Herron Out For Nebraska, Posey Five Extra Games
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2kool4skool
lolTobias Fünke;921147 wrote:Notre Dame's players go there because they know that when they graduate they'll be making $100,000+/year due to their degree. -
karen lotz
2kool4skool;921268 wrote:lol
Not the first year out of college, but the mid career median salary for a Notre Dame grad is $121,000. -
Manhattan Buckeye
Assuming they are employed.karen lotz;921273 wrote:Not the first year out of college, but the mid career median salary for a Notre Dame grad is $121,000.
Notre Dame has a strong alumni network. I'll give it that. But these stats are absolute bull-hockey, they always have been. Universities have been lying about these numbers for over a decade. I graduated law school in the height of the economic growth, and my alma mater lied about the number of people employed and their salaries. It wasn't 99% (closer to 85%), and the starting salary was about 30% less than the "average" (which is what one received if they lived in New York or DC).
Today, I'm guessing 70% employment at best, with reduced salaries....not just inflation-adjusted but reduced salaries. -
Hb31187
Yeah i believe most normal students make 6 figures with a ND degree. With the degree that most football players get though...id say 6 figures isnt exactly guaranteed -
karen lotz
Hb31187;921276 wrote:Yeah i believe most normal students make 6 figures with a ND degree. With the degree that most football players get though...id say 6 figures isnt exactly guaranteed
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karen lotz
Wouldn't that make the alumni network even that more important?Manhattan Buckeye;921275 wrote:Assuming they are employed.
Notre Dame has a strong alumni network. I'll give it that. But these stats are absolute bull-hockey, they always have been. Universities have been lying about these numbers for over a decade. I graduated law school in the height of the economic growth, and my alma mater lied about the number of people employed and their salaries. It wasn't 99% (closer to 85%), and the starting salary was about 30% less than the "average" (which is what one received if they lived in New York or DC).
Today, I'm guessing 70% employment at best, with reduced salaries....not just inflation-adjusted but reduced salaries. -
Hb31187
Most football players get basic degrees, bc theyre there to play football, not get an education lol. Thats true at almost all major programskaren lotz;921277 wrote:Which degree that most football players get are you referring to? -
Manhattan Buckeye
Absolutely, but the "statistics" are still crap.karen lotz;921278 wrote:Wouldn't that make the alumni network even that more important?
I know one ND grad, he got fired from Cadwalader in Charlotte, moved to VA to work at my firm and was fired again within 6 months due to lack of work. Good guy, I'm FB friends with him and he is taking the Florida bar and working for a smaller firm in Orlando.
He's in his mid-30's, has three children and if he's making mid 100's good for him, but I doubt it. And the Notre Dame degree meant jack squat as far as his hiring and (IMO unjustified) firing in VA. A Notre Dame degree isn't a golden (no pun intended) ticket. -
HitsRus
Care to tell me what major infraction Vanderbilt has had, other than ensure their athletes go to class and graduate and have among the highest SAT scores of any program?
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/26717697
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303936704576400052122863390.html
To their credit they self reported it, but it illustrates the ridiculousness of the rules, and how it is practically impossible NOT to break them, even for a well intentioned program like Vandy. The difference between OSU and this is that Tressel tried to sweep it under the rug. How manyof these types of violations go unnoticed or un reported? Nobody finds out...life goes on. Does any of this really make a difference on the court or field? There is a huge diference between these types of violations and Reggie Bush's $300,000 worth of perks.
A kid works a charitable event and gets $100 for his trouble.....and trouble he does buy. -
vball10setI love listening to subway alumni extoll the virtues of "their school" :rolleyes:
Anyway, as mentioned hundreds of times before, the proverbial can of worms was opened last winter, and OSU will be under the microscope until the parasitic NCAA finds another warm body to feed on. Coach Tressel, the guilty players, Gene Smith, et al brought this on themselves, and The OSU will have to weather the storm until it passes on....GO BUCKS!!! -
thedynasty1998
There is no evidence that OSU self reported prior to Yahoo requesting information. And how ironic that new allegations come out after the Ohio AD said OSU had to release emails.Writerbuckeye;921232 wrote:The self reporting is in how the NCAA got this information to begin with -- and probably since. I'm sure as OSU has gone through paperwork and e-mails, they've uncovered some of this crap. I doubt very much the NCAA has done all the legwork; it's not what they do in most of these cases. They have the schools provide the documents and then they verify stuff and accept it or they don't.
