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Will Zimmerman get a fair trial in the Travon Martin case?

  • Heretic
    se-alum;1475181 wrote:
    Belly35;1475177 wrote:
    Did you go to poor inner city colleges to? Did you not have to pass English/writing classes in college? I like ya, but all this just doesn't add up.
    Well, I would say that if a person is able to write normally if they take their time and essentially visualize words as they're writing them, it would be doable to do well in college (or any form of learning that doesn't rely on speed-writing...such as an essay exam that needs completed in "x" amount of time). And that in a less formal place, like a message board, he probably doesn't put the same sort of care or attention to detail into writing things that he would if it was a big paper he needed to do well on.

    Probably also need a pencil with a good, durable eraser, too, as I'd guess there'd be a few of those "caught after the fact" mistakes, as well.
  • Belly35
    se-alum;1475181 wrote:
    Belly35;1475177 wrote:
    Did you go to poor inner city colleges to? Did you not have to pass English/writing classes in college? I like ya, but all this just doesn't add up.
    After my military duties and medical care ... With the help of Dr. Ragusa (long story), I enrolled into summer school, if I passed English course, Science, Math and a Social Studies class he would help me become a full time student with my GI bill at BGSU. No ACT or Sat testing &#8230; 4 years later 2.5 GPA graduated.<o:p></o:p>
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Now let me also state that street smart, worldly wise and few other important contacts helped me achieve my goal.
  • rmolin73
    Belly35;1475063 wrote:When you under estimation individuals based on your egotistical bias you demonstrate ignorance and immaturity &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.
    This is coming from the mofo that started this gem.

    http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?41259-Black-clarification-mofo

    Kindly GFY!
  • Belly35
    rmolin73;1475222 wrote:This is coming from the mofo that started this gem.

    http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?41259-Black-clarification-mofo

    Kindly GFY!
    Hey bro ... that Bitcha is a 3.0

    I still haven't gotten any clarification of Nigga and Cracka ... did she just make that shit up?
  • like_that
    Why the fuck is Obama making any further statements on this case? The outcome would be different if he was white? Just STFU.
  • fish82
    like_that;1475254 wrote:Why the **** is Obama making any further statements on this case. the outcome would be different if he was white? Just STFU.
    Obie likes his identity politics.
  • rmolin73
    like_that;1475254 wrote:Why the **** is Obama making any further statements on this case. the outcome would be different if he was white? Just STFU.
    It's a shell game. He has to keep the black voters mystified so that they'll keep voting democrat.
  • ernest_t_bass
    ccrunner609;1475257 wrote:this..........the PUSA should never comment on stuff like this. Our government should not be spending tax dollars chasing a innocent man just to martar him. The comments that Obama just made are extremely inflammatory and likely will just complicate the issue. He is by far the worst president of all time
    What were the comments?
  • IggyPride00
    ernest_t_bass;1475262 wrote:What were the comments?
    "Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago." President Barack Obama
    Obama: "If a white male teen would have been involved in this scenario ... both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different."
    Obama: "There are very few African-American men who haven't been followed in a dept store. This has happened to me."
    Obama: "If Trayvon Martin was of age and was armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? And do we think he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman, who had followed him in a car, because he felt threatened. And if the answer to that question is at least ambiguous, then it seems we need to rethink [Stand Your Ground] laws."
    A sampling.
  • gport_tennis
    I just seen the clip where Chris Matthews apologized on behalf of "all white people." Give me a break
  • rmolin73
    gport_tennis;1475271 wrote:I just seen the clip where Chris Matthews apologized on behalf of "all white people." Give me a break
    Shit like that irritates the hell out of me. What a dumbass.
  • Gblock
    rmolin73;1475272 wrote:**** like that irritates the
    hell out of me. What a dumbass.
    I feel the same about like_that

    Boom!
  • Gblock
    I do feel the opinions on here would be vastly differnt if it was a white teen
  • Terry_Tate
    Gblock;1475284 wrote:I do feel the opinions on here would be vastly differnt if it was a white teen

