Cavs/Bulls 4: The Death of Noah

• devil1197

  ytownfootball wrote: I don't want anybody missing for the finals (if we get there) even if it is Wedge.

  I do.
  
  If he is so sure that Shaq will not play more than 18 mpg then lets put something on the line.
  
  I should have done this when the idiot said Jamison was a terrible trade and that he shouldn't play at all in the playoffs.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Footwedge wrote: Why is Shaq sitting on the bench so much?
  

  So says the guy who is bitching about how much playing time he's getting.
• Footwedge

  RedBlackAttack wrote:

  Footwedge wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote: Not to mention the fact that this is a team game, and Shaq's presence alone helps us defensively because he clogs the lane and it takes a great move to get around him because of his size. Helps our perimeter defenders rotate better because he can hold it down by himself. It's not all about stopping Dwight Howard. It's about beating the Magic.

  What an idiotic reply...no surprise there. JJ hickson has playrd much better help side dee than Shaq. Shaq can't move. Rose goes to the hole, and Shaq stands there watching layups.
  
  The +/- over the course of the year has shown that Shaq has been horrible. When the stats are that far eskewed, one has to be an idiot not to understand what's happening.

  Glen Davis has been the best player in the league this postseason according to +/-. It is an incredibly flawed statistic.

  If it is so "incredibly flawed, then why does the league even provide it? If it's so incredibly flawed, then why did LeBron have the best plus/minus in the league this year?
• RedBlackAttack

  

  Footwedge wrote:

  RedBlackAttack wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: The Cavs DO NOT play the samed way offensiveky when shaq's on the floor. I should stop right here...because obviously you don't pat very close attention.

  lol
  
  This f#cking guy.
  
  The Cavs will occasionally play a more up-tempo style just to change things up, but the halfcourt, slow-it-down game has been the Cavs' style for yeras and years... Basically since Mike Brown took over.
  
  In fact, this year, they play more up-tempo than in any year prior under Brown.
  

  Footwedge wrote:When Shaq's on the court, they dump it in to him almost every time down the court on the low bglock. It os slow, and percentage wise, not good basketball..and hurts our offense. Do we also dumo it down to JJ? How about Andy? No we don't. We run backscreens and cuts and high pick and rolls.

  We play through Shaq because he presents matchup problems and he is also an excellent passer. So, we give it to him in the post to force the defense to make a move. Either they come with the double and an extra body and then we move the ball to the open man or he will overpower smaller defenders one-on-one (as you saw against Noah in Game 1).
  
  We don't give the ball to Varejao or JJ in the post because neither of those guys are capable of creating their own shots, let alone creating shots for others.
  
  Hickson can be good when others set him up with easy layups or shots around the rim. Varejao is good on little back door cuts and getting second shots around the basket.
  
  But, both of those guys are incredibly limited offensively and neither of them have ANY semblance of a post game.
  
  

  Footwedge wrote:Again...don't take my word for it...look up the numbers.

  Ok... Let's look at the numbers.
  
  Shaq took seven shots today... SEVEN. And he made three of them.
  
  In Game 3, he took eight shots.
  
  In Game 2, he took FOUR shots.
  
  In Game 1, he took his series high of nine shots, but he also made five of those.
  
  Shoots every time down, you say? What game are you watching?
  

  He shoots a lot...and has been missing a lot.

  Wrong and wrong.
  
  

  Footwedge wrote:I'm not saying that JJ will stop him every time, but he will be a lot better than the turtle will be. And with Hickson on the court, the offense will not suffer nearly as much.

  Hickson is not nearly big enough or strong enough to defend Howard... Ever. That should be blatantly obvious to everyone and anyone.

  There is so much BS is your response it's hardly worth my time to respond. Shaq's shot numbers were low because Brownie yanked his ass off the court because bioth he and the team were not doing well....at all.
  
  If you can't understand that the team as a whole is playing poorly with him on the court, then there's nothing I can do for you. again...there is a reason shaq isn't playing....the coach has set his ass down. Why is Shaq sitting on the bench so much?
  
  Are you the expert or is Brownie the expert? Are you the expert or is LeBron the expert?...you know LeBron...the guy who stated publicly that Shaq is killing the team?
  
  LOL. So many blind fans...incredible.

