Who's the Heisman favorite now?
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Pick6
I think Matheiu was more deserving than Suh due to the plays he made on defense and special teams.karen lotz;1324182 wrote:Suh? -
sleeper
Suh. Matheiu wasn't even the best corner on his team.Pick6;1324181 wrote:If a defensive player ever deserved the reward again, it should have been Matheiu last year, IMO. -
Pick6
He was the best playmaker thoughsleeper;1324186 wrote:Suh. Matheiu wasn't even the best corner on his team. -
WebFireTe'o isn't even in the top 50 nationally for solo tackles or TFLs. As a linebacker. That's why the 6 INTs isn't as impressive to me. You can't win a Heisman just because you have 6 INTs (some given to you) as a LB. It's not enough.
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sjmvsfscs08
It's the #1 defense in the country, and Notre Dame's offense has dominated time of possession this season. No wonder he isn't leading the country in tackles or anything.WebFire;1324192 wrote:Te'o isn't even in the top 50 nationally for solo tackles or TFLs. As a linebacker. That's why the 6 INTs isn't as impressive to me. You can't win a Heisman just because you have 6 INTs (some given to you) as a LB. It's not enough.
That's why things like leading his team in tackles by 40+ is important. Just because you aren't on the field (because you force punts/turnovers) doesn't mean you aren't being an animal.
It's sorta why they didn't give Heismans to Hawaii QBs... -
End of Line
He's not even the best player at his position. I'm going to compare him to Shazier, again.karen lotz;1324180 wrote:"The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work."
Please list which criteria he is lacking in.
Shazier: 109 tackles (67 Solo, 42 assisted), 14.5 TFL (64 yds lost), 4 Sacks (36 yds lost), 10 PD, 3 FF, 1 INT, 1 TD
Te'o: 98 tackles (49 Solo, 49 assisted), 5.5 TFL (19 yds lost), 1.5 Sacks (13 yds lost), 4 PD, 6 INT
http://www.cfbstats.com/
Te'o is a great player but compared to other ILB's and defensive players, he's not the best. -
Mooney44Cards
Marshall has the best quarterback in the country because he has the most passing yards!End of Line;1324207 wrote:He's not even the best player at his position. I'm going to compare him to Shazier, again.
Shazier: 109 tackles (67 Solo, 42 assisted), 14.5 TFL (64 yds lost), 4 Sacks (36 yds lost), 10 PD, 3 FF, 1 INT, 1 TD
Te'o: 98 tackles (49 Solo, 49 assisted), 5.5 TFL (19 yds lost), 1.5 Sacks (13 yds lost), 4 PD, 6 INT
http://www.cfbstats.com/
Te'o is a great player but compared to other ILB's and defensive players, he's not the best. -
vball10setkaren lotz;1324180 wrote:"The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work.".
This pretty much excludes Mathieu.Pick6;1324181 wrote:If a defensive player ever deserved the reward again, it should have been Matheiu last year, IMO. -
Pick6
Should have excluded Bush and T. SMith as well thenvball10set;1324215 wrote:This pretty much excludes Mathieu. -
Crimson streak
End of Line;1324207 wrote:He's not even the best player at his position. I'm going to compare him to Shazier, again.
Shazier: 109 tackles (67 Solo, 42 assisted), 14.5 TFL (64 yds lost), 4 Sacks (36 yds lost), 10 PD, 3 FF, 1 INT, 1 TD
Te'o: 98 tackles (49 Solo, 49 assisted), 5.5 TFL (19 yds lost), 1.5 Sacks (13 yds lost), 4 PD, 6 INT
http://www.cfbstats.com/
Te'o is a great player but compared to other ILB's and defensive players, he's not the best.
Like I said I wanna know how many plays each has played and then prorate the stats. Ill put money on it te'o would have better stats -
wes_mantooth
Crimson streak;1324226 wrote:Like I said I wanna know how many plays each has played and then prorate the stats. Ill put money on it te'o would have better stats
Can't really go by just that either.... Level of competition has to be figured. -
sleeper
Keep spinning.Crimson streak;1324226 wrote:Like I said I wanna know how many plays each has played and then prorate the stats. Ill put money on it te'o would have better stats -
se-alum
I'm a Buckeye fan, and I think Manziel deserves it the most. -
karen lotz
End of Line;1324207 wrote:He's not even the best player at his position. I'm going to compare him to Shazier, again.
Shazier: 109 tackles (67 Solo, 42 assisted), 14.5 TFL (64 yds lost), 4 Sacks (36 yds lost), 10 PD, 3 FF, 1 INT, 1 TD
Te'o: 98 tackles (49 Solo, 49 assisted), 5.5 TFL (19 yds lost), 1.5 Sacks (13 yds lost), 4 PD, 6 INT
http://www.cfbstats.com/
Te'o is a great player but compared to other ILB's and defensive players, he's not the best.
Shazier is an outside linebacker, Te'o is an inside linebacker. Compare stats all you want, but when you say he isn't the best at his position and compare him to a different position, I LOL. -
Pick6
an LB is an LB. Also, Shazier has spent a fair amount of time this year at MLB. LOL. I say since Shazier is more versatile, he is the better player.karen lotz;1324296 wrote:Shazier is an outside linebacker, Te'o is an inside linebacker. Compare stats all you want, but when you say he isn't the best at his position and compare him to a different position, I LOL. -
karen lotz
wes_mantooth;1324227 wrote:Can't really go by just that either.... Level of competition has to be figured.
are you saying level of competition would help Shazier's cause? -
LJ
Johnny Football should run away with it without a doubt. -
karen lotz
Pick6;1324301 wrote:an LB is an LB. Also, Shazier has spent a fair amount of time this year at MLB. LOL. I say since Shazier is more versatile, he is the better player.
sorry, you couldn't be more wrong about all linebackers being the same as far as responsibilities go. please keep showing your deep understanding of football. -
wes_mantooth
karen lotz;1324302 wrote:are you saying level of competition would help Shazier's cause?
No...I was just saying that in general that should be figured in -
Pick6
Where did I say anything about responsibilities? Keep putting words in my mouth.karen lotz;1324306 wrote:sorry, you couldn't be more wrong about all linebackers being the same as far as responsibilities go. please keep showing your deep understanding of football. -
karen lotz
Pick6;1324309 wrote:Where did I say anything about responsibilities? Keep putting words in my mouth.
ok let's compare a tailback and a fullback stats wise, they are both RB's right? you said a LB is a LB in response to me saying OLB are different than ILB. what else could you have meant? -
Pick6
are you saying it would help Te'O's cause?karen lotz;1324302 wrote:are you saying level of competition would help Shazier's cause?
OSU and ND's schedule are virtually identicial in terms of strength.
http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/strength-of-schedule-by-team -
Crimson streak
Pick6;1324301 wrote:an LB is an LB. Also, Shazier has spent a fair amount of time this year at MLB. LOL. I say since Shazier is more versatile, he is the better player.
No it's really not. There is a huge difference between MLB and olb especially in different schemes. If you don't know the difference you really don't know football -
karen lotz
Pick6;1324313 wrote:are you saying it would help Te'O's cause?
OSU and ND's schedule are virtually identicial in terms of strength.
http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/strength-of-schedule-by-team
I actually didn't say anything in regards to strength of schedule, I asked what mantooth meant. Keep putting words in my mouth. -
Pick6
All LBs have a mix of read, and blitz or zone and man. Its all the same.karen lotz;1324312 wrote:ok let's compare a tailback and a fullback stats wise, they are both RB's right? you said a LB is a LB in response to me saying OLB are different than ILB. what else could you have meant?