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thavoice

ccrunner609;1678955 wrote:i have seen MB mom on two different TV interviews....she is batshit crazy. Making false accusations left and right and assumptions on the whole situation just to fit her narrative.

The cameras need to be shut off and everyone needs to sit back and look at the facts.

Funny they havent been including his step dad in the interviews and ask him about the whole "burn this place down" quotes!

sherm03

thavoice;1679130 wrote:Funny they havent been including his step dad in the interviews and ask him about the whole "burn this place down" quotes!

They have been. I saw an interview where they flat out said, "some people feel that you're responsible for getting the crowd whipped into a frenzy with your comments and saying burn this bitch down" and he said that they had just found out the decision about 10 minutes before and was very angry/upset. He said it's no excuse for saying that. But he isn't responsible because those people made their own decision to riot and loot and they would have done it whether or not he said that.

queencitybuckeye

One thing I've not seen explained is that even if you accept the notion that the grand jury case was blown and it was a blatantly bad shooting, why is it assumed that it was racially motivated? Is that not in itself racism?

Con_Alma

queencitybuckeye;1679137 wrote:One thing I've not seen explained is that even if you accept the notion that the grand jury case was blown and it was a blatantly bad shooting, why is it assumed that it was racially motivated? Is that not in itself racism?

I've asked this question several times in several different ways with no formidable explanation.

thavoice

sherm03;1679136 wrote:They have been. I saw an interview where they flat out said, "some people feel that you're responsible for getting the crowd whipped into a frenzy with your comments and saying burn this bitch down" and he said that they had just found out the decision about 10 minutes before and was very angry/upset. He said it's no excuse for saying that. But he isn't responsible because those people made their own decision to riot and loot and they would have done it whether or not he said that.

Gotcha....saw his mom and dad on a few but not his stepdad.

He thinks he wasnt responsible? ALl it takes is a very small few people to start something and then the mob mentality takes over.

sherm03

thavoice;1679167 wrote:Gotcha....saw his mom and dad on a few but not his stepdad.

He thinks he wasnt responsible? ALl it takes is a very small few people to start something and then the mob mentality takes over.

I definitely get your point. But to be honest, I wouldn't put that on him. Did he help contribute to it? Definitely. But I wouldn't say he's responsible. It was going to happen whether he said that or not. That probably just egged things on a bit more.

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queencitybuckeye;1679137 wrote:One thing I've not seen explained is that even if you accept the notion that the grand jury case was blown and it was a blatantly bad shooting, why is it assumed that it was racially motivated? Is that not in itself racism?

Bc the whole reason people are protesting is over the fact of systemic racism. The grand jury has nothing to do with it. It's about police treatment of minorities.

sherm03

ccrunner609;1679300 wrote:you know Manson never killed anyone.......Hitler didn't kill one jew either

Ordering people directly to murder others and getting caught up in your emotions after hearing, what you feel to be, devastating news, are two completely different things.

However, under the definition of the law, it would not be a stretch to see him arrested, charged, and convicted with inciting a riot. As I said, I don't think him saying that made any difference. The riots were going to happen anyways. It wasn't like him saying that flipped a switch for the mob of people and made them say, "well, shit, he's right...we should burn this bitch down." He could have not said anything and they would have done the same thing.

In my mind, there's a difference between helping to contribute to it happening, and being responsible. I already said that I think he helped contribute to everything. But I don't think he's responsible for the riots.

queencitybuckeye

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1679303 wrote:Bc the whole reason people are protesting is over the fact of systemic racism. The grand jury has nothing to do with it. It's about police treatment of minorities.

It's not a fact. You either don't understand what the word means, or you're a liar.

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queencitybuckeye;1679310 wrote:It's not a fact. You either don't understand what the word means, or you're a liar.

Coming from a guy who offers the claim that it's racist to talk about racism, it's a safe bet you don't understand systemic racism.

HitsRus

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1679303 wrote:Bc the whole reason people are protesting is over the fact of systemic racism. The grand jury has nothing to do with it. It's about police treatment of minorities.

....So easy to buy into the narrative that the media and the race baiters feed you. It's also about respect for law enforcement and their authority, and no one talks about that. If you don't want to be hassled by the police, don't commit crimes, repect their authority, stop when they tell you to.....it's just common sense. Now if you do those things, and you are abused, then you have something to bitch about. MB is not worthy of martrydom.

