Newly popular game: Knockout

• O-Trap

  

  sleeper;1536445 wrote:Right just like there are no black only organizations, churches, colleges, etc.

  Those things do exist, and they are the result of people who WANT there to be a black community. Doesn't mean their constructs dictate an entire racial group at large, though.
  
  Just because those with more divisive views want to drive that wedge, it doesn't stand that they logically speak for everyone who bears a relevant physical similarity, nor does it mean they have the permission of the same to do so.
  

  sleeper;1536445 wrote:Black community means black people.

  It's a nonsense term. "Community" has far more to do with a group's values, traditions, morals, and behaviors. It has almost nothing to do with skin color.
  
  An example is a friend of mine of predominantly Irish heritage. He was born and raised in South Africa, where roughly 80% of the population identifies as "African black," and where under 9% identifies as "white." The "community" of which he grew up as a part was that of the South African urban community. His skin color had nothing to do with his community, as his community was based more on the people with whom he had frequent interaction, and whose non-tangibles were similar to his: passions, values, morals, traditions, etc.
  
  Suggesting that someone is part of a "community" based on the color of his or her skin is as rational as suggesting that someone is a part of a community because of the shape of his or her nose, the lobe of his or her ear, his or her dominant hand, or any other genetically predetermined trait.
  

  sleeper;1536445 wrote:When are black people going to do something about their broken culture?

  Again, it's not a black culture any more than a black community. There are urban subcultures/communities, suburban subcultures/communities, and rural subcultures/communities. There are FAR fewer outliers when gauging communities by THESE lines than there are by skin color, and in fact, if you compare using the two criteria (skin color and location), skin color almost always loses out to location.
  
  People, black and white, who are raised in rural areas will, as a rule, act the same way. People, black and white, who are raised in urban areas will, as a rule, act the same way. People, raised in rural or urban areas, who are dark-skinned will, as a rule, NOT act the same way. People, raised in rural or urban areas, who are white-skinned will, as a rule, NOT act the same way.
  
  It is for this reason that referring to a "black" community is nonsensical. There is no "black" community at large. There are black people who act and speak as though there is, but the actions of some does not necessitate agreement from others.
  

  sleeper;1536445 wrote:When are blacks going to stop blaming the color of their skin for their own fucking problems?

  Ever speak to an urban-raised "down-on-their-luck" white person? Criteria might be different, but the blame game is the same. Black person might blame it on racial prejudice against blacks. A white person might blame it on affirmative action, reverse racism, or the like.
  
  Doesn't matter. They both make excuses very much in a similar way. It's an urban problem. Not a racial one.
  

  sleeper;1536445 wrote:It's not white people holding them down, hell white people have done more for blacks than blacks could ever do for themselves(affirmative action, lowering standards, voting for Obama).

  Theoretically, none of those were genuinely helpful in the long run.
  
  However, it needs to be understood that nobody is holding anyone down. The white person who faults black people for blaming their bad luck on their skin color is a hypocrite if he also blames any of his misfortune on things like Affirmative Action, hate crime laws, etc.
• Gblock

  Great post
• O-Trap

  

  TedSheckler;1536461 wrote:I must have missed all the white kids in that video. You're damn right I profile. I've seen a lot if these "knockout" videos and I'm pretty sure there is close to nil whities doing this.

  There aren't many PEOPLE doing this yet. And video of a particular group doing it doesn't speak adequately for the whole.
  
  But here, if you need this in order to follow along:
  
  http://www.businessinsider.com/teens-playing-knock-out-the-jew-2013-11#ixzz2klUOiAHO
  
  "I remember it from when I was 11," the 27-year-old told us, "and I've seen white kids do it, black kids, Spanish kids."[LEFT]
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  said_aouita;1536465 wrote:Ever been to Xenia?
  
  hmm.....maybe that's why it's been hit twice with a tornado.

  I'm not saying there are places where black or white people aren't the vast majority. I'm saying "THE black community" isn't a thing. All black people in the US aren't card-carrying members of some club that blames others for their problems.
• rmolin73

  

  Great posts O-Trap.
• TedSheckler

  

  Ike said so, so I guess I shouldn't profile a group of black youths dressed like thugs.
• Gblock

  Can't post the linkfrom my phone but a great article today by whitlock called sticks and stones debating the stance of wilbon and barkley on use of n word..along the same point all blacks don't always agree its an individual decision
• Gblock

  TedSheckler;1536492 wrote:Ike said so, so I guess I shouldn't profile a group of black youths dressed like thugs.

  I'm not saying you shouldn't be wary..depending on the time and place
• O-Trap

  

  TedSheckler;1536492 wrote:Ike said so, so I guess I shouldn't profile a group of black youths dressed like thugs.

  Would you be equally as guarded if everything but the skin color was the same? White youths dressed like thugs? Latin youths dressed like thugs? Southeast Asian youths dressed like thugs?
• Gblock

  http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=9980883&src=desktop
  
  Whitlock story
  
  Key and peeled racist skit LOL
  http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=k2oWqBMKXEY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dk2oWqBMKXEY%26feature%3Dyoutu.be
• Mohican00

  

  Gblock;1536493 wrote:Can't post the linkfrom my phone but a great article today by whitlock called sticks and stones debating the stance of wilbon and barkley on use of n word..along the same point all blacks don't always agree its an individual decision

  http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/9980883/whitlock-using-n-word
  
  Yeah, I was stunned (but looking back I shouldn't have been) when Wilbon said that on PTI. Coming out and defending the use of ****** as "our word" (and that whole white framing part - lol) like he's some HBCU student who just discovered W.E.B. Dubois
• rmolin73

  

  ccrunner609;1536503 wrote:Really?

