Ohio State Recruiting Thread
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devil1197BigGain, I think there is a certain MLB right now who is making a case to be grouped with some of OSU's best. Brian Rolle was a beast this year in the middle and he is only 5'11.
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Big Gain
devil, I knew someone would be silly enough to mention Brian Rolle in the same breath as Hawk, JL and Spielman, but not you. I AM SHOCKED!!!!devil1197 wrote: BigGain, I think there is a certain MLB right now who is making a case to be grouped with some of OSU's best. Brian Rolle was a beast this year in the middle and he is only 5'11.
You actually think Brian Rolle is in the class of Spielman?? Was Rolle a 1st Team All American this year? You think Rolle will win the Lombardi award next year? You think Rolle will start in the NFL and lead his team in tackles 9 years in a row? Great 5-11 LBs are a rarity. Rolle won't even be a 1st team All Big Ten LB next year. At best Rolle will be a special teams player in the NFL.
McVey could be a very nice player for Ohio State. BUT, would you bet the farm he will be a 1st round draft choice? Rolle sure won't be. Hell, the 1st NFL mock draft doesn't even have Thadeus Gibson going in the first 2 rounds. With what Ohio State has in the pipe line at LB, certainly you aren't trying to tell us McVey will start before his Junior year at best. You don't think Ohio State will recruit any stud LB's the next 2 years that could be better than McVey? -
chief_wigamBrian Rolle was not a beast in the middle. He played good against spread teams but struggled BIG TIME against traditional power running attacks. He is a decent MLB and is a great playmaker but he is still a Will that is playing out of position. He would be a beast at WLB.
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devil1197First off, AJ Hawk is 6'1 250, JL 6'2 244. So I don't know where you are getting comparing them to the 5'11 stat.
No one is talking NFL careers here. Strictly college I can see Rolle having a huge year next season at MLB. He'll certainly improve on his tackles (which were around 100 or so)
For having his first year as a starter, on one of the best defenses overall at OSU in a long time, I think Rolle had a great year. If he only improves, which he will, there is no reason to think he couldn't be a 1st teamer. He has impressed me more than any other player this year outside of possibly Heyward.
Where did he struggle big time against traditional power attacks? Other than Wisconsin there aren't many power attacks left in the B10 or their OOC games. Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Toledo, and Oregon are all passing/spread teams. PSUand USC are balanced and Iowa is a running team but passed 33 times against OSU.
These two teams I would consider power rushing teams other than Iowa who ran only 24 times against OSU.
Wisconsin: 14 tackles total .5 TFl/2 yards. Shut down the best RB in the B10 and the OPOY.
Navy (option): 9 tackles 1 TFL 1 INT on the 2 point coversion. Overall the worst game for the OSU defense as a whole.
I am not saying he is better than any of those players, but he has done a damn good job at MLB considering no one else wanted to step up. If he has another year, with obvious improvement, he'll be a nice draft pick in the NFL. He'll get overshadowed because the OSU defense as a whole is great. -
charliehustle14Rolle is in a very good position to make a name for himself next year, despite being undersized.
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charliehustle14
I disagree, greatly.chief_wigam wrote: Brian Rolle was not a beast in the middle. He played good against spread teams but struggled BIG TIME against traditional power running attacks. He is a decent MLB and is a great playmaker but he is still a Will that is playing out of position. He would be a beast at WLB.
He was making a ton of plays against USC and Wisconsin, both with established, power running attacks. And he did a great job bottling up Royster against Penn State. The only game where I remember him struggling against the run was VS Iowa in the 2nd half. -
Quint
Rolle is a solid LB. I agree with charliehustle14, he did struggle late in the season against Iowa and Michigan a little if my memory serves me correct. But, he continually made plays all season. -
detectivegibblesThe thing with Rolle is that none of his hits are highlight real hits, being only 5'11. He is a fundamental tackler and makes plays. Homan was the most impressive, and I don't understand why he doesn't play middle and let Rolle roam outside but this is why I am here and not coaching.
Rolle will be an all big team LB next year. I think him and Homan both, Homan being 1st team, rolle possibly. -
0311sdpRolle is a good player playing out of position, he is too small to play the middle against power running teams, and he misses a ton of tackles. With his speed he would probably be great on the outside. I agree he played very well against the spread (because of his speed) but not so well against power teams. He will play somewhere I beleive on Sunday though and not just special teams.
