Herron Out For Nebraska, Posey Five Extra Games

• Writerbuckeye

  

  Meh, there's a conspiracy theory out there that Gene Smith has done all these nefarious things to try and cover this up. Well, if he has, he's done a piss poor job.
  
  Gene Smith probably is a very good person on some level -- but he's an incompetent boob when it comes to dealing with crisis communications.
  
  Starting with that abortion of a press conference in March, it's been mostly downhill since. The management of information via the NCAA has been poor, and the result has been OSU staying in the news for long periods of time.
  
  What he should have done is realize he (and possibly the OSU media relations staff) was out of their league on this one. No shame there, most regular media folks are when a crisis hits and you're inundated with media all of a sudden.
  
  It would have been wise to bring in a crisis communications consultant to help better organize when and how information would be released.
  
  For instance: this latest "update" on suspensions should never have been a press conference. They should have released the documents and statements, and told the media no more information would be forthcoming until the matter was resolved.
  
  That eliminates the spectacle of the press conference and the bumbling of Smith trying to answer questions from the press. He's simply not good at it, so why continue to put yourself out there? Be smart enough to know when to delegate this stuff to an expert. OSU has the resources to do so.
  
  If media insist on some time with Smith, he simply schedules a media conference call, and allows questions (to a degree). Otherwise, let them know they'll be contacted when further information is available -- and then do so when you get a decision from the NCAA.
  
  Constantly parading people in front of the cameras and mics creates a "perp walk" atmosphere for video and photography, and lends more scope to what's happening than is warranted.
  
  Just a few observations on my part...
• Mortgagestar1

  The NCAA could stop these boosters & sports agents from corrupting the process by financially imposing penalties and lobbying the state's legislators for criminal laws. However, the NCAA is a corrupt entity in itself.
• vball10set

  For instance: this latest "update" on suspensions should never have been a press conference. They should have released the documents and statements, and told the media no more information would be forthcoming until the matter was resolved.

  I agree with you, and after listening to this press conference, wondered why this was called as well. Smith seems extremely uncomfortable during these pressers, which makes him appear as though he's not telling the entire truth. Maybe this is why many of us are hesitant to believe he was blind to everything that was going on....jmo
• sleeper

  

  vball10set;921389 wrote:You are correct, sir, and I never implied otherwise. Other than extolling the virtues of OSU's various sports teams, I don't recall ever saying that a degree from OSU was better than a degree from any other educational institution....that's all

  +1
• Tiernan

  Be lucky to win 3 more games. End of Days upon us.
• ksig489

  sleeper;921146 wrote:The problem lies in the media too. Since OSU self-reports, it gives the media more material to pile on when something happens. The average fan(read: hater) will take it and run with the whole "OMG cheaters SO DIRTY HAMMER THEM", and the media wants to generate readership so it'll drum the same line.If you don't self report there is less the media has to run off of.

  All of this started because OSU did NOT self-report. Tressell lied and covered up...that is why it has gotten as bad as it has. If he reports as soon as he gets word of things...this whole thing would have ended last year with a few suspensions of players. The lies and cover up is what got the NCAA to hit them with a full investigation.
• derek bomar

  

  thedynasty1998;921345 wrote:I know 3 ND alums personally. One is my uncle who probably makes $600,000 a year. One is the head of game day entertainment for the Blue Jackets who I'm assuming makes a max of $80,000. A third works in state government and makes a max of $60,000.
  
