2011 Cleveland Cavalier Offseason/Draft

• thedynasty1998

  

  BR1986FB;771704 wrote:No, no, no...DON'T say THAT. I brought up the possibility of Bosh being moved in the offseason and the Heat "nuthuggers" laughed at me. I bet if Riley had to do it ALL over again, in hindsight, he DOESN'T sign Bosh and puts that money toward two very good role players (a physical big man and a non-China Doll <Mike Miller> outside shooter). I didn't think Lebron & D-Wade would work well together but now I think it's Bosh who is the unnecessary piece to that puzzle.

  Look at free agent deals and tell me who those two players are. You might think what you are saying sounds good, but provide an actual alternative.
• Lovejoy1984

  

  thedynasty1998;772202 wrote:Look at free agent deals and tell me who those two players are. You might think what you are saying sounds good, but provide an actual alternative.

  Ray Allen could've been had.
• The Boss

  

  thedynasty1998;772197 wrote:I really don't understand how people think Bosh doesn't fit in. He is the perfect piece for that team because he will be productive by staying in the background. Yes he's soft, but that's never been a question.

  
  I don't think he fits that well for one reason: when he's out there and getting the ball, LeBron and DWade have to stay out on the perimeter because he needs plenty of space to get his shot. Mainly because he is a softy, he relies on footwork and quickness. And that wastes the talents of your two best players for those possessions and makes it easier on the defense to guard those two outside.
• thedynasty1998

  

  The Boss;772251 wrote:I don't think he fits that well for one reason: when he's out there and getting the ball, LeBron and DWade have to stay out on the perimeter because he needs plenty of space to get his shot. Mainly because he is a softy, he relies on footwork and quickness. And that wastes the talents of your two best players for those possessions and makes it easier on the defense to guard those two outside.

  
  How often does he get the ball and they clear out? And you could say that about any post player. He's valuable because he can space the floor for them.
  
  And Bosh is far more valuable than Ray Allen. Now it is fine to be critical of Mike Miller because he was a huge disappointment. Also don't underestimate the importance that Haslem would have brought.
• The Boss

  

  A lot, actually. They stand around on the perimeter while he takes 8-10 seconds to get a shot. Take a guy like Amare and put him with LeBron and DWade and those rims will be hurting and they would be way better.
• Pick6

  

  thedynasty1998;772268 wrote:How often does he get the ball and they clear out? And you could say that about any post player. He's valuable because he can space the floor for them.
  
  And Bosh is far more valuable than Ray Allen. Now it is fine to be critical of Mike Miller because he was a huge disappointment. Also don't underestimate the importance that Haslem would have brought.

  
  Haslem is back, though his minutes are limited.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Haslem is returning from an injury. But this is a CAVS thread. GTFO with CHeat talk. #1 and #4 pick. Talk about that trolls (not directed at pick6).
• The Boss

  

  Haslem won't be "back" until next season. He's got nothing to offer them right now.
• thedynasty1998

  

  The Boss;772272 wrote:A lot, actually. They stand around on the perimeter while he takes 8-10 seconds to get a shot. Take a guy like Amare and put him with LeBron and DWade and those rims will be hurting and they would be way better.

  
  Amare is the best PF in the NBA so yes I agree and mainly because he is a pick and roll nightmare.
  
  On the draft I saw a tweet about the Cavs taking Williams and then Kemba at 4. Not a bad idea if they go that route.
• The Boss

  

  Has to be Kyrie Irving right? There needs to be a poll.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  thedynasty1998;772281 wrote:Amare is the best PF in the NBA

  
  lol dirk lol? LMAO Amare plays one side of the game, hardly the best. Continue to prove your lack of the game though.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  The Boss;772285 wrote:Has to be Kyrie Irving right? There needs to be a poll.

  
  I would think so, I honestly dont see how its not Irving.
• The Boss

  

  Commander of Awesome;772289 wrote:lol dirk lol? LMAO Amare plays one side of the game, hardly the best. Continue to prove your lack of the game though.

  
  Amare is a much better defender than Dirk.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  The Boss;772291 wrote:Amare is a much better defender than Dirk.

  
  Disagree. One at least makes an effort (dirk) the other is is invisible.
• KR1245

  

  Draft Irving first and then take your pick between Williams, Kanter or Valanciunas
• KR1245

  

  Ford Mock Draft 2.0
  
  The lottery results are in and the Cleveland Cavaliers are the big winners in this year's draft lottery. That means it's time for our second full mock draft of 2011.
  
  At this point very little is set in stone. Expect this mock draft to fluctuate greatly over the course of the next six weeks. The process of team workouts has just started. Over the next few weeks the Chicago NBA pre-draft combine, the Reebok Eurocamp and hundreds of team workouts will dramatically alter the face of the draft. But for now, here's our best stab, after talking to numerous NBA team sources, about how the draft might play out in June.
  
