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• Gblock

  Most blacks have no linage to trace...have no idea where I'm from on that side...may or may not be Africa...some people believe its part of the problems with some black families today..no history. As far as racism today ..people like sleeper to me are the worst. I would prefer people who are actually racist than people who spew hate and ignorance behind an anonymous persona on a message board. Not calling him a racist but if he isthe one who was doing the hiring I don't believe based on his comments that he could ever be unbiased..thats the dangerous person I worry bout not racist people
• rmolin73

  

  Opportunity in America in exchange for field work. I expect nothing less from "LJ light".
• rmolin73

  

  Gblock;1536728 wrote:Most blacks have no linage to trace...have no idea where I'm from on that side...may or may not be Africa...some people believe its part of the problems with some black families today..no history. As far as racism today ..people like sleeper to me are the worst. I would prefer people who are actually racist than people who spew here and ignirance behind an anonomous persona on a message board. Not calling him a racist but if he isvthe one who was doing the hiring I don't believe based on his comments that he could ever be unbiased..thats the dangetous person I worry bout not racist people

  Yep the worst type of person is the cowardly internet racist. I bet he would never say a peep of this stuff in the company of white or black people.
• ohiobucks1

  

  rmolin73;1536836 wrote:Yep the worst type of person is the cowardly internet racist. I bet he would never say a peep of this stuff in the company of white or black people.

  I don't agree. The worst type of person is a public figure racist that can convince other masses to follow them ie Al Sharpton, Rand Paul, John McCain (towards Asians), etc. Then the anonymous racist has nowhere near the same adverse effects. Until these types of people have no place determining societal opportunity, we will have these types of issues.
• sleeper

  

  ohiobucks1;1537764 wrote:I don't agree. The worst type of person is a public figure racist that can convince other masses to follow them ie Al Sharpton, Rand Paul, John McCain (towards Asians), etc. Then the anonymous racist has nowhere near the same adverse effects. Until these types of people have no place determining societal opportunity, we will have these types of issues.

  Rand Paul is a racist? LOL.
  
  Actually the real problem is anyone that tries to address minority issues that happens to have white skin is labeled a racist. Ironic isn't it?
• ohiobucks1

  

  sleeper;1537783 wrote:Rand Paul is a racist? LOL.
  
  Actually the real problem is anyone that tries to address minority issues that happens to have white skin is labeled a racist. Ironic isn't it?

  That is also a large problem, but yes, I believe Rand Paul to be a bigot. He has said some things that make me :RpS_blink:
• O-Trap

  

  I'm not sure I can agree with either. The problem is, I'm not even sure we have a cultural consensus as to what "racism" actually means.
  
  To some, acknowledging someone's color as a distinguishing characteristic is racism.
  
  To others, stating that a particular trait is normative for a particular skin tone is racism.
  
  To yet others, the tone of the skin involved is as relevant as the behavior toward it.
  
  Still others see almost nothing short of out-and-out epithets or physical abuse as racist.
  
  Finally, others will even say that a person is racist if they willingly interact with people whose views are racist.
  
  
  We don't have a consensus (for example, I'd disagree that Rand Paul is a racist even though ohiobucks1 suggests he is), and until we do, I don't think we can see any solid criteria to establish the biggest danger as it pertains to the perpetuation of racism.
  
  Is it the person in the public eye who serves as someone behind whom other racists can rally?
  
  Is it the anonymous, quiet racism that is allowed to fester and continue without rebuttal, refutation, or opposition?
  
  Not sure I can say.
• ohiobucks1

  

  O-Trap;1537790 wrote:
  
  We don't have a consensus (for example, I'd disagree that Rand Paul is a racist even though ohiobucks1 suggests he is), and until we do, I don't think we can see any solid criteria to establish the biggest danger as it pertains to the perpetuation of racism.

  Agreed. Everybody has a different opinion on racism. I have my own personal beliefs and I think Rand is a bigot, even if it's not obvious.
  
  The biggest thing IMO is that we work towards breaking down racial barriers in education. The more education EVERYBODY gets in society, the better off we will be. In that situation, people can empower themselves.
• O-Trap

  

  ohiobucks1;1537797 wrote:Agreed. Everybody has a different opinion on racism. I have my own personal beliefs and I think Rand is a bigot, even if it's not obvious.
  
  The biggest thing IMO is that we work towards breaking down racial barriers in education. The more education EVERYBODY gets in society, the better off we will be. In that situation, people can empower themselves.

  The question is, what are these "barriers" in education? Are they cultural or sub-cultural? Are they, in some ways, self-inflicted? Too, what do we assert as a sufficient level for education? By altering our current norms to reach it, might we change it? And again, where do we draw this problem as "racial" as opposed to just cultural at large?
  
  I think this is a major reason why "racism," at least as we understand it, is such a perpetual problem. We can't clearly define it, and so we can't (as a neighborhood, culture, nation, etc.) clearly identify it. How do you collectively move to fight against something if you can't even collectively agree on what it is?
• Gblock

  sleeper;1537783 wrote:Rand Paul is a racist? LOL.
  