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The thing that makes this funny is there is absolute truth in it.

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HitsRus;1679331 wrote:....So easy to buy into the narrative that the media and the race baiters feed you. It's also about respect for law enforcement and their authority, and no one talks about that. If you don't want to be hassled by the police, don't commit crimes, repect their authority, stop when they tell you to.....it's just common sense. Now if you do those things, and you are abused, then you have something to bitch about. MB is not worthy of martrydom.

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The thing that makes this funny is there is absolute truth in it.

What's not easy is to actually talk about racism. No one wants to admit it's still there and admit it's still a problem and no one surely wants to acknowledge that it's engrained in our legal system and law enforcement. Was Mike Brown shot bc he was black? No I don't think Wilson looked at him and said I'm gonna kill this ****** today. But I'd be willing to bet he did approach him and his friend bc he was black and he did hassle him bc he was black and he ended up justifying that he needed to kill MB bc he's a scary black man who's going to kill me if I dont. Was MB innocent in this? No I doubt that. But don't try to lie to yourself and say race played no part in this incident.

HitsRus

^^^^Oh , race sure did play a part in it....but it runs both ways. Most importantly, it starts with respect for authority and teaching your kids to respect authority.

This incident started with larceny and failure to comply with an officer's request to stop. None of that is race related. This whole incident may not be related to race at all...it's just easy to say it is because it involves a white cop and a black kid, and there are plenty who would want you to believe that whether it is true or not.
Sure, there remains some racial inequailty in the United States.....and there are also those who would exploit that for their own gain whether a particular incident is racial or not.

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HitsRus;1679338 wrote:^^^^Oh , race sure did play a part in it....but it runs both ways. Most importantly, it starts with respect for authority and teaching your kids to respect authority.

This incident started with larceny and failure to comply with an officer's request to stop. None of that is race related. This whole incident may not be related to race at all...it's just easy to say it is because it involves a white cop and a black kid, and there are plenty who would want you to believe that whether it is true or not.
Sure, there remains some racial inequailty in the United States.....and there are also those who would exploit that for their own gain whether a particular incident is racial or not.

No it started bc they were walking in the street. They admitted he had no idea MB committed a robery. I don't believe for a second Wilson asked him politely to go to the sidewalk like he claims. I'm sure he had choice words for him which instigated the situation. And I'm sure MB had choice words for him the further escalated the situation. I'm also sure he wouldn't have made it a point to even say anything to him if they were 2 white kids. Don't lie to yourself and say it wasn't race related at all. That's the whole reason it still exists today bc we allow ourselves to lie and say oh I'm sure it wasn't about race.

FatHobbit

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1679339 wrote:No it started bc they were walking in the street. They admitted he had no idea MB committed a robery. I don't believe for a second Wilson asked him politely to go to the sidewalk like he claims. I'm sure he had choice words for him which instigated the situation. And I'm sure MB had choice words for him the further escalated the situation. I'm also sure he wouldn't have made it a point to even say anything to him if they were 2 white kids. Don't lie to yourself and say it wasn't race related at all. That's the whole reason it still exists today bc we allow ourselves to lie and say oh I'm sure it wasn't about race.

Do you think it would have gone down differently if it would have been a black cop?

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FatHobbit;1679344 wrote:Do you think it would have gone down differently if it would have been a black cop?

Hard to say. He may still have harassed him. MB might have responded differently. Maybe maybe not.

I am a proponent of having your police force reflect your community though.

HitsRus

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1679339 wrote:No it started bc they were walking in the street. They admitted he had no idea MB committed a robery. I don't believe for a second Wilson asked him politely to go to the sidewalk like he claims. I'm sure he had choice words for him which instigated the situation. And I'm sure MB had choice words for him the further escalated the situation. I'm also sure he wouldn't have made it a point to even say anything to him if they were 2 white kids. Don't lie to yourself and say it wasn't race related at all. That's the whole reason it still exists today bc we allow ourselves to lie and say oh I'm sure it wasn't about race.

Oh, yeah...they were just innocently walking down the street.....can't believe you swallow that.