  The reason Shaq doesn't play as many minutes in Round 1 as he will down the line is because he is not a good matchup with Chicago. They have undersized, athletic bigs that are capable of pulling centers out of the paint with an outside game. That is exactly the kind of team that Shaq, at his age, does not do well against.
  
  Even still, he is playing 20 minutes per game which is about what I expected. He wasn't brought to Cleveland to be an integral part of the team against an opponent like Chicago.
  
  He is here for Orlando and LA. Wait and see.
• Footwedge

  SQ_Crazies wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: Why is Shaq sitting on the bench so much?
  

  So says the guy who is bitching about how much playing time he's getting.

  Answer the fuggin question.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Because it's somewhat relevant when looked at in certain ways and it's easy for a computer to figure it out. But like I said, you just ignore stats that are far more relevant and you act like that is all there is.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Footwedge wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: Why is Shaq sitting on the bench so much?
  

  So says the guy who is bitching about how much playing time he's getting.

  Answer the fuggin question.

  We've all answered the fuggin question you flaming bitch.
• ytownfootball

  

  Did Shaq get pulled right after his third foul?
  
  thought so
• devil1197

  Shaq is sitting because he doesn't match up well in this series, plus he was in foul trouble today which will reduce minutes.
  
  Playoffs are about match ups, just look at the Orlando series last year.
  
  Cleveland brought Shaq in to match up defensively with Howard.
  
  Like I said, I am siding with one of the best GM's in the game over some poster online.
• Footwedge

  RedBlackAttack wrote: Hickson is not nearly big enough or strong enough to defend Howard... Ever. That should be blatantly obvious to everyone and anyone.

  Hickson did a great job defending Howard. You don't pay attention at all. JJ blocked a couple of his shots the last time they played.
  
  Noboby will completely stop him. But the Cavs will do much better overall if Shaq is on the pine.
  
  You're an idiot. It's that simple.
• devil1197

  JJ will not, cannot, nor ever will be able to guard Howard effectively over a 7 game series.
• ytownfootball

  

  Did JJ get Howard any fouls?
• RedBlackAttack

  

  Footwedge wrote:

  RedBlackAttack wrote:

  Footwedge wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote: Not to mention the fact that this is a team game, and Shaq's presence alone helps us defensively because he clogs the lane and it takes a great move to get around him because of his size. Helps our perimeter defenders rotate better because he can hold it down by himself. It's not all about stopping Dwight Howard. It's about beating the Magic.

  What an idiotic reply...no surprise there. JJ hickson has playrd much better help side dee than Shaq. Shaq can't move. Rose goes to the hole, and Shaq stands there watching layups.
  
  The +/- over the course of the year has shown that Shaq has been horrible. When the stats are that far eskewed, one has to be an idiot not to understand what's happening.

  Glen Davis has been the best player in the league this postseason according to +/-. It is an incredibly flawed statistic.

  If it is so "incredibly flawed, then why does the league even provide it? If it's so incredibly flawed, then why did LeBron have the best plus/minus in the league this year?

  So... You are on record as saying that Davis has been the best player through four playoff games? Because, if you agree that he hasn't been, you are agreeing to the fact that it is a flawed statistic.
  
  LeBron was so dominant this year, it was reflected in every statistic. The fact that LeBron led the league in plus/minus means that it is bullet proof? The players on the best teams will always be high on the plus/minus board over the course of a season, because their teams will have had the lead for the majority of their games.
  
  This year, the Cavs had two players in the Top 5 plus/minus... The Magic had two and the Lakers had the other spot. It is a very predictable statistic that tells you virtually nothing except for who the best teams have been.
• Footwedge

  ytownfootball wrote: Did Shaq get pulled right after his third foul?
  
  thought so

  No he didn't. You don't pay attention. Moreover, it doesn't matter. What is important to know...Shaq's minutes have been drastically cut regardless of fouls. Thank God Brownie's the coach and not you.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  God you get destroyed in every single thread and you still come back for more...give you props for that at least.
• ytownfootball

  

  Yes, footer, he went right to the pine after his second foul (not third). Go look the fucker up.
• RedBlackAttack

  

  Footwedge wrote:

  RedBlackAttack wrote: Hickson is not nearly big enough or strong enough to defend Howard... Ever. That should be blatantly obvious to everyone and anyone.