  1. CLE- PG Kyrie Irving
  Analysis: What a big win for Cleveland -- they trade away Mo Williams and get back No. 1 pick Kyrie Irving. Yes, the Cavs have Baron Davis, but he's not a big part of their future plans. Irving can come in and immediately give them a backcourt foundation to fit with J. J. Hickson and the No. 4 pick.
  
  2. MIN- F Derrick Williams
  Analysis: Minnesota GM David Kahn can breathe a sigh of relief -- we think. With Irving likely off the board, Kahn won't have to put up all those point guard jokes. Unless, that is, he reaches for Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker here.
  
  I think this pick will be a three-way race between Williams, Enes Kanter and Bismack Biyombo. Of the three, Williams has the strongest pedigree and ultimately should be an upgrade over Michael Beasley. But don't be surprised if Kahn trades the pick. I'm already hearing form sources that Minnesota has told people they're very open to moving the second pick. Kahn really wants to add some veteran help to the team.
  
  3. UTA- PG Brandon Knight
  Analysis: The Jazz could go in a number of directions. They have a need at small forward (and would love it, by the way, if Derrick Williams fell to them) and at center. And, while they like Devin Harris at point guard, they're not sure he's the long-term answer.
  
  For that reason, I think Knight has a good chance of being the pick. Knight may not have the NCAA pedigree of Kemba Walker, but he is a high-character player, has good size for the position, defends well and can really shoot.
  
  4. CLE- C Enes Kanter
  Analysis: Few teams have watched Kanter play during last year unless they saw a Kentucky practice, so they are projecting Kanter's potential largely on the strength of a stellar performance at the 2010 Nike Hoop Summit. But if Kanter plays the way he did at the Hoop Summit and in workouts in Chicago (where I saw him for several days last week), he's a good fit for the Cavs and worthy of this pick.
  
  Kanter is tough, can play inside and out, rebounds the basketball and has a higher basketball IQ than most other players his age. While a bit undersized for a center, his toughness in the paint would be very welcome in Cleveland.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  That would be fucking amazing. I hope we come away with a talented pg and big, I have a suspicion that Kanter goes #3, hope I'm wrong.
• thedynasty1998

  

  How well would Hickson and Kanter compliment each other?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  thedynasty1998;772319 wrote:How well would Hickson and Kanter compliment each other?

  
  Hard to say as I only have second hand knowledge of Kanter (at best) since he didn't play here. From what I understand though, he;s the best big prospect and ready for the NBA. I'm a believer in Talent, if you have it, you find a fit.
• The Boss

  

  thedynasty1998;772319 wrote:How well would Hickson and Kanter compliment each other?

  
  How did Randolph and Gasol do it? Not saying Hickson is Randolph but Kanter can play out of the paint too, could be a really nice combo down low. And if he can play any kind of solid defense, you have a pretty good defensive force down low with Andy off the bench. Still got Jamison too. And a PG to get them the ball. Find a wing defender who can hit the 3 and you've got something pretty solid going.
• Automatik

  

  Cleveland is in a unique situation. I can't recall a team ever having two top 5 picks.
  
  Is Irving really a lock for #1? I've probably only seen him play 2 full games last season so I don't have that much of an opinion on him. As for Williams I'd say hes ready for the NBA game right now. What about Irving? Could he be a factor right away?
  
  Also is trading the 2nd pick an option?
• The Boss

  

  Automatik;772331 wrote:Cleveland is in a unique situation. I can't recall a team ever having two top 5 picks.
  
  Is Irving really a lock for #1? I've probably only seen him play 2 full games last season so I don't have that much of an opinion on him. As for Williams I'd say hes ready for the NBA game right now. What about Irving? Could he be a factor right away?
  
  Also is trading the 2nd pick an option?

  Yes Irving would be a starter and a productive one right away, I'd say at least as good as Mo right from the start. And I'm sure they'd look at trading the 2nd pick. Package it with Baron for a team that wants his "expiring" contract--still has 2 years I think, but that's a big contract that a team might take and wait it out that long. Especially a team that needs a decent filler PG.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  The Boss;772329 wrote:How did Randolph and Gasol do it? Not saying Hickson is Randolph but Kanter can play out of the paint too, could be a really nice combo down low. And if he can play any kind of solid defense, you have a pretty good defensive force down low with Andy off the bench. Still got Jamison too. And a PG to get them the ball. Find a wing defender who can hit the 3 and you've got something pretty solid going.

  
  Hmm interesting to think of Andy coming off the bench is something I've almost forgotten about, considering he's been out most of the season. I'd like to trade Jamison, but might be a season too early depending on the labor agreement.
• wildcats20

  

  The Boss;772338 wrote:Yes Irving would be a starter and a productive one right away, I'd say at least as good as Mo right from the start. And I'm sure they'd look at trading the 2nd pick. Package it with Baron for a team that wants his "expiring" contract--still has 2 years I think, but that's a big contract that a team might take and wait it out that long. Especially a team that needs a decent filler PG.

  
  I think you have to keep B Diddy around. Wouldn't be a bad mentor type guy for Irving, it seems as if he really liked it in Cleveland.
• wildcats20

  

  Unless you can get something great for him.