculous contract. Manning doesn't seem like a guy that is all about the money, but hell, I never thought Jim Thome was either...lol. We all know which owner in this league has the track record of overpaying by a lot...and his name is Dan Snyder. The only thing is...I have no idea what their cap situation is.

  Money is always important, but at this point he desperately needs a second super bowl (especially now that Eli has a 2nd one) for his legacy.
  
  I think more than anything the clearest path to getting there is going to be a consideration because he just doesn't have a lot of time. Money clearly is always a factor, but with Peyton I really think this is as much about Legacy as anything at this point.
  
  I could be wrong, but the path to the playoffs is much easier in the NFC west than it is the AFC east. If you don't get to the playoffs, you don't even have a shot at a SB.
• SportsAndLady

  

  BR1986FB;1096655 wrote:Hopefully this is what plays out. Having RG3 fall to 4 AND keeping 22? Six to midnight...

  I would love that as well.
  
  Just don't think us Browns fans are lucky enough lol
  
  I would also be cool with a LOT of scenarios this year, which is weird for me as I usually like 1 or 2 players with their first round pick, that's it. This team has so many holes, you can't really go wrong with any scenario this side of "trade everything to take RG3".
• wes_mantooth

  

  IggyPride00;1096656 wrote:Money is always important, but at this point he desperately needs a second super bowl (especially now that Eli has a 2nd one) for his legacy.
  
  I think more than anything the clearest path to getting there is going to be a consideration because he just doesn't have a lot of time. Money clearly is always a factor, but with Peyton I really think this is as much about Legacy as anything at this point.
  
  I could be wrong, but the path to the playoffs is much easier in the NFC west than it is the AFC east. If you don't get to the playoffs, you don't even have a shot at a SB.

  I won't dispute that...but I am jaded, I think it is always about the money now...lol
• said_aouita

  

  like_that;1096465 wrote:SMH, you really haven't been comprehending anything being discussed in this thread. Just stick to your XC discussions with CCrunner.

  Don't mind me. Playing dumb is second nature for me. Almost as if I don't even hafta try.
  
  I'm just being a goofball, dude.....yea, I'd trade the lot to get him but I'm not the decision maker.
• j_crazy

  

  St Louis could get immensely better in this draft without using theory pick. It's amazing.
• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1096666 wrote: Just don't think us Browns fans are lucky enough lol

  Agreed. It seems like every year they get some garbage win that keeps them from controlling their own destiny on a player that it seems they'd covet.
• IggyPride00

  

  wes_mantooth;1096668 wrote:I won't dispute that...but I am jaded, I think it is always about the money now...lol

  It is.
  
  Except when baby brother has 2 rings to your 1 and you are supposed to be the greatest QB in NFL history. At that point I think you would trade any amount of money if it makes it easier for you to get another ring.
  
  Then again, maybe I am not jaded enough.
• said_aouita

  

  wes_mantooth;1096573 wrote:Yeah, I think that is your perfect storm. The less bidders for rg3, the better off we are. I know you guys don't agree, but I honestly think that Washington is the only other realistic bidder...so with them gone, he can slide to 4.

  Would be great if Redskins go entirely for Peyton. Thing is, I don't think Rams want the #2 pick. Somebody will move ahead of the Browns to get him and are you sure the Vikings are sold on Ponder?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Why wouldn't the Rams want the pick?
• SportsAndLady

  

  IggyPride00;1096684 wrote:It is.
  
  Except when baby brother has 2 rings to your 1 and you are supposed to be the greatest QB in NFL history. At that point I think you would trade any amount of money if it makes it easier for you to get another ring.
  
  Then again, maybe I am not jaded enough.

  I highly doubt Peyton is sitting there going "omg I gotta go to the best place to win a super bowl ring so I can have more than my little brother"
  
  Everyone...EVERYONE...knows Peyton is a better QB than Eli. Just because he has 1 less ring, doesn't mean a thing. You could MAYBE make the argument if Peyton has never won a ring, and Eli has. But Peyton has his ring. Everyone knows he's an all-time great QB, and better than his brother.
• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1096691 wrote:I highly doubt Peyton is sitting there going "omg I gotta go to the best place to win a super bowl ring so I can have more than my little brother"
  
  Everyone...EVERYONE...knows Peyton is a better QB than Eli. Just because he has 1 less ring, doesn't mean a thing. You could MAYBE make the argument if Peyton has never won a ring, and Eli has. But Peyton has his ring. Everyone knows he's an all-time great QB, and better than his brother.

  Yeah, I agree with this. The "gotta get another SB ring to be equal with lil bro" thing is a bit too "conspiracy theory" for my liking.
• wes_mantooth

  

  said_aouita;1096686 wrote:Would be great if Redskins go entirely for Peyton. Thing is, I don't think Rams want the #2 pick. Somebody will move ahead of the Browns to get him and are you sure the Vikings are sold on Ponder?

  Good question.
  
  I heard some beat writer from the Vikings on WKNR the other day. He said that there was no way that they would give up on Ponder yet. He thought the organization was overall pretty happy with what they saw in his first year.
• IggyPride00

  

  BR1986FB;1096705 wrote:Yeah, I agree with this. The "gotta get another SB ring to be equal with lil bro" thing is a bit too "conspiracy theory" for my liking.

  It's not even so much about Eli as it is that winning a 2nd puts you in a much different class as a QB. Many have 1, 2 is a different level.
• BR1986FB

  IggyPride00;1096741 wrote:It's not even so much about Eli as it is that winning a 2nd puts you in a much different class as a QB. Many have 1, 2 is a different level.

  The only QB that has multiple SB titles who I'd put at or above Manning is Tom Brady. That includes Joe Montana.
• wes_mantooth

  

  BR1986FB;1096749 wrote:The only QB that has multiple SB titles who I'd put at or above Manning is Tom Brady. That includes Joe Montana.

  No Elway in the conversation?
• SportsAndLady

  

  IggyPride00;1096741 wrote:It's not even so much about Eli as it is that winning a 2nd puts you in a much different class as a QB. Many have 1, 2 is a different level.

  Are you just talking out of your ass or what lol
• BR1986FB

  wes_mantooth;1096753 wrote:No Elway in the conversation?

  Yeah, forgot about him.
• said_aouita

  

  BR1986FB;1096749 wrote:The only QB that has multiple SB titles who I'd put at or above Manning is Tom Brady. That includes Joe Montana.

  wes_mantooth;1096753 wrote:No Elway in the conversation?

  No doubt the minority but I'd even put Elway above Montana and neither are as good as Peyton. The three behind Peyton for me - Brady, Elway and then Montana.
• BR1986FB

  said_aouita;1096813 wrote:No doubt the minority but I'd even put Elway above Montana and neither are as good as Peyton. The three behind Peyton for me - Brady, Elway and then Montana.

  I have Brady up there only because he didn't have anywhere near the offensive weapons that Manning did. But conversely, Manning never had the defenses that Brady had behind him.
• IggyPride00

  

  SportsAndLady;1096754 wrote:Are you just talking out of your ass or what lol

  Are you trolling me or something? You seem kind of obsessed with me and my posts recently.