  Hickson did a great job defending Howard. You don't pay attention at all. JJ blocked a couple of his shots the last time they played.
  
  Noboby will completely stop him. But the Cavs will do much better overall if Shaq is on the pine.
  
  You're an idiot. It's that simple.

  So says the guy who is lobbying for JJ to play the majority of the minutes against Orlando when he posted the astonishingly horrid averages of 4.5 points on 8-21 (38%) shooting and just 2.7 rebounds in the four games against them during the season.
  
  But, you 'pay attention,' right?
• Footwedge

  RedBlackAttack wrote: LeBron was so dominant this year, it was reflected in every statistic. The fact that LeBron led the league in plus/minus means that it is bullet proof? The players on the best teams will always be high on the plus/minus board over the course of a season, because their teams will have had the lead for the majority of their games.

  Well no shit Einstein...the best team's will a have an aggregate best +/-. The point is that Shaq's +/;- was horrible IN COMPARISON WITH THE REST OF THE TEAM.
  

  This year, the Cavs had two players in the Top 5 plus/minus... The Magic had two and the Lakers had the other spot. It is a very predictable statistic that tells you virtually nothing except for who the best teams have been.

  I ask you yet again Einstein, why does the league record it if it's so worthless?
  
  The stat is what it is. It shows how the team has done with that player on the court. When shaq's been on the court, the Cavs have done MUCH WORSE than when his ass has been on the bench.
  
  But it's much more than plus/minus. When the star player rips a teammate after 3 pathetic playoff games, it's pretty clear to those with a brain that there's a problem here.
  
  Shaq will get low minutes throughout the remainder of the playoffs. He has no one to blame but himself.
  
  Thank God the coaches have seen it. It's a shame that the chatter heads here haven't.
• ytownfootball

  

  You want to make it about the Bulls series...fine, Shaq ain't kickin' ass in this series.
  
  But...
  
  He isn't needed in this series
  He wasn't brought here for this series
  Brown knows it
  LeBron knows it
  Shaq knows it
  Ferry knows it
  I know it
  
  Why don't you get it?
• sleeper

  

  Why do you guys feed wedge? He was wrong about Jamison, and he's wrong about Shaq. Shaq isn't going to beat Chicago, but he will be a big asset against Orlando and the Lakers.
• devil1197

  Seems that someone doesn't want to put a bet where his big mouth is!!!!
  
  Come on Wedgie, don't want to get owned again like the Jamison topic?
• hoops23

  

  Antawn has been beasting these playoffs. I don't think he's missed a FT either.
• devil1197

  AJ is 10 of 12 from the FT line.
  
  Pretty good along with his 49% FG and 18/8.
  
  LOLz at not playing him in the playoffs.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  LTrain23 wrote: Antawn has been beasting these playoffs. I don't think he's missed a FT either.

  Didn't we even go as far as informing FW that Jamison's FT shooting would be fine in the playoffs?
• Footwedge

  RedBlackAttack wrote:

  Footwedge wrote:

  RedBlackAttack wrote: Hickson is not nearly big enough or strong enough to defend Howard... Ever. That should be blatantly obvious to everyone and anyone.

  Hickson did a great job defending Howard. You don't pay attention at all. JJ blocked a couple of his shots the last time they played.
  
  Noboby will completely stop him. But the Cavs will do much better overall if Shaq is on the pine.
  
  You're an idiot. It's that simple.

  So says the guy who is lobbying for JJ to play the majority of the minutes against Orlando when he posted the astonishingly horrid averages of 4.5 points on 8-21 (38%) shooting and just 2.7 rebounds in the four games against them during the season.
  
  But, you 'pay attention,' right?

  Astonishingly horrid? LMAO. In how many minutes? Secondly, nobody....and I mean nobody on this board will not rave at the improvement of Hickson as the season progressed. Do you want me to show you the team's W/L record with him starting...vs. Shaq? i didn't think so.
  
  Like I said...the majority of Cav fans agree with me. Tthey've watched the season unfold...they have seen the pathetic games Shaq has had...and they are almost unanimously calling for JJ to get more minutes. And if not JJ, then Andy.
  
  Why is that?
  
  Just because you, the Devil and Square think so...doesn't make it so. Trust me.
  
  If you're so bound an determined to be "right" on this debate..then post a fuggin poll on the subject.
  
  Who's better? Shaq or JJ right now.