  The mean is about $240,000. So it's easy to see how numbers can be skewed. Although I'm sure that ND grads make more money on average I wouldn't necessarily credit their alumni base, because schools like OSU and Michigan may have an advantage in that regard.

  she doesn't make that muich
  I wish she did make 60...
• Tobias Fünke

  

  Hb31187;921280 wrote:Most football players get basic degrees, bc theyre there to play football, not get an education lol. Thats true at almost all major programs

  Michael Floyd - Sociology
  Gary Gray - Sociology (Grad School)
  Theo Riddick - Film, Television, and Theatre
  Cierre Wood - Film, Television, and Theatre
  Lo Wood - Film, Television, and Theatre
  Braxston Case - Psychology
  
  Manti Te'o - Design
  Carlo Calabrese - Design
  Zeke Motta - Industrial Design
  
  Andrex Hendrix - Biology Pre-Med
  
  TJ Jones - Business
  Prince Shembo - Business
  Tyler Eifert - Finance
  Ethan Johnson - Finance
  Dan Fox - Finance
  Kapron Lewis-Moore - Business Marketing
  Taylor Dever - Business Marketing (Grad School)
  Darius Fleming - Business Management/Consulting
  Zack Martin - Business Management/Consulting
  John Goodman - Business Management/Consulting
  Chris Watt - Business Management/Consulting
  Harrison Smith - Business Entrepreneurship (Grad School)
  David Ruffer - Economics (Grad School)
  Sean Cwynar - MBA Program (Grad School)
  
  Jonas Gray - double major - English and Political Science

  Keep in mind Notre Dame also makes EVERY player graduate on time. Notre Dame has, to my knowledge, the #1 undergrad business program in the country. It's a huge draw for recruits believe it or not. Yes, there are absolutely guys there for football and football alone (Golden Tate and Jimmy Clausen) but they still have to graduate in four years and guys like Jimmy Clausen actually came back while in the NFL to graduate on time.
  

  Jordan Hall - "has not declared a major"
  Chris Fields - "has not declared a major"
  Corey Brown - "has not declared a major"
  Jack Mewhort - "has not declared a major"
  Marcus Hall - "has not declared a major"
  Johnathan Hankins - "has not declared a major"
  Bradley Roby - "has not declared a major"
  Christian Bryant - "has not declared a major"
  CJ Barnett - "has not declared a major"
  
  Michael Brewster - Communication
  
  Zach Boren - Sports and Leisure Studies
  Storm Klien - Sports and Leisure Studies
  
  Jake Stoneburner - Consumer Services
  
  Carlos Hyde - Management and Industry (this guy personally asked me to write a paper for him within 20 minutes of meeting him)
  Andrew Norwell - Management and Industry
  Garrett Goebel - Construction Management
  
  JB Shugarts - Family Resource Management
  Etienne Sabino - Family Resource Management
  Travis Howard - Family Resource Management
  
  John Simon - Exercise Science
  Andrew Sweat - Finance

• Tiernan

  ^^^
  OK dicknose we get it...ND players "on average" have a better GPA, graduation rate and post college placement. But I ask you - "SO Fk'n WHAT!?!?" None of that crap wins football games. I don't pay $70 / week to go watch some of the best Med & Engrg students in the world take boards. And yes this year I'm paying $70 / week to watch probably what should be the best team in the MAC play a Big 10 schedule. But year in and year out for the past 25 yrs. OSU football has been a better entertainment dollar value than ND football.
• WebFire

  Anyone else hearing rumors that Posey might be done for good?
• wkfan

  WebFire;921961 wrote:Anyone else hearing rumors that Posey might be done for good?

  I am good with this.....
• vball10set

  WebFire;921961 wrote:Anyone else hearing rumors that Posey might be done for good?

  IMO, Posey had the most to lose by coming back. I have to give him props for doing so, because he did keep his word....but at what cost?
• LJ

  

  WebFire;921961 wrote:Anyone else hearing rumors that Posey might be done for good?