By the way, Columbus has two major league teams: An NHL franchise and a major league soccer team. Now, while I don't particularly think soccer is major league, there's a lot of people (and cities) that disagree. There is no disputing the NHL is major league, though. Do you know nothing about Columbus?
As far as reinstatement goes: I'd prefer they just boot the repeat offenders off the team and move forward, but it's not my call. Just another example of how Gene Smith has not done things the right way in much of this fiasco. I'm sure it will all be part of the reasons given when he's forced to resign or retire after the final NCAA rulings come out.
And yes I know who the pro teams are in Columbus. The Blue Jackets needed the county to bail them out. I'm a sports fan and couldn't name 3 players on their team, let alone identify them if they walked down the street. OSU players are the ones with the notoriety and recognition. -
thedynasty1998
I know 3 ND alums personally. One is my uncle who probably makes $600,000 a year. One is the head of game day entertainment for the Blue Jackets who I'm assuming makes a max of $80,000. A third works in state government and makes a max of $60,000.
The mean is about $240,000. So it's easy to see how numbers can be skewed. Although I'm sure that ND grads make more money on average I wouldn't necessarily credit their alumni base, because schools like OSU and Michigan may have an advantage in that regard. -
bases_loaded
thedynasty1998;921345 wrote:I know 3 ND alums personally. One is my uncle who probably makes $600,000 a year. One is the head of game day entertainment for the Blue Jackets who I'm assuming makes a max of $80,000. A third works in state government and makes a max of $60,000.
The mean is about $240,000. So it's easy to see how numbers can be skewed. Although I'm sure that ND grads make more money on average I wouldn't necessarily credit their alumni base, because schools like OSU and Michigan may have an advantage in that regard.
Unless 33% of ND grads make 10-20xs more than 66% of them that is a terrible example. -
Writerbuckeye
It was documented on other sites that OSU had reported to the NCAA long before Yahoo came out with its story. All the Yahoo story did was push forward the public release of information.thedynasty1998;921344 wrote:There is no evidence that OSU self reported prior to Yahoo requesting information. And how ironic that new allegations come out after the Ohio AD said OSU had to release emails.
And yes I know who the pro teams are in Columbus. The Blue Jackets needed the county to bail them out. I'm a sports fan and couldn't name 3 players on their team, let alone identify them if they walked down the street. OSU players are the ones with the notoriety and recognition.
The Yahoo Story came out on March 7th. Here is a c&p from a summary of events related to that release of information...
The NCAA was reportedly notified of the situation on February 3rd and sent special investigators to the University on February 8th. It is obvious that the University did everything they needed to by NCAA bylaws to solve this problem as quickly as possible.
http://www.thebuckeyebattlecry.com/2011/03/tresser-presser/
Here's a copy of the USA Today version that says the same thing...
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/03/ohio-state-jim-tressel-yahoo-sports-player-suspensions/1
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karen lotz
vball10set;921338 wrote:I love listening to subway alumni extoll the virtues of "their school" :rolleyes:
Anyway, as mentioned hundreds of times before, the proverbial can of worms was opened last winter, and OSU will be under the microscope until the parasitic NCAA finds another warm body to feed on. Coach Tressel, the guilty players, Gene Smith, et al brought this on themselves, and The OSU will have to weather the storm until it passes on....GO BUCKS!!!
I'm pretty sure you have said you went to Toledo. You are essentially a subway alum of Ohio State.
Just sayin' :thumbup::huh: -
FatHobbit
Has anyone read or heard if these summer jobs were in 2011 or a different year? -
karen lotz
Writerbuckeye;921359 wrote:It was documented on other sites that OSU had reported to the NCAA long before Yahoo came out with its story. All the Yahoo story did was push forward the public release of information.
The Yahoo Story came out on March 7th. Here is a c&p from a summary of events related to that release of information...
The NCAA was reportedly notified of the situation on February 3rd and sent special investigators to the University on February 8th. It is obvious that the University did everything they needed to by NCAA bylaws to solve this problem as quickly as possible.
http://www.thebuckeyebattlecry.com/2011/03/tresser-presser/
Here's a copy of the USA Today version that says the same thing...
