Cleveland Indians Hot Stove---2011-2012

• HitsRus

  

  It will soon begin.....
  The Tribe has three days from from the final out of the World Series to decide whether to pick up the options on Sizemore and Carmona. It will have huge implications on what other off season moves will be made.
  
  http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111021&content_id=25740002&vkey=news_cle&c_id=cle
  
  
  Interesting to note that the Twins did not pick up the option on closer Joe Nathan.($12 million)...they are still hoping to keep him at a lesser figure.
• like_that

  

  Stove won't even be hot enough for the water to boil.
• Crimson streak

  

  Hopefully we can get a right handed power bat. If Dolan is really true to his word he would throw a huge contract at pujols but I doubt he does. I would like to see Cuddyer tho. We also need another solid starter. I wish we could snag cj Wilson but I heard he's asking for a lot
• like_that

  

  Lmao Dolan isn't throwing a contract to Pujols.
• coach_bob1

  I wouldn't pick up the option on Sizemore. Get's hurt way too often for the amount the option is worth ($9 million I believe?)
• Mulva

  

  I don't see many moves being made. It will be like the Browns past offseason. The team is going to sit back and bank on a lot of young players making big improvements in order to contend next season, realizing there are way too many holes left to fill to accomplish in 1 year.
  
  They might throw a few million at a back end starter or a platoon-type outfielder, but I'd be shocked if any major pieces are added.
• like_that

  

  Mulva;947238 wrote:I don't see many moves being made. It will be like the Browns past offseason. The team is going to sit back and bank on a lot of young players making big improvements in order to contend next season, realizing there are way too many holes left to fill to accomplish in 1 year.
  
  They might throw a few million at a back end starter or a platoon-type outfielder, but I'd be shocked if any major pieces are added.

  
  Pretty much what will happen. They already set their franchise back a few years by trading their best pitching prospects for failbaldo.
• BR1986FB

  It baffles me at the lack of knowledge by some of this fan base. Listening to 92.3 on my drive in they were talking about Sizemore, Hafner & Thome and which player they'd keep. Callers were calling in saying "don't resign Sizemore, release Hafner and use the $20 million to make a SPLASH" as if Hafner's one year remaining on his contract would just disappear..lol
• Crimson streak

  

  like_that;947200 wrote:Lmao Dolan isn't throwing a contract to Pujols.

  
  I honestly wouldn't even care if he rejected it or w/e. as long as they make an effort to show there at least trying
• dazedconfused

  

  hopefully both carmona and sizemore are told "thanks but no thanks"
• HitsRus

  

  If you don't pick up the options of Sizemore and Carmona, you have $16 Mil to play with....albeit, some players eligible for arbitration are due raises and that will eat into that figure.
  
  If say Pujols could be had for $16 mill( which he can't)...you could look at it like trading Grady and Carmona for Pujols...a trade any of us make any day of the week. It is too bad Fielder bats left handed.
• OQB

  

  The day the Dolan's sign a big name free agent like pujols, will be the day hell freezes over.
• Con_Alma

  Why in the world would they pick up sizemore's option? If he were willing to rework it maybe but there's no way yo pay that guy, what is it $8,000,000.
  
  An injury prone, strikeout artist that is an all -star when healthy doesn't equate to $8mil.
  
  Carmona I would support.
  
  You can't trade Hafner to anyone with what he's making.
  
  it's funny, people want the options picked up and blame Dolan if he doesn't but want a guy like Hafner traded and he can't be because Dolan paid him!!!!
• Heretic

  

  like_that;947200 wrote:Lmao Dolan isn't throwing a contract to Pujols.

  He might do the "lowball offer so we can tell the fans we tried" sort of thing.
  
  "Man, shocked that Pujois didn't return our calls! That 3-yr, 10-million deal was SWEET! Incentives could have taken him up to $12 mil!"
• HitsRus

  

  Of course, the Tribe won't get Pujols... the point I was trying to make was that by turning down the options, there is suddenly a lot of money available....enough to get a really solid right handed bat.
• wes_mantooth

  

  Heretic;948327 wrote:He might do the "lowball offer so we can tell the fans we tried" sort of thing.
  
  "Man, shocked that Pujois didn't return our calls! That 3-yr, 10-million deal was SWEET! Incentives could have taken him up to $12 mil!"

  
  Yep....pretty much.
  
  I want to see them make a splash, but we all know how that goes
• ts1227

  

  like_that;947194 wrote:Stove won't even be hot enough for the water to boil.

  What if we unload all large contracts in exchange for a propane tank to make it boil? Seems reasonable given Dolan.
• hangonsloopy

  

  Don't know how reliable this is....http://lakecounty-sentinel.com/index.php?p=6_158
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^probably pretty accurate. The Sentinel's sources are pretty good.
• wes_mantooth

  

  if true...def a good decision.
• HitsRus

  

  The Indians were pretty adamnant about picking up his option early in Sept. when Shapiro commented on it. However, Sizemore's last stint towards the end of the month ended with him being shut down, and hints of more surgery (albeit minor)....might have been enough to tip the scales to the Indians thinking that $9 mill was a luxury that they couldn't afford to chance on the injury prone outfielder.
  
  Still no official confirmation by the team yet.
• dazedconfused

  

  hopefully it is true^^^
  
  should have never even been considering it in the first place
• like_that

  

  Good riddance, now watch Grady bat .350, 40hr, 140 RBIs with whoever signs him.
• grodt

  

  I hear the Indians have contacted Grady's camp to try to rework the deal but they want them to either pick it up or let him be a free agent. I think some team will spend more money then the Indians offer and take a chance on him (Texas, Washington, San Francisco).
• dazedconfused

  

  grodt;950792 wrote:I hear the Indians have contacted Grady's camp to try to rework the deal but they want them to either pick it up or let him be a free agent. I think some team will spend more money then the Indians offer and take a chance on him (Texas, Washington, San Francisco).

  just let him go. i really grew tired of grady's act this year