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2011 Cleveland Cavalier Offseason/Draft

  • KR1245
    BR1986FB;767203 wrote:This is pretty cool that Gilbert's son will be the rep at the draft lottery...

    http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/121763019.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Cribbs and Haden are going to be there as well.
  • BR1986FB
    KR1245;770965 wrote:Cribbs and Haden are going to be there as well.

    Haden is the MAN. He's "Cleveland" through and through.
  • OneBuckeye
    I agree. But cleveland having two picks could create an instant playoff team. I don't think detroit getting irving does that. I just ran one that had cleveland at 2 and 8. Taking Derrek Willams and Brandon Knight. I would take something like that all day long. I hope Cleveland doesn't take a project forgein kid either but depending on where they end up they may have to.
  • BR1986FB
    OneBuckeye;770972 wrote:I agree. But cleveland having two picks could create an instant playoff team. I don't think detroit getting irving does that. I just ran one that had cleveland at 2 and 8. Taking Derrek Willams and Brandon Knight. I would take something like that all day long. I hope Cleveland doesn't take a project forgein kid either but depending on where they end up they may have to.

    I'd be thrilled shitless with those two players. Hope it happens.

    I agree on the Euro "project" player. The only one I'd want would be Enes Kanter.
  • KR1245
    BR1986FB;770974 wrote:I'd be thrilled shitless with those two players. Hope it happens.

    I agree on the Euro "project" player. The only one I'd want would be Enes Kanter.

    I'm a little worried about Williams. The kid doesnt have a true position in the NBA right now. Hes doesnt have the quicks or the jumper to play the 3 and hes not big enough to play the 4. I wouldnt be that upset if they draftted him but the kid has some work to do imo.

    I would love Irving, I think the kid has the potential to be the next CP3.
  • Commander of Awesome
    KR1245;770979 wrote:I'm a little worried about Williams. The kid doesnt have a true position in the NBA right now. Hes doesnt have the quicks or the jumper to play the 3 and hes not big enough to play the 4. I wouldnt be that upset if they draftted him but the kid has some work to do imo.

    I would love Irving, I think the kid has the potential to be the next CP3.

    I have the same concerns but then I think about a guy like Carl Landry. Undersized but still gets it done.
  • BR1986FB
    KR1245;770979 wrote:
    I would love Irving, I think the kid has the potential to be the next CP3.

    Irving would be the ideal and I'd think he was their #1 target. If the Cavs don't get the top pick we can only hope it's a team that has no need for a PG.
  • mucalum49
    I have high expectations, Enes and Irving cause the Cavs will get the #1 and #2 pick. Then the Pistons, unhappy with where they draft trade us Rip Hamilton and their lottery pick for the TPE.

    The first part was a joke but I was curious if any more news about that deadline deal with the Pistons that got veto'd was still on the table. I know there was a rumor that at the end of the season both teams may revisit it.
  • BR1986FB
    Haven't heard anything about that deal but things could heat up tonight. Today would probably be a good day to revisit RCF's.
  • KR1245
    BR1986FB;770985 wrote:Haven't heard anything about that deal but things could heat up tonight. Today would probably be a good day to revisit RCF's.

    I've been over there for awhile and I haven heard any rumors. They are having a live lottery chat tonight, might be a good place to go.
  • lhslep134
    http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

    Draft express has us taking Williams at 2, Kanter at 8 (he won't be there) and Bojan Bogdanovic at 32. I don't think that's realistic but I was thinking about this scenario the other day and my friend and I love it:

    DWilliams at 2
    Alec Burks at 8
    Shelvin Mack or Darius Morris at 32

    We address our lack of consistent scoring options while drafting a point guard of the future. I happen to think at 6'3" and very sound defensively that Shelvin Mack will someday be a contributing pro at PG.
  • JerseyBuck
    KR1245;770965 wrote:Cribbs and Haden are going to be there as well.

    I've never seen a player "get it" so much as Haden. You gotta love this guy. He is Cleveland through and through. Cleveland has two great sports ambassadors in Haden and Cribbs.
  • BR1986FB
    ^^^^Nice !
  • BR1986FB
    Cleveland owner Dan Gilbert has pledged to do what it takes to turn the Cavs into a winner again.
    The Plain Dealer /Landov

    When last we left Dan Gilbert, he appeared to have lost his mind, along with the minds of anybody within three miles of him. LeBron James had left Gilbert's Cleveland Cavaliers for the Miami Heat -- I don't remember the details, but I vaguely recall the announcement being televised in some way -- and Gilbert was livid. He wrote one of the great letters in the history of sports, an angry screed that included this passage:

    I want to make one statement to you tonight: "I personally guarantee that the Cleveland Cavaliers will win an NBA Championship before the self-titled former 'king' wins one."

    You can take it to the bank.

    It was an amazing letter. But what Gilbert has done since then is even more amazing. It is one of the most aggressive strategies ever attempted by a sports owner. We'll get to it in a minute.

    Things do not seem to be going well for Gilbert right now. The self-titled King is in the Eastern Conference finals while Gilbert is running one of the worst teams in sports. After LeBron left, the Cavs became something you don't see much in sports these days: lovable losers. They sold out games. They played hard. They shocked some of the best teams in the league, including the Heat. But mostly they lost, and losing is only lovable for a little while. I suspect Gilbert did not love it for even a day.

