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Will Zimmerman get a fair trial in the Travon Martin case?

  • Devils Advocate
    gut;1455237 wrote:On the other hand, if Travon had just kept walking he'd be home right now instead of dead.
    Then the boy was 5% responsible?
  • gut
    Devils Advocate;1455244 wrote:Then the boy was 5% responsible?
    He bought skittles to a gun fight. 95% stupid he could have just kept walking home
  • gport_tennis
    The part that frustrates me about this is how the media makes trayvon out to be an angel and shows pictures of trayvon as an 8-9 year old right next to George Zimmerman mug shot. Media creating bias
  • steubbigred
    Devils Advocate;1455244 wrote:Then the boy was 5% responsible?
    Id say more like 50% . He did not have to beat Zimmerman up even though Zimmerman was being a douchbag.
  • steubbigred
    gport_tennis;1455252 wrote:The part that frustrates me about this is how the media makes trayvon out to be an angel and shows pictures of trayvon as an 8-9 year old right next to George Zimmerman mug shot. Media creating bias
    Good point .
  • LJ
    Typically something like this I would say that Martin and Zimmerman both got caught up in the wrong situation at the wrong time. The problem I have though is that Zimmerman has been arrested before for "playing cop" and chasing people. The guy was out looking for trouble, and I honestly hope the jury sees that.
  • steubbigred
    IggyPride00;1455243 wrote:Not a chance in hell.

    Nancy Grace and the entire HLN station are camping out in Florida and plan on turning this into the next Jodie Arias trial after the ratings bonanza that was.

    Short of sequestering the jury he is going to be sent up state for a nice meeting with Bubba after that station is done running him through the mud all day every day for the duration of the trial.
    You got that right.
  • gut
    LJ;1455258 wrote:Typically something like this I would say that Martin and Zimmerman both got caught up in the wrong situation at the wrong time. The problem I have though is that Zimmerman has been arrested before for "playing cop" and chasing people. The guy was out looking for trouble, and I honestly hope the jury sees that.
    Pretty much sums it all up. Not sure it matters to a stand-your-ground law. Don't know if he can also be charged with stalking or intimidation.
  • sherm03
    A PAC;1455173 wrote:I know jury selection is today and won't be on TV but will the main trial be televised and if so, on what channel?
    To answer your question...I believe it will be. I remember seeing commercials while I was watching the Jodi Arias verdict that said HLN would be televising the Zimmerman trial.

    I could be wrong. But I thought that's what I saw.
  • steubbigred
    LJ;1455258 wrote:Typically something like this I would say that Martin and Zimmerman both got caught up in the wrong situation at the wrong time. The problem I have though is that Zimmerman has been arrested before for "playing cop" and chasing people. The guy was out looking for trouble, and I honestly hope the jury sees that.
    Zimmerman is a douch IMO . No doubt about it . However according to florida law he is allowed to use leathal force if attacked and feels life is in danger . Martin beat the hell out of him and was going to take the gun away from Zimmerman and use it against him . Or atleast that was the state of Zimmermans mind IMO. Hence there is no malice.
  • LJ
    steubbigred;1455263 wrote:Zimmerman is a douch IMO . No doubt about it . However according to florida law he is allowed to use leathal force if attacked and feels life is in danger . Martin beat the hell out of him and was going to take the gun awat from Zimmerman and use it against him . Or atleast that was the state of Zimmermans mind IMO. Hence there is no malice.
    Zimmerman engaged him. The stand your ground law, you have to be a complete innocent victim basically. He should not have put himself into the sitation at all. He should have called the cops and left. His intention was to confront Martin, just like all the other times he has been arrested for chasing people.
  • steubbigred
    gut;1455261 wrote:Pretty much sums it all up. Not sure it matters to a stand-your-ground law. Don't know if he can also be charged with stalking or intimidation.
    Stalking and intimidation are probably what Zimmerman should be charged with IMO. Not manslaughter. This case is trumped up.
  • steubbigred
    LJ;1455264 wrote:Zimmerman engaged him. The stand your ground law, you have to be a complete innocent victim basically. He should not have put himself into the sitation at all. He should have called the cops and left. His intention was to confront Martin, just like all the other times he has been arrested for chasing people.
    I agree . However even though Zimmerman was originally wrong for stalking and confronting him he should not have had the snot beat out of him . Its a very tough case . I just wish the media didnt already convict . Thats my biggest problem .
  • gut
    LJ;1455264 wrote:... just like all the other times he has been arrested for chasing people.
    And if I'm Zimmerman's lawyer I would say "...all the other times Zimmerman DIDN'T shoot someone". That actually plays to his defense.