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gorocks99
Per a USC article, Seantrel Henderson's dad says it's down to USC, OSU, ND, Miami, and Minnesota. Still up in the air with the visit to Miami on the horizon and some in-home visits left:
http://minnesota.scout.com/2/941869.html
USC head coach Lane Kiffin and his father, Monte Kiffin, continued to crisscross the country visiting recruits, and the duo made a stop in Minnesota on Wednesday night for an in-home visit with Scout’s top overall prospect, Seantrel Henderson
USC head coach Lane Kiffin and his father, Monte Kiffin, continued to crisscross the country visiting recruits, and the duo made a stop in Minnesota on Wednesday night for an in-home visit with Scout’s top overall prospect, Seantrel Henderson.
The in-home visit was the first opportunity for the Henderson’s to meet USC’s new head coach and defensive coordinator and hear about their plans for Seantrel and his future.
“The visit went great. I got to meet head coach Lane Kiffin and his father, Monte Kiffin,” Seantrel’s father, Sean Henderson said. “To be able to put a face to the name and actually meet these guys went really well.
“Lane actually graduated from high school in Minnesota about three or four years after I graduated from high school so we all had a couple of things in common. They are real great guys.”
Sean Henderson raved about how thorough the coaches’ presentation was and also mentioned that he has been impressed with how the new staff has held the recruiting class together since the departure of Pete Carroll.
“They did a real job of utilizing their time. They showed everything about the school, the tradition, the past and current players, accolades and all that,” Sean Henderson said. “I think USC did a great job of coming and giving it to him straight.
“They have maintained all of the recruiting that Pete Carroll and his staff were doing. All of the guys that were in place are still in play and some of these guys have already started classes already, so everything is looking positive.
“Like I said, my son has just less than a week to make a decision and we just wanted to get him to meet the coaches, and let the coaches put their best foot forward, and give Seantrel as much information that they could, and do their best job with the small window of opportunity that they have so he can make a sound decision next Wednesday.”
One issue that was addressed during the visit was all the talk and media reports concerning the NCAA investigation of the USC football program and possible sanctions.
“Regardless of where my son chooses to go, whether he picks USC or not, I still wish those guys the best because with the allegations that are going on I really hope that it doesn’t affect the new coaching staff and these new guys that are coming in there. The media and some of the people out there have been putting a lot of flack on USC for maybe a couple of bad decisions made maybe by some people or players.
“For some reason, people like to point the finger at USC because of what they have done in the past and the success that they have had, and kind of want to bring them down a little bit, and I don’t think that is fair to anybody. It’s about these kids and their future.
"They said they are just allegations and nobody has been actually convicted of anything. A lot of this stuff could just be hearsay."
Henderson will make take his final official visit to Miami this week and has narrowed down his list of schools to USC, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Miami, Minnesota and Florida with an announcement set for signing day.
“I honestly think it’s still up in the air,” Sean Henderson said. “He still has one final home visit with Miami and a final trip to Miami. Then we come back Sunday and will spend the last few hours with the (Minnesota) Gophers. Then everything has to be done. There is no more contact after midnight on Sunday.
“He will have roughly two days after that to really, really think hard about what he wants to do and where he feels most comfortable. I told him to trust his gut. I don’t pressure him; I just want him to take the most time possible.” -
j_crazy
I still think Hedo goes to USC. -
Quint
Someone posted this on scout.com. Its a Columbus Distpatch article about Roby.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2010/01/29/osufb_1-29.ART_ART_01-29-10_C1_S8GEHSF.html?sid=101 -
darbypitcher22
Why?j_crazy wrote: I still think Hedo goes to USC. -
j_crazy
I don't know I just get that feeling. He looks like a USC guy.
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darbypitcher22
Ray Small supposedly looked like a USC guy too. he ended up being a Buckeye; not real productive, but just sayin....
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centralbucksfan
I wouldn't count on that. If you read that article, dad mentions the allegations and stuff going on at USC. Although he was very positive in his talk about USC...those allegations are still very much on his mind. And those are huge negatives. Ya never know...but I found it interesting he brought those up.j_crazy wrote: I still think Hedo goes to USC. -
jhay78
^^When his dad said "Regardless of where my son chooses to go, whether he picks USC or not, I still wish those guys the best" I immediately thought USC is out.
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gorocks99
Gotta take into account he was talking to the USC reporters, too. Meaning he knows what he needs to focus on and was probably egged into a lot of questions.
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devil1197Henderson to OSU I am pretty positive imo.
Anderson canceled his visit to USC and people are rumbling that he wants into the OSU class. -
devil1197Also, Moses sounds great and is very close to qualifying.
