2016 General College Football Discussion
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Con_Alma
Did you read above? Those 0 losses have been addressed. If zero losses were the guiding factor why wouldn't they be number 2? The committee has voiced that their decisions are based on the quality of wins and body of work indicating a consistent play against hi level opponents. Western doesn't have that.wildcats20;1826944 wrote:How many losses to they have?
I think you will see in two weeks that Western's 0 losses won't be enough to keep them as the top G5 team. -
Classyposter58
Last year Northwestern was 14th at 10-2, this year Auburn is at 8-4. It's ridiculous how watered down CFB is this year in the rankings. Last year at this time there were 2 teams with 4 losses ranked, this season there is 5 -
wildcats20
Because a non-power 5 team going undefeated isn't the same as Bama going undefeated.Con_Alma;1826946 wrote:Did you read above? Those 0 losses have been addressed. If zero losses were the guiding factor why wouldn't they be number 2? The committee has voiced that their decisions are based on the quality of wins and body of work indicating a consistent play against hi level opponents. Western doesn't have that.
I think you will see in two weeks that Western's 0 losses won't be enough to keep them as the top G5 team.
When comparing the same level of teams (which WMU and Navy are), undefeated trumps 2 losses. -
wildcats20
Saragrin Ratings have WMU 22 and Navy 39.
That is not an opinion based rating. It's based on actual facts of results of games, schedules, records. -
Con_Alma
Agreed that a P5 going undefeated isn't the same as a G5 doing the same....because Strength of Schedule.wildcats20;1826949 wrote:Because a non-power 5 team going undefeated isn't the same as Bama going undefeated.
When comparing the same level of teams (which WMU and Navy are), undefeated trumps 2 losses.
According to the committee undefeated doesn't necessarily trump a 2 loss team. The quality of wins and body of work indicating a consistent play against hi level opponents is what they are looking at.
SOS
Western 113th
Navy 45th with more wins against FBS schools that have winning records.
If both teams win in their conference champ and Navy wins the following week against Army, I think you will see that being undefeated for Western won't be enough based on the Committees stated criteria. -
wildcats20
According to the committee undefeated does in fact trump 2 losses.Con_Alma;1826951 wrote:Agreed that a P5 going undefeated isn't the same as a G5 doing the same....because Strength of Schedule.
According to the committee undefeated doesn't necessarily trump a 2 loss team. The quality of wins and body of work indicating a consistent play against hi level opponents is what they are looking at.
SOS
Western 113th
Navy 45th with more wins against FBS schools that have winning records.
If both teams win in their conference champ and Navy wins the following week against Army, I think you will see that being undefeated for Western won't be enough based on the Committees stated criteria.
WMU 17
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Con_Alma
I like Saragrin. I wish it were more influential in the decisions made.wildcats20;1826950 wrote:Saragrin Ratings have WMU 22 and Navy 39.
That is not an opinion based rating. It's based on actual facts of results of games, schedules, records.
FCS games don't count in the NCAA's stats from their site. I simply took my numbers form here.
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Con_Alma
The committee's final evaluation isn't complete. They haven't evaluated the whole body of work yet. They can't. It isn't complete. There are still 3 more games of play to consider regarding these two.wildcats20;1826952 wrote:According to the committee undefeated does in fact trump 2 losses.
WMU 17
Navy 19
They current rankings are simply a snapshot of the in process. That is event by the committe scheduling a call to take place right after the Navy vs. Army game to make their final decision. -
Ironman92
Had Navy played one scratch of defense vs South Florida this wouldn't even be a conversation. Let 3 rushers go over 100 yards each and allowed nearly 10 yards per rush over 44 attempts. -
sleeper
Navy is actually one of the top 4 teams in the country. I think they beat Alabama easily and give Ohio State a run for their money.
As usual, I agree with Con_Alma. Navy, too good. -
slingshot4ever
If both win titles that would be a wash (Ohio and Temple are fairly similar). I actually don't think a victory over a crappy Army team does anything for them....will actually bring down their SOS.Con_Alma;1826928 wrote:Understanding what's important and the manner that the committee makes decisions effects every team of interest...even the top 4. It's not just that I think the committee has them ranked *inappropriately. There's more, a lot more. This appears to be the thread the rankings are discussed in.
