Ebola......Now on our shores. what happens next?

• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  WebFire;1662311 wrote:I didn't say it wasn't self explanatory. I said it was dumb.

  Again... I thought it was pretty self explanatory. Perhaps you're missing the point.
• queencitybuckeye

  Worthy of mention that the Deputy does not have Ebola.
• Belly35

  

  Rabbits are a serious mammalian pest and invasive species in Australia causing millions of dollars of damage to crops. Rabbits were introduced to Australia in the 18th century with the First Fleet and became widespread after an outbreak caused by an 1859 release. Various methods in the 20th century have been attempted to control the population. Conventional methods include shooting rabbits and destroying their warrens, but these had only limited success. Rabbits are not native to Australia and the same for boars but to stop the spread of those animal is a never ending battle ..
  
  
  A few years ago, Jim Vich would not have dreamed of setting up an elaborate trap to catch wild hogs.
  
  But that was before Oklahoma was invaded by a plague of pigs that devour crops, uproot pastures, destroy wildlife habitats, spread disease to humans and animals, kill trees and even knock over cemetery stones.
  
  "I started trapping them more or less in self-defense," said Vich, 60, a livestock farmer in northeast Oklahoma. "They were tearing up my place."
  
  Oklahoma is battling a wild pig problem that has spread across the United States. The pigs, evolved from introduced wild boars or from escaped domestic stock, are prevalent in 36 states and have been sighted in 47 states, according to authorities who track their populations.
  
  
  Two example of the spread of animals and how quickly and how difficult it is to stop the spread … now just think about Ebola and the potential spread and how quick it could over take the medical resources.
  
  Close our borders, stop the fights and export those in American who have traveled in the past six months to those countries and those American that have traveled have them report to the hospital for medical evaluation ASAP.
• gut

  There have been many (dozens?) of Ebola outbreaks in Africa over the past few decades. Rarely has it made it outside of the borders. But look at just how many cases are in Africa currently - it's not spreading like "wildfire" and the OECD countries ARE more equipped to contain and treat it.
  
  This just isn't going to break out in some mass plague or epidemic in the US. Sure, anyone can come up with scenarios where it does. Those scenarios are all EXTREMELY unlikely. It's pretty clear the transmission efficacy is relatively low, and it has to be otherwise a disease that mimics flu and other illnesses and is contagious for 21+ days and highly deadly would have already about wiped us out by now.
• WebFire

  Scarlet_Buckeye;1662312 wrote:Again... I thought it was pretty self explanatory. Perhaps you're missing the point.

  No, the point of the graph was quite clear. And not very well thought out.
• queencitybuckeye

  Belly35;1662319 wrote: Close our borders, stop the fights and export those in American who have traveled in the past six months to those countries and those American that have traveled have them report to the hospital for medical evaluation ASAP.

  Yes, the zero Americans who have contracted Ebola on our shores certainly justifies such drastic action.
• friendfromlowry

  Belly35;1662319 wrote:Rabbits are a serious mammalian pest and invasive species in Australia causing millions of dollars of damage to crops. Rabbits were introduced to Australia in the 18th century with the First Fleet and became widespread after an outbreak caused by an 1859 release. Various methods in the 20th century have been attempted to control the population. Conventional methods include shooting rabbits and destroying their warrens, but these had only limited success. Rabbits are not native to Australia and the same for boars but to stop the spread of those animal is a never ending battle ..
  
  
  A few years ago, Jim Vich would not have dreamed of setting up an elaborate trap to catch wild hogs.
  
  But that was before Oklahoma was invaded by a plague of pigs that devour crops, uproot pastures, destroy wildlife habitats, spread disease to humans and animals, kill trees and even knock over cemetery stones.
  
  "I started trapping them more or less in self-defense," said Vich, 60, a livestock farmer in northeast Oklahoma. "They were tearing up my place."
  
  Oklahoma is battling a wild pig problem that has spread across the United States. The pigs, evolved from introduced wild boars or from escaped domestic stock, are prevalent in 36 states and have been sighted in 47 states, according to authorities who track their populations.
  
  
  Two example of the spread of animals and how quickly and how difficult it is to stop the spread … now just think about Ebola and the potential spread and how quick it could over take the medical resources.
  
  Close our borders, stop the fights and export those in American who have traveled in the past six months to those countries and those American that have traveled have them report to the hospital for medical evaluation ASAP.

  Comparing the spread of wild animals to countries/environments that are new to them vs. disease. Outstanding argument.
  
  Take a look at this website:
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/health/how-ebola-spreads/
  
  Ebola actually is one of the least contagious diseases out there. As I've said before, it runs rampant in third world countries without healthcare, standard precautions like being able to wash your hands whenever. That, and cultural rituals like literally burying their dead by hand -- the same dead who died from Ebola.
  