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/03/ohio-state-jim-tressel-yahoo-sports-player-suspensions/1
Do those links say when Yahoo requested information? Yahoo investigated Shapiro and Miami for what, 11 months? Its safe to assume they didn't start requesting information on March 6th. I'd venture a guess that they started digging close to the time the stuff came out about the tattoos. -
karen lotz
FatHobbit;921374 wrote:Has anyone read or heard if these summer jobs were in 2011 or a different year?
I'm pretty sure Posey's employment ended in March of 2011. Could have heard incorrectly, though. -
vball10set
You are correct, sir, and I never implied otherwise. Other than extolling the virtues of OSU's various sports teams, I don't recall ever saying that a degree from OSU was better than a degree from any other educational institution....that's allkaren lotz;921365 wrote:I'm pretty sure you have said you went to Toledo. You are essentially a subway alum of Ohio State.
Just sayin' :thumbup::huh:
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Scarlet_Buckeye
Reps.stroups;921014 wrote:I think the NCAA is missing the obvious....Bollman got paid for not showing up to work last Saturday, why isn't he suspended for the Nebraska game? -
Writerbuckeye
Does it matter? OSU self-reported. It wasn't "exposed" by Yahoo in their story and unknown to OSU at that point. Lots of things are discovered via tips to media because the tipster doesn't want to go directly to the offending university, business or whatever. Believe me I understand how this typically works, having been employed in media relations by a large state agency that had its share of stories that began this same way.karen lotz;921375 wrote:Do those links say when Yahoo requested information? Yahoo investigated Shapiro and Miami for what, 11 months? Its safe to assume they didn't start requesting information on March 6th. I'd venture a guess that they started digging close to the time the stuff came out about the tattoos.
It's what that organization does with the information after they are contacted by media that is the key.
However OSU found out the information, it then self-reported. -
karen lotz
I'm not saying whether that matters or not. Dynasty made a comment about the timing of Yahoo information request compared to OSU reporting. You responded to that with links to when Yahoo released their information. No one here knows when Yahoo requested information and whether that had any impact at all on when OSU reported to the NCAA. OSU also found the emails in mid January and didn't report them to the NCAA until the day after National Signing Day.
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Scarlet_Buckeye
I agreed with this whole post all the way up to the point when you said Gene Smith is a good person. Gene Smith is an idiot and has set this program back farther than anyone ever has. Did the players screw up? Yes. but by Gene Smith hiding all of this bull crap and tearing up documents, he's basically turned the block O into a bullseye O.HitsRus;921257 wrote:Yeah, writer,,,I've been posting this all summer and got nothing but **** for it. The NCAA rulebook is a joke, and almost impossible to comply with...,...over the years it has become a bloated mess...400 pages of picayune regulations that even the most well intentioned institutions violate. Only 4 BCS schools have never committed a major infraction....three are private institutions whose records are not open to public inspection.( Northwestern, Stanford, Boston College) Penn State is the only public institution.
In a den of thieves, there is no honor. All that matters is whether you get caught trying (or inadvertantly) circumventing the "rules". To the ones that cover their tracks the best goes the spoils.
I am a 'booster' of Ohio State University. I donated an extra $150 to the athletic scholarship fund when I purchased my football tickets. For that I recieved from OSU a 2 page long E-mail informing me that I am a 'booster' and as such I'm subject to NCAA regulations. Do you know that I cannot invite a local high school kid for dinner to promote OSU? I cannot even SPEAK to him about OSU without a coach being present if he is a POSSIBLE recruit. The list goes on.
It's stupid. Period. And for that we hold good people (Gene Smith, Jim Tressel) accountable....and we expect 19 year old kids to be perfect in compliance. -
FatHobbit
What did Gene Smith hide, and what documents did he tear up? That's the first I've ever heard of that.Scarlet_Buckeye;921440 wrote: but by Gene Smith hiding all of this bull crap and tearing up documents, he's basically turned the block O into a bullseye O. -
LJ
Yeah, I'm waiting on some more information on this as well.FatHobbit;921448 wrote:What did Gene Smith hide, and what documents did he tear up? That's the first I've ever heard of that.