Will Zimmerman get a fair trial in the Travon Martin case?

• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  Gblock;1472905 wrote:just googled it..he got shot at 7 pm..pronounced dead at 730. absolutely not late at night and not suspicious at all to be on the street..how many breakins were at dinner time for most families??

  Maybe he thought he was seeing which places were empty? The bottom line is, GZ most definitely knew the law (whether he said he did or not) and said what he needed to say afterwards to his advantage.
  
  Lots of what ifs, but it came down to TM attacked GZ and GZ (imo), panicked because he was getting beat up and he shot the kid.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  Gblock;1472906 wrote:

  Raw Dawgin' it;1472904 wrote: i cant argue with that but at least they are trained

  lol are they? they're probably told "If they look like Osama, pull them aside"

• O-Trap

  

  Gblock;1472890 wrote:I was under the impression this was before or around 9pm didnt he leave at halftime of the sb? either way these are condos not houses and they arent that nice. any black person could fit that description so wtf? every black dude cant be a burgular you need something else suspisious

  This is why I brought in the "urban" element. Had Martin been dressed and spoken like Bill Cosby, I suggest that the color of his skin wouldn't have made a difference.
  
  I'm not saying skin color had nothing to do with it, but I think the appearance "choices" had more to do with it.
  
  Ultimately, Martin wasn't doing anything wrong. There's nothing inherently suspicious with dressing how he dressed, taking pictures with guns (a lot of guys I know do this, whether they're trying to be hard or they're 2nd Amendment buffs), having marijuana in your system (plenty of successful adults smoke weed on occasion), or walking. I'm willing to bet that these are the kinds of things that Zimmerman demonstrated prejudice about.
• Gblock

  yeah i guess to sum it up my feelings are that GZ did not do what a reasonable person would have done...out on a personal errand with a gun and get involved in a situation that led to the death of a teenager. its not something im going to lose sleep over. just giving my opinion
• thavoice

  O-Trap;1472909 wrote:This is why I brought in the "urban" element. Had Martin been dressed and spoken like Bill Cosby, I suggest that the color of his skin wouldn't have made a difference.
  
  I'm not saying skin color had nothing to do with it, but I think the appearance "choices" had more to do with it.
  
  Ultimately, Martin wasn't doing anything wrong. There's nothing inherently suspicious with dressing how he dressed, taking pictures with guns (a lot of guys I know do this, whether they're trying to be hard or they're 2nd Amendment buffs), having marijuana in your system (plenty of successful adults smoke weed on occasion), or walking. I'm willing to bet that these are the kinds of things that Zimmerman demonstrated prejudice about.

  Agreed, if he had been eating a jello-pop and wearing a checkered sweather there is no way this would have happened.
• vdubb96

  

  
• gut

  Gblock;1472869 wrote: "Suspicious" just because you re black.

  Maybe he was simply suspicious because Zimmerman did not recognize him and the guy was acting strange. Would anyone assume otherwise if Zimmerman had been black?
  
  Most theft/violent crime is committed by poor late-teen/early-adult males. As such, anyone fitting that profile - be they black/white/hispanic - that you don't recognize and is acting strange is cause for suspicion when you've had a rash of break-ins.
  
  Your presumption is a consequence of every slight and bad-break being attributed to racism. It's that mentality that builds frustration and might cause someone like TM to lash out in anger because he thinks he's being eyeballed for being black, when it might be nothing more than he's not recognized in a new neighborhood.
  
  It's definitely a bad stereotype to attribute clothing with wealth, and again that applies to any race because that's how teenagers dress. But suffice to say if TM is wearing a suit and tie it creates a very different perception.
• Con_Alma

  Gblock;1472913 wrote:yeah i guess to sum it up my feelings are that GZ did not do what a reasonable person would have done...out on a personal errand with a gun and get involved in a situation that led to the death of a teenager. its not something im going to lose sleep over. just giving my opinion

  That's a fair opinion but much of the disgruntled national views related around his acquittal. Mr. Zimmerman can act unreasonably and still not be a felon.
• Con_Alma

  Gblock wrote:"Suspicious" just because you re black.

