2011 Cleveland Cavalier Offseason/Draft

• Commander of Awesome

  

  ^ lol pwned.
• hoops23

  

  Yea, a jumpshot isn't in question with Williams. That's one of his pros. His post game is a question mark, as is his size to be a legit 4. His ball handling is in question if he's a 3. I just don't like the thought of taking a 'tweener' at #1. Irving is a sure thing IMO.
• jordo212000

  

  Ok, well I know that when I watched him in the tourney I saw a disproportionate amount of his points coming from dunks or within 5 ft. from the bucket. He really didn't shoot very many 3s over the course of the season either. He shot 74 over the course of the season. I could be wrong though, I will acknowledge that. I just know that when I watched, I didn't notice him stretching the floor much.
  
  My other point still remains though. He definitely has a PF skillset, but he is the size of a SF. A little undersized. Can he cover the top SFs in the league?
• hoops23

  

  Huh? He went 5/6 from 3 against Duke in the sweet 16 and was 11/17 overall in that game. Just stop.
• jordo212000

  

  hoops23;806788 wrote:Huh? He went 5/6 from 3 against Duke in the sweet 16 and was 11/17 overall in that game. Just stop.

  
  That was an aberration IMO. He shot 4 total in the previous two tourney games and then made 1 out of 6 in the last game. Shooting 3s isn't his game.
• hoops23

  

  Lol, ok jordo. Keep spinning anyway you want to. Hrs a great 3 point shooter and it's not a weakness like you claimed.
• sleeper

  

  jordo212000;806790 wrote:That was an aberration IMO. He shot 4 total in the previous two tourney games and then made 1 out of 6 in the last game. Shooting 3s isn't his game.

  
  He shot 56.8% from the 3 during the season. LOL
  
  Admit you're wrong.
• september63

  

  sleeper;806839 wrote:He shot 56.8% from the 3 during the season. LOL
  
  Admit you're wrong.

  
  Jordo doesnt like the facts to get in the way of his arguments.
• jordo212000

  

  He shot 56.8% from the 3 during the season. LOL
  
  Admit you're wrong.

  
  Jordo doesnt like the facts to get in the way of his arguments.

  We'll see if that part of his game translates to the NBA. I already admitted that I only watched him in the tourney and wasn't overly impressed with his range.
• sleeper

  

  jordo212000;806843 wrote:We'll see if that part of his game translates to the NBA. I already admitted that I only watched him in the tourney and wasn't overly impressed with his range.

  
  So he shot 43.8% in his 4 tournaments games from the 3. If that's an aberration worthy of claiming him a poor outside shooter, then you don't know shit about basketball.
  
  Admit you're wrong.
• Mulva

  

  Williams isn't a shooter in my opinion. Not saying he can't shoot (he obviously can), I'm saying he isn't a shooter.
  
  Most of the outside shots he took in the Zona games I saw were open, spotted up, set shots, which is something he won't have the luxury of as frequently in the NBA. He didn't shoot coming off of screens, off the dribble, etc., which he would need to be able to do as a 3 in the NBA.
• jordo212000

  

  We'll see if that part of his game translates to the NBA. I already admitted that I only watched him in the tourney and wasn't overly impressed with his range.

  
  So he shot 43.8% in his 4 tournaments games from the 3. If that's an aberration worthy of claiming him a poor outside shooter, then you don't know shit about basketball.
  
  Admit you're wrong.

  Take away the game I'm claiming is an abberation and tell me what his percentage was
• devil1197

  Fact is Williams shot well from deep all season long.
  
  If we are going to argue about his weaknesses, shooting is not one of them.
• Mulva

  

  Good lord Druby.
• sleeper

  

  jordo212000;806856 wrote:Take away the game I'm claiming is an abberation and tell me what his percentage was

  
  So you can pick one game out of a season of 30+ and claim all other games were an aberration? Do you know what the definition of an aberration is?
  
  You've been ruined, just admit you're wrong and we can move on.
• jordo212000

  

  Take away the game I'm claiming is an abberation and tell me what his percentage was

  
  So you can pick one game out of a season of 30+ and claim all other games were an aberration? Do you know what the definition of an aberration is?
  
  You've been ruined, just admit you're wrong and we can move on.

  I didn't say he sucked, just didn't think he was as good a shooter as he is made out to be. I want to see what happens when he has a taller defender on him. Can he take him off the dribble and hit a jumper? Didn't see him do that much. What about his post game? Can he back down taller defenders?
• sleeper

  

  jordo212000;806876 wrote:I didn't say he sucked, just didn't think he was as good a shooter as he is made out to be. I want to see what happens when he has a taller defender on him. Can he take him off the dribble and hit a jumper? Didn't see him do that much. What about his post game? Can he back down taller defenders?

  
  If 56.8% from the 3 and 59.5% from the field isn't as "good a shooter as he is made out to be", I'd like you to identify who you consider a good shooter.
  
  This should be hilarious, just admit you're wrong, this is embarrassing.
• hoops23

  

  Can't believe jordo is still arguing this point.
• like_that

  

  WOW Jordo, just say you are wrong. What a joke. Actually do us all a favor and just leave this thread. Like S&L has said before, you are the worst.
• jordo212000

  

  I didn't say he sucked, just didn't think he was as good a shooter as he is made out to be. I want to see what happens when he has a taller defender on him. Can he take him off the dribble and hit a jumper? Didn't see him do that much. What about his post game? Can he back down taller defenders?

  
  If 56.8% from the 3 and 59.5% from the field isn't as "good a shooter as he is made out to be", I'd like you to identify who you consider a good shooter.
  
  This should be hilarious, just admit you're wrong, this is embarrassing.

  Why should I admit I am wrong? I think he is a great player, just have some questions. I have said earlier thread I thought he was a clear number 2. His height and ability to shoot contested shots against taller players is my main problem with him. Especially when his post moves consist of dunking on overwhelmed PAC 10 competition
• sleeper

  

  You didn't answer my question, who is a good shooter?
• hoops23

  

  Lol
• Commander of Awesome

  

  sleeper;806851 wrote:So he shot 43.8% in his 4 tournaments games from the 3. If that's an aberration worthy of claiming him a poor outside shooter, then you don't know shit about basketball.
  
  Admit you're wrong.

  
  LMAO, havent seen a beat down this bad in a while. Typical BS from Jordo, he's either a troll, and idiot, or more likely, a trolling idiot.
• jordo212000

  

  So he shot 43.8% in his 4 tournaments games from the 3. If that's an aberration worthy of claiming him a poor outside shooter, then you don't know shit about basketball.
  
  Admit you're wrong.

  
  LMAO, havent see a beat down this bad in a while. Typical BS from Jordo, he's either a troll, and idiot, or more likely, a trolling idiot.

  Who am I trolling?
  
  Sleeper, since when does expressing doubt about whether an undersized 4 can shoot over taller players and shoot off the dribble equal calling him a "bad" shooter? He is the consensus number 2 guy. My original point was that Irving was a much safer pick
• Commander of Awesome

  

  jordo212000;806905 wrote:Who am I trolling?
  
  Sleeper, since when does expressing doubt about whether an undersized 4 can shoot over taller players and shoot off the dribble equal calling him a "bad" shooter? He is the consensus number 2 guy. My original point was that Irving was a much safer pick

  
  Answer's sleeper's question.