  We don't need to close any borders. We just need to be more mindful about tracking people coming from west Africa. They're already starting to implement plans in major airports. Of course, it'd be nice if people were more responsible. If anyone presents to an emergency room with symptoms, they shouldn't hesitate to admit they've recently been to Africa. It should also be the first question healthcare officials ask.
  
  Edit: Oh you know what else? Stop panicking over what the media tells you. Yesterday BR mentions that a cop is showing symptoms. And look what happens today: The guy doesn't have Ebola. Hearing that everything is fine and dandy and we aren't facing an Ebola epidemic doesn't draw people to watch the news. Reporting every time someone has a fever might, though, in their eyes.
• gut

  friendfromlowry;1662393 wrote: Ebola actually is one of the least contagious diseases out there.

  Ehhhh, the sim you linked shows a reproductive ratio for flu about 1-3X and small pox 1.5-3.5X....so I would say that's pretty contagious. But slow enough that it can be contained (and the fatality rate affects the response and "radar", just as smallpox would if it reappeared).
  
  I don't know how accurate those numbers are, as those infection rates may be apples-to-oranges (Ebola based from 3rd world sample, flu and smallpox and others includes developed world).
  
  The guy who died was contagious and went home and was around plenty of people in that time, and so far no one else infected. So it seems to me in the US it wouldn't spread anything close to 1/3 as fast as the flu. There's a reason every doomsday bio-warfare movie talks about "weaponized" as being airborne.
• friendfromlowry

  gut;1662409 wrote:Ehhhh, the sim you linked shows a reproductive ratio for flu about 1-3X and small pox 1.5-3.5X....so I would say that's pretty contagious. But slow enough that it can be contained (and the fatality rate affects the response and "radar", just as smallpox would if it reappeared).

  I'm particularly unimpressed because Ebola isn't even airborne. It's mindblowing to me how unsanitary you have to be to catch it. That's why I don't understand the hype, but do blame it on the media driving it for ratings. Ebola patients are contagious when they're showing symptoms, which are similar to the flu. I don't know about anyone else, but when someone has a fever, N&V&D, aches, etc. -- I avoid being near them.
• Tiernan

  Yeah let's allow it here and wait until it mutates and becomes passable airborne. Have you fools never watched a single pandemic movie?
• GoChiefs

  

  A second person has tested positive.
• Tiernan

  GoChiefs;1662685 wrote:A second person has tested positive.

  White or Black?
• Belly35

  

  Tiernan;1662845 wrote:White or Black?

  Is Ebola racist
• Tiernan

  According to Jesse Jackson earlier this week the medical profession is only saving white people that have the disease.
• Ironman92

  

  GoChiefs;1662685 wrote:A second person has tested positive.

  One of the nurses?
• Tiernan

  Plane landed in Los Angeles loaded with Ebola carriers...it's being isolated as we speak.
• Belly35

  

  CDC .... Breach of protocol = fucking clueless
• Tiernan

  Nurse in Dallas has it now. Doesn't anybody in charge of this shit see how this thing is spinning out of control?
• gut

  Tiernan;1663255 wrote:Nurse in Dallas has it now. Doesn't anybody in charge of this shit see how this thing is spinning out of control?

  Yes, a 3rd case in the US would qualify as a full-blown epidemic.
• Tiernan

  gut;1663284 wrote:Yes, a 3rd case in the US would qualify as a full-blown epidemic.

  Remember this quote when there are a 1,000 dead by Christmas and the Natl Guard patrols the streets.
• gut

  Tiernan;1663294 wrote:Remember this quote when there are a 1,000 dead by Christmas and the Natl Guard patrols the streets.

  Still a fraction of the people who die from flu every year.
• queencitybuckeye

  Tiernan;1663255 wrote:Nurse in Dallas has it now. Doesn't anybody in charge of this shit see how this thing is spinning out of control?

  Not sure which would be more pathetic, that someone would troll this subject, or that he really thinks this.
• Belly35

  

  Winter coming soon and so does the flu season .... the doctors and the hospital will be overly burden ... Obama care program becoming a bigger failure and more people without coverage..... three more cases and the pantic all starts rolling ...
• Heretic

  

  queencitybuckeye;1663354 wrote:Not sure which would be more pathetic, that someone would troll this subject, or that he really thinks this.

  Or the poster above my post and below your post apparently trying to use a couple cases of Ebola as another justification for one of his random poli rants.
  
  "Someone got sick somewhere?!?!? ERMAHGERD OBAMA!!!!!"
• friendfromlowry

  Belly35;1663355 wrote:Winter coming soon and so does the flu season .... the doctors and the hospital will be overly burden ... Obama care program becoming a bigger failure and more people without coverage..... three more cases and the pantic all starts rolling ...

  This thread is about the Ebola virus. If you'd like to discuss President Barack Obama, please create a separate thread and do so there. Thank you.