  Yes really.
• Gblock

  I was equally shocked..and only whitlock commented on it that I have seen
  Not sure where I stand on it I see both sides...I use the word with my friends white and black but I can also see the damage it causes our race and the pain and anger when I got called that in Jr. Hi
• Mohican00

  

  I don't have a problem with blacks using the word, but as was mentioned in the article, as an athlete you're a representative of your team/business so why go using it on social media? The team and the league have every right to be upset
• Gblock

  Yeah its def not good for business
• O-Trap

  

  I think that if we're going to pursue equal treatment in all other areas of life, then we (as a culture at large) do ourselves no service by maintaining certain words as being acceptable only for people of certain skin tones.
  
  If skin tone doesn't matter when it comes to anything else, it is logically inconsistent to allow it to apply here. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander here.
  
  As such, I think we ought to treat white and black people equally as it pertains to the word (and all words).
• Gblock

  O-Trap;1536516 wrote:I think that if we're going to pursue equal treatment in all other areas of life, then we (as a culture at large) do ourselves no service by maintaining certain words as being acceptable only for people of certain skin tones.
  
  If skin tone doesn't matter when it comes to anything else, it is logically inconsistent to allow it to apply here. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander here.
  
  As such, I think we ought to treat white and black people equally as it pertains to the word (and all words).

  i agree..for example i had a large party at my house this summer for my call of duty clan (ghey) but we have been playing online for like 6 years and most had never met in real life...most live in tri state area and columbus but 3 dudes came in from houston texas and stayed with me for a week, two white and one mexican and they had met in jail to top it off. any way some of my friends and family who didnt know them were wide eyed when they heard them talk because for real they used the n word for a noun verb, subject, pronoun and said it at least twice in each sentence they spoke for a week....
  we were rolling and laugh about it all the time. to me it was the truest form of a term of endearment for them and a sign that we were all equal and no one thought they were racist at all but some of my friends had never heard a white person or mexican say it ever let alone every sentence. picture the rapper paul wall is basically a good comparison
• O-Trap

  

  ccrunner609;1536531 wrote:So you are in complete denial that the black community has some serious problems that they choose not to fix because its fictitious and mythical?

  "The black community" isn't a thing, once again. There are those who are black that have these problems, but as I stated elsewhere in this thread, there are white people with the same problems. If something doesn't exist, it cannot have real properties (logically). As such, it cannot be said to have "serious problems."
• rmolin73

  

  I think ccrunner is missing that point.
• rmolin73

  

  ccrunner609;1536531 wrote:So you are in complete denial that the black community has some serious problems that they choose not to fix because its fictitious and mythical?

  Some black people have problems just like some white people have problems. To blame these people problems on one race or the other and expect them to be solely responsible for fixing it is delusional.
• said_aouita

  

  O-Trap;1536483 wrote:
  I'm not saying there are places where black or white people aren't the vast majority. I'm saying "THE black community" isn't a thing. All black people in the US aren't card-carrying members of some club that blames others for their problems.

  They don't need to carry a card. It's just some are more obvious members than others.
• O-Trap

  

  said_aouita;1536608 wrote:They don't need to carry a card. It's just some are more obvious members than others.

  What are the criteria for being more obvious members? Or do ya "just know?"
• said_aouita

  

  O-Trap;1536610 wrote:What are the criteria for being more obvious members? Or do ya "just know?"

  Yes.
• dlazz

  Great thread, O-Trap!
  
  
• sleeper

  

  A white person might blame it on affirmative action, reverse racism, or the like.

  And they would be justified in doing so given the state institutionalized racism against white people. But its okay to be racist against white people because white people hundreds of years ago gave black people an opportunity in America in exchange for field work instead of getting raped and killed by other blacks in Africa. How'd that work out for them? Do any blacks want to move back to Africa? LOL
• O-Trap

  

  sleeper;1536693 wrote:And they would be justified in doing so given the state institutionalized racism against white people.

  It's no more substantiated, though, so LOGICALLY, it would not be any more justified. Except in cases where the employer openly admits it, the person has zero credible evidence to suggest AA had a role in his or her not being granted something.
  
  I understand that it happens, and I am, by no means, a supporter of Affirmative Action. Not being hired for being black still happens as well. What I'm suggesting are that neither is even CLOSE to as frequent as those who cry about it want to admit.
  

  sleeper;1536693 wrote:But its okay to be racist against white people because white people hundreds of years ago gave black people an opportunity in America in exchange for field work instead of getting raped and killed by other blacks in Africa. How'd that work out for them? Do any blacks want to move back to Africa? LOL

  "... back to Africa" seems ill-stated. Whether or not their lineage goes back to Africa (some would go to Asia or the Caribbean before it would go to Africa), they've never set foot there. Asking if they want to go "back" seems odd if they've never been there in the first place. It'd be like asking me if I wanted to go back to Wales. Most of my heritage is from there, but I've never been there, and other than stories from me late Welsh grandmother, I don't know dick about what it's like living there.
  
  And here's the thing: Some bull-headed people still are claiming a right to be compensated because of the "plight" of their ancestors as slaves. Others, however, have indeed seen racist treatment today, and THAT'S their complaint, not something that took place 150 years ago. Hell, I've witnessed out-and-out racism in my community against black people AND white people. White people make up less than 10% of the population in this neighborhood, so I have come to expect some of that. However, the fact that it still happens to the MAJORITY in the neighborhood makes it seem, perhaps, as though we haven't come as far as we think we have.
  
  Racism toward minorities still happens. Like it or not, it does. It's more common in some places than others. It's far LESS common than it is claimed. Disingenuous business practice because of AA still happen. Like it or not, it does. It's more common in some places than others. It's far LESS common than it is claimed.