At least St Louis isn't in Ohio

• FatHobbit

  

  sleeper;1678819 wrote:Provided she renounced her US citizenship, I'd buy her ticket.

  And an iPad
• QuakerOats

  sleeper;1678819 wrote:Provided she renounced her US citizenship, I'd buy her ticket.

  
  big deal; barack will let her back in anytime, for freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
• salto

  

  bigdaddy2003;1678794 wrote:There's a lady on Twitter threatening to move to Africa and making out like all black people would go with her. Lol she said Mike Brown shouldn't have been in trouble in the first place because Europeans stole this country.

  She should be thankful those Europeans provided employment and shelter to some of her ancestors.
• WebFire

  sleeper;1678786 wrote:I say why bother? The National Guard got a lot of shit for being too "militarized".

  It is amusing that people are protesting partly because the police have become too militarized in the USA. But then people complain because the national guard isn't brought in to control the "protesting".
• majorspark

  

  WebFire;1678868 wrote:It is amusing that people are protesting partly because the police have become too militarized in the USA. But then people complain because the national guard isn't brought in to control the "protesting".

  There is a difference. Civilian police departments do not need to run around looking like they are ready to storm Fallujah. They are there to handle "normal" day to day issues with civilian peace keeping and law enforcement. The National Guard is a military unit that is brought in during a declared state of emergency were something out of the ordinary has occured were the resources and skill of a well trained military unit is needed.
• thavoice

  majorspark;1678877 wrote:There is a difference. Civilian police departments do not need to run around looking like they are ready to storm Fallujah. They are there to handle "normal" day to day issues with civilian peace keeping and law enforcement. The National Guard is a military unit that is brought in during a declared state of emergency were something out of the ordinary has occured were the resources and skill of a well trained military unit is needed.

  Alot of that talk came about recently when police departments were buying some of the older military vehicles to use. I think Piqua got one.
  
  There is no reason why the Governor shouldnt have had the NG in the business district and/or around the police department. The hoodlums are gonna go the path of least resistance so even a presence woulda stopped them in those area.
• WebFire

  majorspark;1678877 wrote:There is a difference. Civilian police departments do not need to run around looking like they are ready to storm Fallujah. They are there to handle "normal" day to day issues with civilian peace keeping and law enforcement. The National Guard is a military unit that is brought in during a declared state of emergency were something out of the ordinary has occured were the resources and skill of a well trained military unit is needed.

  I understand that. The hypocrisy to me is wanting less and more of something at the same time.
• WebFire

  majorspark;1678877 wrote:There is a difference. Civilian police departments do not need to run around looking like they are ready to storm Fallujah. They are there to handle "normal" day to day issues with civilian peace keeping and law enforcement. The National Guard is a military unit that is brought in during a declared state of emergency were something out of the ordinary has occured were the resources and skill of a well trained military unit is needed.

  Police are para-military by nature. Why should they not be prepared for these types of events anyway? As long as they have the training for it.
  
  I see some people that don't even know what it means, too. Somehow the MB incident became a soundboard for the police to be less militarized. But shooting a criminal assaulting a police officer has nothing to do with being militarized.
• thavoice

  WebFire;1678884 wrote:Police are para-military by nature. Why should they not be prepared for these types of events anyway? As long as they have the training for it.
  
  I see some people that don't even know what it means, too. Somehow the MB incident became a soundboard for the police to be less militarized. But shooting a criminal assaulting a police officer has nothing to do with being militarized.

  MB was surrendering with his arms up, not assaulting the police officer.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  Garth Brooks canceled his Tonight Show appearance tomorrow night because he said it didn't seem tasteful to go on in light of the verdict in Ferguson. Lol
• thavoice

  bigdaddy2003;1678901 wrote:Garth Brooks canceled his Tonight Show appearance tomorrow night because he said it didn't seem tasteful to go on in light of the verdict in Ferguson. Lol

  Yeah,I saw that.
  
  What a joke!
• HitsRus

  

  He's getting pretty well panned for it to.
• thavoice

  I bet he just an opportunity to take off an event to get some extra rest and thought this would also make him look good AND a night off.
  
  Wait, maybe they were looting to find HIS new CD in stores now because ofthis grand gesture?
• bigdaddy2003

  

  Lol, I need to stay off Twitter.
  
  A woman tweeted this earlier:
  
  "Even though black people are in pain right now, I'm going to make this all about me." - every white person in America
  
  Lol, so then another person replies saying she feels bad for the Browns but also because the verdict shows it's okay to kill black people again.
  
  Smh
• majorspark

  

  WebFire;1678883 wrote:I understand that. The hypocrisy to me is wanting less and more of something at the same time.

