Who's the Heisman favorite now?

• karen lotz

  

  what is teamrankings.com?
• Crimson streak

  

  wes_mantooth;1324227 wrote:Can't really go by just that either.... Level of competition has to be figured.

  
  I agree but if one guy has more plays then the other obviously he's going to have better stats because he played more. And looking at Shaziers stats he did alot of his damage against UAB, Cal, Purdue, and Illinois. Real tough competition there
• karen lotz

  

  Pick6;1324319 wrote:All LBs have a mix of read, and blitz or zone and man. Its all the same.

  
  tell me more.
• Crimson streak

  

  Pick6;1324319 wrote:All LBs have a mix of read, and blitz or zone and man. Its all the same.

  
  No it really isn't at all
• Pick6

  

  Crimson streak;1324329 wrote:No it really isn't at all

  Ok.
• Pick6

  

  Crimson streak;1324325 wrote:I agree but if one guy has more plays then the other obviously he's going to have better stats because he played more. And looking at Shaziers stats he did alot of his damage against UAB, Cal, Purdue, and Illinois. Real tough competition there

  So what your saying is, he played his best when he was at the "ever so different" MLB position?
  I noticed Te'o played his worst against lower levels of competition. The best player in the country should excel against all competition right?
• wes_mantooth

  

  Crimson streak;1324325 wrote:I agree but if one guy has more plays then the other obviously he's going to have better stats because he played more. And looking at Shaziers stats he did alot of his damage against UAB, Cal, Purdue, and Illinois. Real tough competition there

  
  Yeah, I wasn't saying it to favor shazier..... I just think it had to be figured in.
• Crimson streak

  

  Pick6;1324337 wrote:So what your saying is, he played his best when he was at the "ever so different" MLB position?
  I noticed Te'o played his worst against lower levels of competition. The best player in the country should excel against all competition right?

  
  Lol you take your guy that does good against shit opponents and ill take manti who had his biggest games against the best teams ND faced all year.
• LJ

  

  Crimson streak;1324348 wrote:Lol you take your guy that does good against shit opponents and ill take manti who had his biggest games against the best teams ND faced all year.

  Shazier has had great performances in OSU's biggest games this year, I am not sure what you are talking about.
• End of Line

  

  Dem tough offenses ND have played this year....
  
  Clay Travis ‏@ClayTravisBGID
  Notre Dame offensive opponent ranks out of 120: 12, 58, 65, 67, 70, 75, 85, 94, 98 & 117. AWFUL offenses. Defense = overrated.
• sleeper

  

  se-alum;1324256 wrote:I'm a Buckeye fan, and I think Manziel deserves it the most.

  They won't give it to a freshman.
• sleeper

  

  karen lotz;1324296 wrote:Shazier is an outside linebacker, Te'o is an inside linebacker. Compare stats all you want, but when you say he isn't the best at his position and compare him to a different position, I LOL.

  Inside LB is your main playmaker. The fact that Shazier is putting up better numbers playing outside is a testament to him being the overall better player.
• killer_ewok

  

  End of Line;1324387 wrote:Dem tough offenses ND have played this year....
  
  Clay Travis ‏@ClayTravisBGID
  Notre Dame offensive opponent ranks out of 120: 12, 58, 65, 67, 70, 75, 85, 94, 98 & 117. AWFUL offenses. Defense = overrated.

  
  That 85th ranked offense just beat Oregon in Eugene.
• sleeper

  

  killer_ewok;1324398 wrote:That 85th ranked offense just beat Oregon in Eugene.

  Irrelevant. ND has played good defense because they have played terrible offenses.
  
  Personally cannot wait for the championship game when Alabama runs the train on ND. LOL
• Crimson streak

  

  sleeper;1324393 wrote:Inside LB is your main playmaker. The fact that Shazier is putting up better numbers playing outside is a testament to him being the overall better player.

  
  Not necessarily, in the 3-4 your olb's are your main play makers/ pass rushers where in the 4-3 the middle lb is the main guy. Nd runs a 3-4 and sometimes plays with 4 guys down.
• killer_ewok

  

  End of Line;1324387 wrote:Dem tough offenses ND have played this year....
  
  Clay Travis ‏@ClayTravisBGID
  Notre Dame offensive opponent ranks out of 120: 12, 58, 65, 67, 70, 75, 85, 94, 98 & 117. AWFUL offenses. Defense = overrated.

  
  Also, Clay left out Miami(FL) who ranks at 49th in total offense.
• LJ

  

  End of Line;1324387 wrote:Dem tough offenses ND have played this year....
  
  Clay Travis ‏@ClayTravisBGID
  Notre Dame offensive opponent ranks out of 120: 12, 58, 65, 67, 70, 75, 85, 94, 98 & 117. AWFUL offenses. Defense = overrated.

  OSU- 12 41 48 60 62 75 77 78 83 94 116
  
  ND average- 74.1
  OSU average- 67.7
• Crimson streak

  

  Notre dame's defense is so over rated they shut down the 12th ranked offense. And there offense is so bad they scored more points than Oregon did against Stanford.
• killer_ewok

  

  sleeper;1324401 wrote:Irrelevant. ND has played good defense because they have played terrible offenses.
  
  Personally cannot wait for the championship game when Alabama runs the train on ND. LOL

  
  Irrelevant would be offensive rankings of opponents. ND is #1 in the BCS right now and the offensive rank of their opponents is irrelevant when it comes to that.
• sleeper

  

  killer_ewok;1324411 wrote:Irrelevant would be offensive rankings of opponents. ND is #1 in the BCS right now and the offensive rank of their opponents is irrelevant when it comes to that.

  ND will be irrelevant when they lose the BCS Championship game 56-0. Enjoy your paper ranking though!
• Crimson streak

  

  sleeper;1324417 wrote:ND will be irrelevant when they lose the BCS Championship game 56-0. Enjoy your paper ranking though!

  
  Keep it coming I seriously am loving all the nd hate right now it puts a huge smile on my face
• sleeper

  

  Crimson streak;1324419 wrote:Keep it coming I seriously am loving all the nd hate right now it puts a huge smile on my face

  I didn't realize facts constitute hate. Do I need to bring up ND's BCS bowl record? LOL
• killer_ewok

  

  sleeper;1324417 wrote:ND will be irrelevant when they lose the BCS Championship game 56-0. Enjoy your paper ranking though!

  
  So getting blown out by an SEC team in the BCS title game makes a program irrelevant? Hmmm......
• sleeper

  

  killer_ewok;1324421 wrote:So getting blown out by an SEC team in the BCS title game makes a program irrelevant? Hmmm......

  No but losing every BCS bowl game you've ever played in by an average of 24.33 points does. LOL
• Fly4Fun

  

  Crimson streak;1324226 wrote:Like I said I wanna know how many plays each has played and then prorate the stats. Ill put money on it te'o would have better stats

  I can't find any stat for how many plays each player did individually... couldn't even find an official "total defensive snaps" or anything like that. So I went to each game and added the rush attempts and pass attempts to find total number of offensive snaps for each opposing team. Obviously this won't be accurate as it doesn't account for how many snaps each player actually took... but I don't have that information so I just did the best I could with what I could find.
  
  ND so far has had 706 defensive snap (64.2 per game). OSU has 800 (72.8 per game).
  
  Shazier: Tackle every 7.3 snaps; TFL every 55 snaps; Sack every 200; PD every 80 snaps; etc.. for rest
  
  Te'o: Tackle every 7.2 snaps; TFL every 128; Sack every 470; PD every 176; etc for rest.
  
  Tackling rate is about even, but the difference in potential snaps doesn't really even it out for the other categories.