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darbypitcher22
Forget Anderson. He had his chance and picked WVU in front of a national television audience. Sorry buddy, but you had your chance, we moved onto other guys, its a little late
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Big Gain
First off Hawk didn't weigh 250 at Ohio State. Secondly you prove my point. Rolle is 5'11 not 6-1 or 6-2 like Hawk and JL. He can not carry the weight a 6-2 LB can. Rolle's value at the COLLEGE level is his quickness. If he put on 25 pounds he would be worthless. VERY few 5-11 LBS can carry 240lbs and play at a high level. Spielaman did, he was a rarity. It is highly unlikely McVey could either. He could very well be another Rolle. That being the case he won't have a shot at starting until he's a Junior nor will he ever be a 1st Team All Big Ten caliber LB. Like Rolle won't be regarded highly enough next year to be a 1st Team All Big Ten LB.devil1197 wrote: First off, AJ Hawk is 6'1 250, JL 6'2 244. So I don't know where you are getting comparing them to the 5'11 stat.
No one is talking NFL careers here. Strictly college I can see Rolle having a huge year next season at MLB. He'll certainly improve on his tackles (which were around 100 or so)
For having his first year as a starter, on one of the best defenses overall at OSU in a long time, I think Rolle had a great year. If he only improves, which he will, there is no reason to think he couldn't be a 1st teamer. He has impressed me more than any other player this year outside of possibly Heyward.
Where did he struggle big time against traditional power attacks? Other than Wisconsin there aren't many power attacks left in the B10 or their OOC games. Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Toledo, and Oregon are all passing/spread teams. PSUand USC are balanced and Iowa is a running team but passed 33 times against OSU.
These two teams I would consider power rushing teams other than Iowa who ran only 24 times against OSU.
Wisconsin: 14 tackles total .5 TFl/2 yards. Shut down the best RB in the B10 and the OPOY.
Navy (option): 9 tackles 1 TFL 1 INT on the 2 point coversion. Overall the worst game for the OSU defense as a whole.
I am not saying he is better than any of those players, but he has done a damn good job at MLB considering no one else wanted to step up. If he has another year, with obvious improvement, he'll be a nice draft pick in the NFL. He'll get overshadowed because the OSU defense as a whole is great. -
devil1197Dead period starts tonight at midnight.
OSU's final targets are Henderson, James, Moses, and Brown. Still keep an eye on what Louis will do, similar to Justin Green. All Buckeye until signing day and then signs with Illinois. Too bad he has already left the Illini.
-Moses may not be able to commit by Wednesday.
-Henderson liked his visit to Miami along with his other trips. Some articles floating around that are favoring OSU but we'll see come Wednesday. The Henderson's have been told to keep it quiet so the announcement is legit on Wednesday.
-Nothing new on James, he is ND.
-Brown liked his visit to Louisville and OSU may lose out on him if he really wants to be a QB. The final three are UC, L'Ville, and OSU -
devil1197Something cool to read, it was in the Dispatch.
2002
Five-year record: 55-9 (.859)
Best players: QB Troy Smith, LB A.J. Hawk, C Nick Mangold, RB Maurice Clarett, WR Santonio Holmes, LB Bobby Carpenter
Overachievers: Hawk was rated a three-star recruit, and there was some thought that he might play fullback. Smith was a four-star prospect, but not necessarily as a quarterback. Holmes and OL T.J. Downing were three-star prospects who turned into multi-year starters.
Underachievers: LB Mike D'Andrea was a five-star, can't-miss type whose career was derailed by injuries. Two offensive linemen, R.J. Coleman and Tim Schafer, were four-star prospects who never established themselves.
Summary: A large, star-studded class without too many misses. It produced a Heisman winner (Smith), two other All-Americans (Hawk and Mangold) and a ton of other productive players, such as Doug Datish, Mike Kudla, Quinn Pitcock and Nate Salley. And, of course, the one-year Clarett comet.
Rivals.com rank (nationally): No. 5
Our rank: No. 1
2003
Five-year record: 52-11 (.825)
Best players: S Donte Whitner, WR Anthony Gonzalez, OL Kirk Barton
Overachievers: Barton was a three-star recruit who ended up starting 40 games and earning All-America honors in 2007. Whitner was a four-star who elevated to All-America status.
Underachievers: Take your pick. Of the 15 players in the class, eight did not make it past three years for disciplinary or academic reasons: TE Louis Irizarry, RB Ira Guilford, WR Darius Hiley, just to name a few of the more highly touted.
Summary: Say this about 2003: It lived down to expectations. It was a small class devastated by an epidemic of off-field issues. When the positive contributors can nearly be counted on one hand (six), that's not good.