    Now, back to that letter. Everybody thought Gilbert was insane. He is not. Gilbert might be wrong; I believe he will be wrong. I believe LeBron James will win a title with the Heat, though I'm skeptical it will be this year. (Also, it is possible, with Dwyane Wade turning 30 next January, that Wade's body will break down and this Heat group will never win a championship. But that is a separate discussion, and not a pleasant one. I hope Wade has a long career.)

    Anyway, Gilbert may be wrong, but he is not crazy. He is determined. There is a difference. That last line -- "You can take it to the bank" -- is the one we need to take literally.

    Dan Gilbert has put his money where his mouth is, in a way that is almost unprecedented in the NBA. At the trade deadline, the Cavs traded in-his-prime point guard Mo Williams for prime-rib-loving point guard Baron Davis, who hasn't tried in two years.

    The Cavs must pay Davis roughly $29 million over the next two seasons. Williams gets $17 million. (Jamario Moon, who was included in the deal, has a team option of $3.2 million that the Clippers can decline if they choose.) The Cavs also got the Clippers' 2011 first-round pick in the trade.

    This means Dan Gilbert spent $12 million for one first-round pick.

    He was not done. The Cavs tried to acquire Rip Hamilton from the Pistons for a 2012 first-round pick. Hamilton had fallen so far out of favor with the Pistons that his line in the box score read "DNP-%&!#$!" Hamilton is owed a maximum of $25 million over the next two years. Gilbert didn't care. Hamilton had zero interest in playing for the Cavs. Gilbert didn't care about that either.

    Gilbert was willing to either let Hamilton play for the full $25 million (if Rip changed his mind about Cleveland) or buy him out, presumably for at least $15 million. Hamilton wouldn't take a buyout, out of pride (which was dumb, since he would be playing for the Bulls right now, and would have made most of his money), so the trade got nixed.

    Add this up: $12 million in the Davis trade, plus at least $15 million (I suspect quite a bit more) for the Pistons' pick. Gilbert was ready to fork over around $30 million for two first-round picks -- neither of which is likely to be in the top three in the draft. The Clippers' pick only has a 2.8 percent chance of moving up to No. 1 this year, and the Pistons' pick next year would have been protected; if it was at the top of the draft, the Pistons would have kept it.


    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_rosenberg/05/17/dan.gilbert/index.html#ixzz1MddWWoO3
  • royal_k
    JerseyBuck;771407 wrote:I've never seen a player "get it" so much as Haden. You gotta love this guy. He is Cleveland through and through. Cleveland has two great sports ambassadors in Haden and Cribbs.

    +infinity
  • BR1986FB
    Oh snap...

    http://www.probasketballdraft.com/News.html#Revenge
  • Writerbuckeye

    Oh please, God, let this happen soon. How hilarious would it be to see James & Co. fall flat this year and then have to break up the band. Awwwww.
  • Pick6
    Writerbuckeye;771594 wrote:Oh please, God, let this happen soon. How hilarious would it be to see James & Co. fall flat this year and then have to break up the band. Awwwww.

    Did not read the article, but I think the heat would be better off getting rid of Bosh and using that money to get a couple of actual quality players to go along with James and Wade
  • Crimson streak
    Gilbert is a really smart man! I hope this happens.
  • jpake1
    Ha, that's funny. I'd like to see that though. There would be a lot of teams being "forced" to get under that 45M.
  • like_that

    That would be hilarious. I hope it happens.
  • jpake1
    IF that did ever happen, you might just see some players going over seas for HUGE contracts. That would be hilarious.
  • BR1986FB
    Pick6;771603 wrote:Did not read the article, but I think the heat would be better off getting rid of Bosh and using that money to get a couple of actual quality players to go along with James and Wade

    No, no, no...DON'T say THAT. I brought up the possibility of Bosh being moved in the offseason and the Heat "nuthuggers" laughed at me. I bet if Riley had to do it ALL over again, in hindsight, he DOESN'T sign Bosh and puts that money toward two very good role players (a physical big man and a non-China Doll <Mike Miller> outside shooter). I didn't think Lebron & D-Wade would work well together but now I think it's Bosh who is the unnecessary piece to that puzzle.
  • Mulva
    &#8220;You can only pick who&#8217;s there,&#8221; Colangelo said.

    One Western Conference general manager was more succinct in his analysis of this year&#8217;s pool of available players.

    &#8220;It&#8217;s horrendous,&#8221; he said. &#8220;Every year we always talk about how bad the draft is. This year we really mean it.&#8221;
    Later in the article...
    When asked if the upcoming draft was strong in anything, Riley said: &#8220;Not especially.&#8221;
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArfbI9prKgYoBByXVJwi3Us5nYcB?slug=mc-spears_weak_2011_nba_draft_awaits_lottery_051611

    Really an unfortunate season to be in the Cavs position. Hoping for Irving or Kanter, but after that pick I'm not sure it will matter. I like Alec Burks but his jump shot is just so iffy.
  • thedynasty1998
    I really don't understand how people think Bosh doesn't fit in. He is the perfect piece for that team because he will be productive by staying in the background. Yes he's soft, but that's never been a question.

    As for the Cavs, they got a he'll of a lot better tonight. Even with a poor draft choice you still want the higher picks. There is a huge drop off from the top 2 prospects so they should be thrilled to get one of them. I just hope Kanter drops to them at 4.