  Actually the real problem is anyone that tries to address minority issues that happens to have white skin is labeled a racist. Ironic isn't it?

  sorry but a person who says that when they walk in the room and there are ten people and one is a minority the monority will be inferior 9/10 times is not addressing minority issues and is at minimum very ignorant
• Belly35

  

  Until America stop lowering the standard by which to live racism will prevail.
  Racism is a direct reflection of social entitlement, educational dummying down and lack of employment expectations.
  
  Remove individuals from social entitlement program many will achieve, raise the standard of learning, provide the tools and support to be educated many will be inspired, provide the ability to work many will prosper.
  
  Achievement + Learning + Prosperity = Confidence, Self Respect and Equality (ain’t got no time for racism)
• sleeper

  

  Gblock;1537887 wrote:sorry but a person who says that when they walk in the room and there are ten people and one is a minority the monority will be inferior 9/10 times is not addressing minority issues and is at minimum very ignorant

  A product of hiring based on skin color rather than merit. Eliminate EOE laws and this wouldn't be an issue.
• Gblock

  sleeper;1537905 wrote:A product of hiring based on skin color rather than merit. Eliminate EOE laws and this wouldn't be an issue.

  still doesnt justify judging someone by race before even meeting them. everyone deserves to be judged as an individual. after meeting them and working with them if you find them to be lacking then you can say what you will. anytime you put a whole group of people into one category you are going to be in the wrong
• sleeper

  

  Gblock;1537939 wrote:still doesnt justify judging someone by race before even meeting them. everyone deserves to be judged as an individual. after meeting them and working with them if you find them to be lacking then you can say what you will. anytime you put a whole group of people into one category you are going to be in the wrong

  Who says I was judging based on race? I was merely saying if said person is incompetent 9/10 they are likely to also be a minority.
• Gblock

  sleeper;1537940 wrote:Who says I was judging based on race? I was merely saying if said person is incompetent 9/10 they are likely to also be a minority.

  same thing. 9/10 wow
• sleeper

  

  Gblock;1537944 wrote:same thing. 9/10 wow

  I don't see how this is comment would elicit a wow response. Maybe you just don't understand the comment.
• raiderbuck

  There's no point in arguing with sleeper.
• sleeper

  

  O-Trap;1537804 wrote:The question is, what are these "barriers" in education? Are they cultural or sub-cultural? Are they, in some ways, self-inflicted? Too, what do we assert as a sufficient level for education? By altering our current norms to reach it, might we change it? And again, where do we draw this problem as "racial" as opposed to just cultural at large?
  
  I think this is a major reason why "racism," at least as we understand it, is such a perpetual problem. We can't clearly define it, and so we can't (as a neighborhood, culture, nation, etc.) clearly identify it. How do you collectively move to fight against something if you can't even collectively agree on what it is?

  It's the white people that cause minorities to drop out of school at a higher rate than white people. Perhaps another product of granting access to college and providing scholarships based on skin color rather than merit. The real question is, how many white people that need an education to reach their fullest potential are being disenfranchised all so LaShawniqua from Harlem can waste 2 years of her life popping out kids on scholarship? Why not just award scholarship based on merit or financial need regardless of skin color? Wow what a concept!
• sleeper

  

  raiderbuck;1537948 wrote:There's no point in arguing with sleeper.

  Well in this case there is no point in "arguing" because one side is simply listing facts and the other is more interested in calling me a racist.
  
  I guess all is just fine and dandy with minorities and if they ever fail white people just aren't understanding the hardships they face and giving them more benefits that they need to equalize things.
• rmolin73

  

  raiderbuck;1537948 wrote:There's no point in arguing with sleeper.

  "LJ light", is the foremost authority on all minority issues. That and religion. He should take his thoughts public. Oh wait he would be paying people $100 left and right.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  sleeper;1537952 wrote:It's the white people that cause minorities to drop out of school at a higher rate than white people. Perhaps another product of granting access to college and providing scholarships based on skin color rather than merit. The real question is, how many white people that need an education to reach their fullest potential are being disenfranchised all so LaShawniqua from Harlem can waste 2 years of her life popping out kids on scholarship? Why not just award scholarship based on merit or financial need regardless of skin color? Wow what a concept!

  Because some people just don't understand that life isn't fair and that not everyone is going to get a chance at the same opportunities as others.
• sleeper

  

  Raw Dawgin' it;1537960 wrote:Because some people just don't understand that life isn't fair and that not everyone is going to get a chance at the same opportunities as others.

  GASP! You mean white people experience this too? What?!
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  Whether true or not, any negative comment made towards a minority can be skewed as racist. You want racism to end, then find people who aren't looking for a leg up, it's impossible.
• sleeper

  

  Raw Dawgin' it;1537994 wrote:Whether true or not, any negative comment made towards a minority can be skewed as racist. You want racism to end, then find people who aren't looking for a leg up, it's impossible.

  Good to know at least someone on here gets it.
• ohiobucks1

  

  sleeper;1538007 wrote:Good to know at least someone on here gets it.

  I agree with you that there are some in the Black community that do not strive to better themselves, but many start with such an overwhelming burden that they cannot possible overcome it. However, if you cannot comprehend why Rmolin and Gblock think you are being racist right now, then you are insane.