  It depends and you probably agree with me. I want less on the civilian side where some over zealous police chief or federal prosecutor can order a military style operation on my home or place of business. But I do realize that more at certain times may be needed. But when military style force is deployed against the civilian population it should require authorization from top level government officials. I don't see that as hypocritical. A state of emergency was declared by the highest government official in the state for a special circumstance when more was needed.
• majorspark

  

  WebFire;1678884 wrote:Police are para-military by nature. Why should they not be prepared for these types of events anyway? As long as they have the training for it.

  As long as they look something like this:
  
  
  
  Instead of something like this:
  
  
  
  

  WebFire;1678884 wrote:I see some people that don't even know what it means, too. Somehow the MB incident became a soundboard for the police to be less militarized. But shooting a criminal assaulting a police officer has nothing to do with being militarized.

  I agree but it became a soundboard because they showed up with the latter on the whims of lower level officials because they have units equipped like this under their jurisdiction. Military style units get a hard on for this type of stuff. They are not trained to "protect and serve" but to intimidate and kick ass.
  
  I am not even sure I agree with the Governor's preemptive declaration of a state of emergency. But when shit started going down he should have rolled them in.
• Glory Days

  

  majorspark;1678915 wrote: Instead of something like this:
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  I agree but it became a soundboard because they showed up with the latter on the whims of lower level officials because they have units equipped like this under their jurisdiction. Military style units get a hard on for this type of stuff. They are not trained to "protect and serve" but to intimidate and kick ass.
  
  I am not even sure I agree with the Governor's preemptive declaration of a state of emergency. But when shit started going down he should have rolled them in.

  has body armor, helmets, gas masks or armored vehicles EVER hurt anyone?
• Glory Days

  

  majorspark;1678914 wrote:It depends and you probably agree with me. I want less on the civilian side where some over zealous police chief or federal prosecutor can order a military style operation on my home or place of business. But I do realize that more at certain times may be needed. But when military style force is deployed against the civilian population it should require authorization from top level government officials. I don't see that as hypocritical. A state of emergency was declared by the highest government official in the state for a special circumstance when more was needed.

  not really hypocritical, just unrealistic. you cant just snap your fingers and say you want more force and it appears. and then imagine if the cops had all that gear, but they have to wait to get the governors approval. situations like this are fluid, by the time they get that special approval, its too late.
• majorspark

  

  Glory Days;1678921 wrote:has body armor, helmets, gas masks or armored vehicles EVER hurt anyone?

  Not by themselves. But when deployed to shield those with heavy firearms yes.
• majorspark

  

  Glory Days;1678926 wrote:not really hypocritical, just unrealistic. you cant just snap your fingers and say you want more force and it appears. and then imagine if the cops had all that gear, but they have to wait to get the governors approval. situations like this are fluid, by the time they get that special approval, its too late.

  I said less not none. I am a realist. US cities are not Baghdad, Iraq. Moderately armored/armed civilian police units can contain nearly all domestic situations that arise in this country. Deploying light infantry style units against the civilian population should be very difficult and should go through the proper government channels and should be in the context of an extreme situation were large numbers of the civilian population are in danger of losing their lives or property.
  
  The only person responsible for Micheal Brown's death appears to be Micheal Brown. The ignorant worked up into a lather by rabble rousers and the media could have been handled with a large police presence in riot gear with batons and their standard issue side arm. People in this country (black and white) have a healthy aversion to the presence of military style units deployed among the civilian population. So did the founders.
• shook_17

  

  New York Times journalist published Darren Wilson's address in the paper today. SMH. How fucking dumb can somebody be?!
• bigdaddy2003

  

  Spike Lee gave out George Zimmerman's address. It's ridiculous.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
  
  Contains profanity ^
• Glory Days

  

  majorspark;1678932 wrote:I said less not none. I am a realist. US cities are not Baghdad, Iraq. Moderately armored/armed civilian police units can contain nearly all domestic situations that arise in this country. Deploying light infantry style units against the civilian population should be very difficult and should go through the proper government channels and should be in the context of an extreme situation were large numbers of the civilian population are in danger of losing their lives or property.
  
  The only person responsible for Micheal Brown's death appears to be Micheal Brown. The ignorant worked up into a lather by rabble rousers and the media could have been handled with a large police presence in riot gear with batons and their standard issue side arm. People in this country (black and white) have a healthy aversion to the presence of military style units deployed among the civilian population. So did the founders.

  its not Baghdad(which I have been to), but that doesn't mean US civilians aren't heavily armed. during my last takedown we found steel body armor, an AK-47 and AR-15 along with optics and night vision, and the guy was a convicted felon.
  
  you also have to look at it as a business decision. you can pay $100,000 for a "moderately armored" vehicle, or spend little to no money on a fully armored vehicle. with the budgets the way they are now, its sort of a no brainer.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  http://www.tpnn.com/2014/09/05/video-vicious-hate-crime-in-missouri-blacks-attack-white-couple-race-hustlers-silent/