    We'd never know about it then because it wouldn't be a story.
  • Rotinaj
    Gblock;1475284 wrote:I do feel the opinions on here would be vastly differnt if it was a white teen
    I doubt it.
  • Sonofanump
    like_that;1475254 wrote:Why the fuck is Obama making any further statements on this case. the outcome would be different if he was white? Just STFU.
    </SPAN>
    ccrunner609;1475257 wrote:this..........the PUSA should never comment on stuff like this. Our government should not be spending tax dollars chasing a innocent man just to martar him. The comments that Obama just made are extremely inflammatory and likely will just complicate the issue. He is by far the worst president of all time
    </SPAN>
    gport_tennis;1475271 wrote:I just seen the clip where Chris Matthews apologized on behalf of "all white people." Give me a break
    </SPAN>
    Terry_Tate;1475285 wrote:We'd never know about it then because it wouldn't be a story.
    </SPAN>
    1. IggyPride00;1475266 wrote:</SPAN> "Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago." President Barack Obama </SPAN>
    Obama: "If a white male teen would have been involved in this scenario ... both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different." </SPAN>
    Obama: "There are very few African-American men who haven't been followed in a dept store. This has happened to me." </SPAN>
    Obama: "If Trayvon Martin was of age and was armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? And do we think he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman, who had followed him in a car, because he felt threatened. And if the answer to that question is at least ambiguous, then it seems we need to rethink [Stand Your Ground] laws." </SPAN>

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    Re-quoted to agree, what a POS. </SPAN>
  • like_that
    Gblock;1475283 wrote:I feel the same about like_that

    Boom!
    Gblock;1475284 wrote:I do feel the opinions on here would be vastly differnt if it was a white teen
    LOL, didn't mean to hurt your feelz there little guy. Keep on being delusional though.
  • ernest_t_bass
    like_that;1475290 wrote:LOL, didn't mean to hurt your feelz there little guy. Keep on being delusional though.

    I think you missed the point. The post he was referencing had the words "like that" in it. Big guy.
  • ohiobucks1
    I sat through a deposition today revolving around a case where a man is accusing JP Morgan/Chase of being racist because they wouldn't let him use their investment branch... We depo'd the guy who (a black guy, btw) who was going to take his account and learned that the reason he didn't get to invest was because he had been caught money laundered and been convicted of a federal offense haha... I also learned that there is a lot of racism issues in Dayton that I was unaware of.


    Point being not everything is racist...Blacks still face a lot of it on a far too often basis. Obama clearly doesn't understand that the way to fix it is not to "make Blacks feel like they are part of society", its to teach them to be like the man we depo'd today, who fights through it to make sure he and his family are educated and can be successful.
  • TedSheckler
    Jesus! There is not a hint of Trayvon beating Zimmerman anymore. The news has erased that fact from any dialog. It's really amazing.
  • like_that
    ernest_t_bass;1475301 wrote:I think you missed the point. The post he was referencing had the words "like that" in it. Big guy.
    Yes, it is called a play on words. Thank you mr. high school business teacher.
  • gut
    Gblock;1475284 wrote:I do feel the opinions on here would be vastly differnt if it was a white teen
    Only opinions based on something other than fact.
  • gut
    The other thing that is irritating is a number of liberals I've seen still making this about stand your ground.

    Wake-up, dumbass...Zimmerman never asserted that defense. This was a typical self-defense case that ultimately had nothing to do with stand your ground.

    Which was too bad, because I really wanted to see the DA make the mutual combat claim. He seemed to be almost making Zimmerman's case for him, so it might have even been possible.
  • fish82
    From what I read, GZ can still invoke SYG prior to any civil action and essentially gain immunity.
  • Fly4Fun
    gut;1475340 wrote:The other thing that is irritating is a number of liberals I've seen still making this about stand your ground.

    Wake-up, dumbass...Zimmerman never asserted that defense. This was a typical self-defense case that ultimately had nothing to do with stand your ground.

    Which was too bad, because I really wanted to see the DA make the mutual combat claim. He seemed to be almost making Zimmerman's case for him, so it might have even been possible.
    This really doesn't make sense unless I'm missing something. I'm not sure how you can assert this wasn't a stand your ground law because Zimmerman never asserted it? A lot of the controversy about the Florida law is that it is no longer an affirmative defense (something the defendant has to bring up and prove after the prosecutor proves their case-in-chief) but a set of presumptions the defendant is given by the law that the prosecutor has to overcome in stating the case-in-chief:

    (1) presumption that defendant had a reasonable fear that deadly force was necessary, and
    (2) presumption that the victim (dead person) intended to commit an unlawful act with force/violence

    This is why no lawyers were surprised at the outcome of the case because the Florida law is so heavily slanted toward the defendant compared to other self-defense laws in other states. The prosecutor had to overcome those presumptions, which obviously didn't happen.

    So the case had everything to do with stand your ground unless I'm completely wrong with what I've read during the course of this trial from different law blogs discussing the laws. (Maybe someone else could chime in and lend some light).

    Anyways, here is a CNN piece discussing self-defense with a few recent semi-publicized incidents (they aren't meant to be perfect comparisons but just other cases that bring up the use of self-defense):

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/us/zimmerman-self-defense-debate/index.html?hpt=hp_t2