The issue here that is just as important and comes first is respect for authority. Are we teaching kids to respect police? Are we teaching kids to obey the law? Are we teaching kids to just stop when a policeman pulls them over? Are we teaching them to be polite and not aggressive when authority questions them? Have we heard this from any black leadership? ....from the the Reverends, the AG or the Prez himself? Have any of them said..."go home, calm down, and we will investigate this thoroughly and be sure justice is done?"

Officer Wilson should not be indicted because of "systemic racism"....he should be indicted on the evidence. And the huge volume of eveidence and testimony which included investigation by the feds, does not bear this out. There is no, nor should there be ...any "affirmative action" in law enforcement.

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HitsRus;1679348 wrote:Oh, yeah...they were just innocently walking down the street.....can't believe you swallow that.

Did you not read the transcript? Wilson said he approached Brown and Johnson b/c they were walking down the middle of the street. Wilson says he asked the two to get out of the street and go to the sidewalk. Johnson claims Wilsons words were a little harsher and told them to get the fuck out of the street. The truth, as always, lies somewhere in the middle of the two stories I'm sure.
Did you see the street he was killed on/they were walking on? It was a street infront of housing projects ie: not a whole lot of traffic and people walk on them every day.

HitsRus;1679348 wrote: The issue here that is just as important and comes first is respect for authority. Are we teaching kids to respect police? Are we teaching kids to obey the law? Are we teaching kids to just stop when a policeman pulls them over? Are we teaching them to be polite and not aggressive when authority questions them? Have we heard this from any black leadership? ....from the the Reverends, the AG or the Prez himself? Have any of them said..."go home, calm down, and we will investigate this thoroughly and be sure justice is done?"

You know what my dad taught me and I'll teach my son? Respect is a 2 way street and earned and if someone doesn't respect you, they don't earn it back. You don't have a problem respecting police, just as I don't, because you're not black and you don't get harrassed by police. It's hard to respect someone who clearly doesnt give a shit about you. And no, just b/c they're police, doesn't mean they deserve respect. They deserve respect up until the point they dont return the courtesy. They're not special beings. Should you use restraint when dealing with them? Absolutely. Did MB? Apparently not.

HitsRus;1679348 wrote:Officer Wilson should not be indicted because of "systemic racism"....he should be indicted on the evidence. And the huge volume of eveidence and testimony which included investigation by the feds, does not bear this out. There is no, nor should there be ...any "affirmative action" in law enforcement.

Officer Wilson should have been indicted b/c a person was killed without a weapon and it became a he said/she said event. All we know for sure is Wilson killed someone who didn't have a weapon, and the prosecutor took Wilsons word for it as suspected.
It should have went to trial where Wilson could have been cross-examined and his testimony would have been dissected, and witnesses would have to have been made public.
No one knows what happened and never will b/c it didn't go to trial. I don't know if Wilson is guilty or innocent and you sure as hell don't hold privy knowledge to know either.

SportsAndLady

^delusional

like_that

LOL at anyone who is still making up excuses for FB. How delusional can you be? Let us know when you come back down to reality.

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SportsAndLady;1679353 wrote:^delusional

Uh huh. Says the most idiotic person on the OC.

Con_Alma

You don't have to respect the person if you choose but to not respect the law being enforced is a separate issue.

Don't walk in the street when told not to. If you choose not to respond because you think you've been disrespected then respond appropriately because it's may be the law.

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Con_Alma;1679356 wrote:You don't have to respect the person if you choose but to not respect the law being enforced is a separate issue.

Don't walk in the street when told not to. If you choose not to respond because you think you've been disrespected then respond appropriately because it's may be the law.

Sure. That's using retraint like I said MB should have done and obviousky didn't. The point which you'll never admit is there never would have been an altercation if it were 2 white boys walking down the street.

Con_Alma

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1679357 wrote:Sure. That's using retraint like I said MB should have done and obviousky didn't. The point which you'll never admit is there never would have been an altercation if it were 2 white boys walking down the street.

I wouldn't say never but you would be right in that I can't say it wouldn't have happened if they were white because I honestly don't know.

SportsAndLady

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1679355 wrote:Uh huh. Says the most idiotic person on the OC.

Yeah, so idiotic that I know when a police officer gives me an order, I oblige. Without even fucking thinking I do what the police officer tells me. Because he is the authority and HAS A FUCKING GUN.

But yeah, poor MB, he was only walking down the street. Let's not forget he was walking down the street after robbing a convenience store. But nah, that damn racist cop, should have never been there.

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