2011 Cleveland Cavalier Offseason/Draft

• sleeper

  

  Crimson streak;807021 wrote:I see what jordo is saying. He is saying Williams took a lot of stand still jump shots as opposed to hitting a jumper on the run/ with a taller defender on him. Either way Irving is the best pick. Williams I think will struggle a little bit adjusting to the game but I can see him as 18-10 type guy down the road

  
  Williams is 6'8. How much taller are these guys defending him?
• sleeper

  

  jordo212000;806749 wrote:Williams is good, but you wonder if he'll develop a jumpshot.

  jordo212000;806933 wrote:I don't see the sense. Never said he couldn't shoot. Thought he had things to work on and I think he might struggle against taller defenders who are just as athletic

  Also, you do realize the guy is 6'8 right?
• jordo212000

  

  I see what jordo is saying. He is saying Williams took a lot of stand still jump shots as opposed to hitting a jumper on the run/ with a taller defender on him. Either way Irving is the best pick. Williams I think will struggle a little bit adjusting to the game but I can see him as 18-10 type guy down the road

  
  Williams is 6'8. How much taller are these guys defending him?

  6'8 is very short for a PF. The guys covering him will be 2-3 inches taller
• sleeper

  

  jordo212000;807089 wrote:6'8 is very short for a PF. The guys covering him will be 2-3 inches taller

  Very short? You do realize most centers are 6'10/6'11? PF is slightly smaller, 6'8 is about where a PF should be.
• sleeper

  

  Also, its irrelevant. You made a point the guy needs to develop a jump shot, you've been proven wrong and you won't admit it.
  
  Epic fail on your part.
• dave

  Those worried about his size are more worried about it on the defensive end. Getting a shot off is the least of Williams' worries. If he's guarded by someone that much taller he'll drive right around him. If Jason Terry can shoot over LeBron Derrick Williams can get shots off too.
• sleeper

  

  He's actually 6'9. LOL
  
  Another fail by Jordo. Very short LOL
• sportswizuhrd

  Williams is 6-9(or 6-8.75)...
  
  http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Derrick-Williams-5811/
• sportswizuhrd

  sleeper;807094 wrote:He's actually 6'9. LOL

  
  Beat me to it.
• Hb31187

  

  Even if he was 6'8 its not short for PF anymore. The league is changing, a lot of the Pfs are 6'8 6'9 range. Just are explosive athletic now as opposed to big bulky back to the basket type
• hoops23

  

  Hb31187;807170 wrote:Even if he was 6'8 its not short for PF anymore. The league is changing, a lot of the Pfs are 6'8 6'9 range. Just are explosive athletic now as opposed to big bulky back to the basket type

  
  Exactly.
  
  Zach Randolph 6'9''
  JJ Hickson 6'8'' or 6'9''
  Kevin Love and LaMarcus Aldridge are both 6'10''
  Carlos Boozer 6'9''
  Al Horford 6'10''
  
  I'm sure there are MANY more examples as well..
• hoops23

  

  Crimson streak;807021 wrote:I see what jordo is saying. He is saying Williams took a lot of stand still jump shots as opposed to hitting a jumper on the run/ with a taller defender on him. Either way Irving is the best pick. Williams I think will struggle a little bit adjusting to the game but I can see him as 18-10 type guy down the road

  
  Wait, what? That's NOT what he's saying. In fact, it's not even close. He said DWill needs to develop a jumpshot, period. There was no gray area in his inital post. He didn't say anything about shooting over taller guys or creating his own shot until he got called out and proven wrong about his initial statement.
  
  Just look at this:

  jordo212000;806749 wrote: Williams is good, but you wonder if he'll develop a jumpshot.

  
  Please, don't let the spin doctor fool you.
  
  Also, he's 6'9'' and very athletic, I doubt he's going to have trouble creating a shot.
• sportswizuhrd

  Caller on ABAO says the Cavs should take Irving and Alec Burks from Colorado at 1 and 4. He says Irving is just like Chris Paul. Not agreeing with this at all.
• GOONx19

  

  As long they don't take Valanciunas I don't see how they could end up with a bad draft.
• BR1986FB

  GOONx19;807219 wrote:As long they don't take Valanciunas I don't see how they could end up with a bad draft.

  
  Agreed
• sexysallyhoffer15

  

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• Crimson streak

  

  hoops23;807176 wrote:Wait, what? That's NOT what he's saying. In fact, it's not even close. He said DWill needs to develop a jumpshot, period. There was no gray area in his inital post. He didn't say anything about shooting over taller guys or creating his own shot until he got called out and proven wrong about his initial statement.
  
  Just look at this:
  
  
  Please, don't let the spin doctor fool you.
  
  Also, he's 6'9'' and very athletic, I doubt he's going to have trouble creating a shot.

  
  I didn't read back that far so I thought that was what he was trying to say. If he really said he needs to develop a jump shot then that's retarded lol
• TigerNation10

  

  sportswizuhrd;807216 wrote:Caller on ABAO says the Cavs should take Irving and Alec Burks from Colorado at 1 and 4. He says Irving is just like Chris Paul. Not agreeing with this at all.

  Saying Irving is like Paul is very valid. Irving is not like Rose or Westbrook where they are superb athletes and jumping out of the gym. Irving is more of a pure point guard like Paul but with more height and still a great athlete.
  
  Burks wouldn't be terrible just because he would be an upgrade at the 2 spot but I don't believe you pass on Kanter or Williams.
• Wooball

  

  GOONx19;807219 wrote:As long they don't take Valanciunas I don't see how they could end up with a bad draft.

  
  I haven't seen enough of Valanciunas to have a strong opinion one way or the other about him, but I'm just curious why you think this?
• KR1245

  

  Wooball;807328 wrote:I haven't seen enough of Valanciunas to have a strong opinion one way or the other about him, but I'm just curious why you think this?

  
  This. I know that there are quite a few people who seem to think he will be the best Euro big in the draft. I know that he has an interesting contract situation
  
  Anyways, looks like the Cavs are starting to open up the Rudy Gay talks again
  According to Amico the Cavs have also talked to the Hawks about Josh Smith
  
  Alot of rumors out there right now, Thursday should be interesting
• Commander of Awesome

  

  KR1245;807409 wrote:This. I know that there are quite a few people who seem to think he will be the best Euro big in the draft. I know that he has an interesting contract situation
  
  Anyways, looks like the Cavs are starting to open up the Rudy Gay talks again
  According to Amico the Cavs have also talked to the Hawks about Josh Smith
  
  Alot of rumors out there right now, Thursday should be interesting

  Where are you reading this?
• jordo212000

  

  KR1245;807409 wrote:Anyways, looks like the Cavs are starting to open up the Rudy Gay talks again
  According to Amico the Cavs have also talked to the Hawks about Josh Smith

  
  What else is involved in these talks?
• hoops23

  

  No to Josh Smith.
• Midstate01

  

  Hell no to Josh smith. Can't hit a jumper to save his life
• jordo212000

  

  Hell no to Josh smith. Can't hit a jumper to save his life

  Derrick Williams is even a better shooter! Haha