I do believe over the next two games that Navy will pass Western if they win both, however. -
slingshot4everhttp://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18171618/navy-midshipmen-win-aac-title-game-paralyze-bowl-system
They need to set a rule that games played after championship weekend do not count...this is BS -
Con_Alma
This was agreed upon and approved with the NCAA before Navy agreed to join a conference. I didn't think it would come into play this quickly but alas, here we are.slingshot4ever;1826980 wrote:http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18171618/navy-midshipmen-win-aac-title-game-paralyze-bowl-system
They need to set a rule that games played after championship weekend do not count...this is BS -
Con_Alma
It does put Navy at 11-2 at that point. I guess we shall see. The committee is at least thinks the discussion need to take place and therefore the reason for the special call scheduled after the Army game.slingshot4ever;1826977 wrote:If both win titles that would be a wash (Ohio and Temple are fairly similar). I actually don't think a victory over a crappy Army team does anything for them....will actually bring down their SOS. -
like_that
They aren't even the best academy team. Waste of time. -
Con_Alma
Right now I think they are and I think the committee does also. The reason it's not a waste of time is because of the money involved for the highest ranking G5 school that wins there conference. If either WMU or Navy loses this week, then it will be a waste of time.like_that;1826986 wrote:They aren't even the best academy team. Waste of time.
Here's another cool stat. Each team ranked ahead of WMU has a tougher SOS than WMU. 5 teams ranked ahead of Navy have an easier SOS than Navy okst, lou, fl, wv, stan -
Heretic
SOS is a great stat and all, but only goes so far as compared to actual results. The question is should the SOS difference between two mid-tier teams overwhelm the fact that one team lost twice while the other team has won all their games? I'd look at it as something that brings Navy close to WMU, but not over their level. Now if they win against Temple and Army by a combined score of, say, 137-2, that might give them a bump. -
Azubuike24
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Con_AlmaHeretic;1826989 wrote:SOS is a great stat and all, but only goes so far as compared to actual results. The question is should the SOS difference between two mid-tier teams overwhelm the fact that one team lost twice while the other team has won all their games? I'd look at it as something that brings Navy close to WMU, but not over their level. Now if they win against Temple and Army by a combined score of, say, 137-2, that might give them a bump.
I don't disagree with this entirely . I think if you look at the month of November an the points Navy has put up combined with their offensive efficiency numbers...your what if isn't as carzy as probably intended. They have only punted twice in the month of November and have been averaging some ridiculous point totals...that was with back ups and their 3rd string QB playing.
There's still a lot of football snaps yet that will make things clearer. -
Con_Alma
uhhh yeah. Have you really looked at the number of schools this impacts this bowl season??? It isn't just G5 schools.Azubuike24;1826990 wrote:Are we really debating whether Navy goes to a big six bowl? -
like_that
They lost to AF, and AF won the commanders cup. Not even an argument, they aren't the best academy team.Con_Alma;1826987 wrote:Right now I think they are and I think the committee does also. The reason it's not a waste of time is because of the money involved for the highest ranking G5 school that wins there conference. If either WMU or Navy loses this week, then it will be a waste of time.
Here's another cool stat. Each team ranked ahead of WMU has a tougher SOS than WMU. 5 teams ranked ahead of Navy have an easier SOS than Navy okst, lou, fl, wv, stan -
Con_AlmaThe committee disagrees. ...so do the AP writers but I appreciate your perspective. I can see how you believe Air Force is better this year seeing how they won head to head.
I view it as comparing the team Penn State was early this season to the team Penn State is today.
P.S. It's not a "Cup". It's the Commander In Chief Trophy. -
Con_AlmaInterestingly, The falcons knocking off Boise State last week certainly helped the Midshipmen in this whole G5 argument!!
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vball10setlike_that;1827001 wrote:They lost to AF, and AF won the commanders cup. Not even an argument, they aren't the best academy team.
lolCon_Alma;1827006 wrote:
P.S. It's not a "Cup". It's the Commander In Chief Trophy. -
Ironman92
This thread sucks.
I hope the committee rigs it and after games this weekend jump WMU to about #13 (not that crazy as teams above them lost and didn't hardly drop and a couple have 3 losses) and Navy lose a spot or two to make the gap significant and Army/Navy result moo.