  Suspicious because anyone not from the neighborhood is deemed suspicious following the recent criminal activity in the area.
• Belly35

  

  Profiling like Blacks don't profile .... mofo bro
• gport_tennis

  Gblock;1472905 wrote:just googled it..he got shot at 7 pm..pronounced dead at 730. absolutely not late at night and not suspicious at all to be on the street..how many breakins were at dinner time for most families??

  According to the police reports, most of the break INS occurred between 9am and 5pm. Some of the break INS happened when the occupants were in the residence
• gut

  gport_tennis;1472928 wrote:According to the police reports, most of the break INS occurred between 9am and 5pm. Some of the break INS happened when the occupants were in the residence

  Likely unintentional (or whacked out on drugs) for people to be home, that's why most break-ins are during the day when people are at work.
  
  So while its unlikely he was going to burglarize someone at that time of day, he could have been casing things out and still cause for suspicion. But we'll never know what TM was actually doing that Zimmerman thought was "acting strange" (at least before TM realized he was being followed).
• WebFire

  
• Con_Alma

  WebFire;1472932 wrote:

  Sure seems safe to do so in Chicago!!!!
  
  They're dropping each other like flies.
• rmolin73

  

  Belly35;1472924 wrote:Profiling like Blacks don't profile .... mofo bro

  Where was it stated that they didn't?
• ohiobucks1

  

  ccrunner609;1472948 wrote:why do we act like profiling is something bad. I feel that people draw opinions and impressions about people and that its human nature. Why fight it.

  Just because something is natural doesn't make it ok. Humans naturally want to kill and be the most powerful people in the world...that doesn't make it ok. Profiling directly interferes with equality for all, a notion our nation was built on. That doesn't mean in certain situations where it serves a purpose for the greater good that it cannot be useful. I hardly think one guy on the neighborhood watch is that situation, however.
  
  
  Still agree with the verdict.
• Mohican00

  

  ccrunner609;1472948 wrote:why do we act like profiling is something bad. I feel that people draw opinions and impressions about people and that its human nature. Why fight it.

  Because it would get out of fucking control. I understand that it happens now and will always happen to a degree, but we have personal freedom and harassment impinges on that
• Iliketurtles

  

  WebFire;1472850 wrote:Are there any black people who feel the verdict was correct?

  I've had a few friends on facebook who are black and said it was correct.
• Fly4Fun

  

  Iliketurtles;1472976 wrote:I've had a few friends on facebook who are black and said it was correct.

  Did you remove them as friends after they said that?
• Pick6

  

  I haven't seen a black person ok with it. Haven't asked my roommate. Even though he is pretty level headed, I dont want to get into some debate and offend him.
• Heretic

  

  Mohican00;1472953 wrote:Because it would get out of fucking control. I understand that it happens now and will always happen to a degree, but we have personal freedom and harassment impinges on that

  Yeah, for all intents and purposes, to me, looking at profiling as a good thing is showing a willingness to be part of the problem. At the least, it seems to show a tendency to be small-minded and bigoted, as it often comes down to taking the differences between yourself and another person and using those as a means to be prejudiced against them.
• Con_Alma

  Heretic;1472996 wrote:Yeah, for all intents and purposes, to me, looking at profiling as a good thing is showing a willingness to be part of the problem. At the least, it seems to show a tendency to be small-minded and bigoted, as it often comes down to taking the differences between yourself and another person and using those as a means to be prejudiced against them.

  Profiling doesn't require any differences between you and the other individual at all ...but then again that would'nt support the negative connotation of profiling people want to rely on to accuse others of being racist.
• Trueblue23

  

  One of the jurors is being interviewed by Anderson Cooper right now.
  
  She said the jury felt (maybe with the exception of 1 juror) that it was GZ yelling for help, GZ defended himself because Martin was upset GZ followed him.
• Trueblue23

  

  "The jury didn't think it was racial profiling, and race did not play a role in this case"
• Gblock

  We need a zimmerman meme thread
  
  "Paula deen got in more trouble for saying nigga than gz did for killing one" lol
  
  Or so wait the last person to jump gz ended up dead and u want to attack him?-Morgan freeman voice LOL