    Plus Zimmerman IS an innocent victim unless you can prove he started the fight.
  • Fly4Fun
    steubbigred;1455266 wrote:I agree . However even though Zimmerman was originally wrong for stalking and confronting him he should not have had the snot beat out of him . Its a very tough case . I just wish the media didnt already convict . Thats my biggest problem .
    And you've already decided the facts the other way. I'm not sure you can criticize the media while doing the exact same thing but taking a different point of view.

    It'll be interesting to see how the evidence plays out.
  • LJ
    gut;1455267 wrote:And if I'm Zimmerman's lawyer I would say "...all the other times Zimmerman DIDN'T shoot someone". That actually plays to his defense.
    I don't think so, since the people called the cops while getting chased and the cops stopped Zimmerman. Who knows what would have happened if he confronted them. I think he also had an assault on an officer, but his judge daddy got that dismissed, so it's probably not admissible
  • gut
    LJ;1455269 wrote:Who knows what would have happened if he confronted them.
    But multiple examples of people literally walking away. Again, from a perspective of reasonable doubt, this supports Travon as the one escalating/initiating the confrontation.
  • LJ
    gut;1455271 wrote:But multiple examples of people literally walking away. Again, from a perspective of reasonable doubt, this supports Travon as the one escalating/initiating the confrontation.
    But you can argue that they walked away because he never caught them. They also told the cops that they "feared for their lives" with him chasing them
  • gut
    LJ;1455273 wrote:But you can argue that they walked away because he never caught them. They also told the cops that they "feared for their lives" with him chasing them
    But now you are inviting speculation. The fact is there was no confrontation with those people, which can only support reasonable doubt that Zimmerman initiated the deadly confrontation.
  • Devils Advocate
    gut;1455275 wrote:But now you are inviting speculation. The fact is there was no confrontation with those people, which can only support reasonable doubt that Zimmerman initiated the deadly confrontation.
    You mean beside the fact that Zimmerman lost him and went to find him, after he talked to 911 and was told to stand down?
  • LJ
    gut;1455275 wrote:But now you are inviting speculation. The fact is there was no confrontation with those people, which can only support reasonable doubt that Zimmerman initiated the deadly confrontation.
    If I was on the jury I would think different. I would think that he goes looking for trouble since he was chasing people, who were so scared that they had to call the cops to get him to back off.
  • iclfan2
    I don't think he will get a fair shake. The defense has already not been allowed to show pictures of this kid smoking weed and showing off a gun. If Zimmerman was really retreating back to his truck to go home, and trayvon was the aggressor, then Zimmerman should be found not guilty.
  • queencitybuckeye
    iclfan2;1455314 wrote:I don't think he will get a fair shake. The defense has already not been allowed to show pictures of this kid smoking weed and showing off a gun. If Zimmerman was really retreating back to his truck to go home, and trayvon was the aggressor, then Zimmerman should be found not guilty.
    Wouldn't smoking weed make it LESS likely he was the aggressor?
  • LJ
    iclfan2;1455314 wrote:I don't think he will get a fair shake. The defense has already not been allowed to show pictures of this kid smoking weed and showing off a gun.
    I thought that the judge just ruled that it couldn't be used in opening arguments but had not ruled on whether or not it can be used during the trial. There were a bunch of things that were still awaiting ruling on whether or not they could be used, be the judged just denied them all for the opening arguments so that the trial could get moving
  • ActionJackson
    LJ;1455320 wrote:I thought that the judge just ruled that it couldn't be used in opening arguments but had not ruled on whether or not it can be used during the trial. There were a bunch of things that were still awaiting ruling on whether or not they could be used, be the judged just denied them all for the opening arguments so that the trial could get moving
    That's the first post in this thread you are correct on.
    The first judge had to go because he was showing so much prejudice against Zimmerman. The woman judge has ruled in favor of the prosecution in every hearing so far. There was a hearing that she continued even now because she couldn't decide and witnesses were not there to testify about voice on tape. None of you can definitely say Zimmerman said 'coon' or that it was Martin screaming for help. Experts are divided in court over it but the judge is still rulling in favor of the prosecution every chance she gets. Then you have the media...and the race card...and the black community protesting...no chance in hell Zimmerman gets a fair trial.