Rivals.com rank (nationally): No. 41
Our rank: No. 7
2004
Five-year record: 51-12 (.810)
Best players: WR Ted Ginn Jr., DE Vernon Gholston, LB Marcus Freeman, RB Antonio Pittman
Overachievers: Gholston was a four-star who played at a five-star level. There were four lowly two-star recruits who at least became solid contributors: FB Dionte Johnson, TE/FB Brandon Smith, LB Curtis Terry and P A.J. Trapasso.
Underachievers: There were many injury or "other reason" washouts, including four-star guys such as WR Albert Dukes, WR Devon Lyons and RB Erik Haw. Four-star OL Kyle Mitchum never made it past second string.
Summary: Sheer numbers (23 in the class) meant there were some success stories. But percentage-wise, there were way too many underachievers. This was not the worst class, but there's no question it was the most overrated.
Rivals.com rank (nationally): No. 9
Our rank: No. 6
2005
Five-year record: 54-10 (.844)
Best players: LB James Laurinaitis, CB Malcolm Jenkins, OL Alex Boone, WR Brian Robiskie
Overachievers: Easy -- Laurinaitis and Jenkins were three-star prospects. Both ended up as All-Americans and high NFL draft picks. Also, S Anderson Russell and CB Donald Washington were two-star recruits, expected to simply fill roster spots. Both were multi-year starters.
Underachievers: Boone was a five-star recruit, so even starting for three years meant he didn't fulfill expectations. QB Rob Schoenhoft, RB Maurice Wells and DB Jamario O'Neal were four-stars who didn't blossom, either.
Summary: Easily the most underrated of Tressel's classes. It narrowly missed beating out 2002 for the top class, held back only because its smaller size -- 17, compared with 24 in 2002 -- means it didn't produce as many good players. WR Brian Hartline, DL Doug Worthington and OL Jim Cordle also came out of this group.
Rivals.com rank (nationally): No. 12
Our rank: No. 2
2006
Four-year record: 43-8 (.843)
Best players: RB Chris "Beanie" Wells, S Kurt Coleman, DE Thaddeus Gibson, LB Ross Homan
Overachievers: Three players came in as three-star recruits, and all three have moved up into the "solid starter" category: OL Bryant Browning, CB Chimdi Chekwa and DT Dexter Larimore.
Underachievers: DE Rob Rose was a five-star prospect. Injuries hampered him somewhat, but that's not the sole reason for his spotty production. OL Connor Smith came in as a four-star guy and still has not cracked the rotation. WR Ray Small was a four-star, but off-field issues held him back.
Summary: A solid class. A few guys can still affect the final outcome -- Homan could become an All-American, for example. And injured LB Tyler Moeller (three stars) is hoping for a return this season.
Rivals.com rank (nationally): No. 12
Our rank: No. 4
2007
Three-year record: 32-7 (.821)
Best players: DL Cameron Heyward, LB Brian Rolle, RB Brandon Saine, RB Daniel Herron, CB Devon Torrence
Overachievers: So far, the only player who fills this spot is WR Dane Sanzenbacher, a three-star prospect who has developed into a fine starter. Just about everyone else was a four-star recruit, so it's going to be tough to overachieve. Heyward might do it, though.
Underachievers: Discounting the four-star players who left the program (Eugene Clifford, James Scott), four-star guys such as WR Taurian Washington, DB Nate Oliver and DE Solomon Thomas are in danger of earning this tag.
Summary: The main reason for its low ranking is its size (15 players) and lack of five-star prospects. It certainly has produced some fine players, just not quite enough of them.
Rivals.com rank (nationally): No. 15
Our rank: No. 5
2008
Two-year record: 21-5 (.808)
Best players: QB Terrelle Pryor, WR DeVier Posey, C Michael Brewster
Overachievers: Too early to tell. Players such as OL J.B. Shugarts and DE Nathan Williams were four-star prospects, so they will have to be superstars to be considered overachievers. DB Orhian Johnson might be one to watch; he was a three-star prospect who could be a multi-year starter at safety.
Underachievers: Again, it's too soon to label someone's career. The closest we can fairly say is that WR Lamaar Thomas (four-star) struggled for playing time and transferred, and OL Mike Adams was a five-star recruit who has yet to seize a starting job.
Summary: It's a little premature to make a definitive judgment. However, three of the four five-star recruits -- Pryor, Brewster and Posey -- are well on their way, and most of the other 15 players have potential. It's a good start.
Rivals.com rank (nationally): No. 4
Our rank: No. 3 -
77Legend
Thought Troy Smith was a 2 or 3 star? Anyone have a link to our 2010 class?