  I don't think anyone knows anything more than anyone else, but with him getting a check for 20 hours for 0 hours worked, I could see the NCAA dragging their feet on his reinstatement till....oh..... Dec 4th.
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^what cost? the kid is going to school I presume....he should be playing football too. It would be nice to find out exactly how much money he made that was 'improper' to deserve a 6 game suspension (and counting.) It's good to know the NCAA is out there policing all these violators trying to earn some pocket cash.(sarcasm)
• karen lotz

  

  HitsRus;922039 wrote:^^^what cost? the kid is going to school I presume....he should be playing football too. It would be nice to find out exactly how much money he made that was 'improper' to deserve a 6 game suspension (and counting.) It's good to know the NCAA is out there policing all these violators trying to earn some pocket cash.(sarcasm)

  give it up.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  Tiernan;921947 wrote:^^^
  OK dicknose we get it...ND players "on average" have a better GPA, graduation rate and post college placement. But I ask you - "SO Fk'n WHAT!?!?" None of that crap wins football games. I don't pay $70 / week to go watch some of the best Med & Engrg students in the world take boards. And yes this year I'm paying $70 / week to watch probably what should be the best team in the MAC play a Big 10 schedule. But year in and year out for the past 25 yrs. OSU football has been a better entertainment dollar value than ND football.

  
  
  That's really what it's all about though. Ohio State should stop using their players as dancing pandas who illicit an alumni inflow of cash. What is the point of cheering for douchebags who have complete disregard for the university? I'm mainly pointing at the fact that students hated Pryor during the offseason but loved him during, clearly some cognitive dissonance.
  
  You, and plenty of others, have the attitude of "I don't care how dumb they are, I don't care what education they receive, I don't care if they take money and violate rules...I JUST WANT WINS!!" It's a joke.
  
  If you recruit a majority of players who don't care about rules and school, there is probably a lack of character and you probably will see violations.
  
  What good is a win if it's taken away soon after because you have a minor league team? You may get the "entertainment value," but you get the embarrassment of what is happening now too.
  
  Get more Eddie Georges, Craig Krenzels, Chimdi Chekwas, Dane Sanzenbachers.
• Pick6

  

  Tobias Fünke;922045 wrote:
  
  That's really what it's all about though. Ohio State should stop using their players as dancing pandas who illicit an alumni inflow of cash. What is the point of cheering for douchebags who have complete disregard for the university? I'm mainly pointing at the fact that students hated Pryor during the offseason but loved him during, clearly some cognitive dissonance.
  
  You, and plenty of others, have the attitude of "I don't care how dumb they are, I don't care what education they receive, I don't care if they take money and violate rules...I JUST WANT WINS!!" It's a joke.
  
  If you recruit a majority of players who don't care about rules and school, there is probably a lack of character and you probably will see violations.
  
  What good is a win if it's taken away soon after because you have a minor league team? You may get the "entertainment value," but you get the embarrassment of what is happening now too.
  
  Get more Eddie Georges, Craig Krenzels, Chimdi Chekwas, Dane Sanzenbachers.

  eh, at least OSU isnt killing anybody. I would rather have negative press from breaking a few rules than negative press for killing a student.
• karen lotz

  

  Pick6;922060 wrote:eh, at least OSU isnt killing anybody. I would rather have negative press from breaking a few rules than negative press for killing a student.

  
  You are a moron.
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^give it up.
• karen lotz

  

  lol.
• 2kool4skool

  

  Agreed. Some young athletes took some money from some rich people, not a decision I can say makes one a bad human being. Especially at that age.
  
  Meanwhile, some 50 year old's negligence cost a teenager their life and he ducks any responsibility for it. That, is not someone I would be comfortable rooting for.
• karen lotz

  

  keep them coming.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Pick6;922060 wrote:eh, at least OSU isnt killing anybody. I would rather have negative press from breaking a few rules than negative press for killing a student.

  2kool4skool;922084 wrote:Agreed. Some young athletes took some money from some rich people, not a decision I can say makes one a bad human being. Especially at that age.
  
  Meanwhile, some 50 year old's negligence cost a teenager their life and he ducks any responsibility for it. That, is not someone I would be comfortable rooting for.

  +1
• WebFire

  Pick6;922060 wrote:eh, at least OSU isnt killing anybody. I would rather have negative press from breaking a few rules than negative press for killing a student.

  Dumb. Negative reps.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Anyone hear Fickell's comments today? Did he have anything to say about Boom and Posey?