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  • Manhattan Buckeye
    "Devier Posey is an example of how one can get ground up in the gears of the system for minor infractions. "

    Would you defend Rhett Bomar in the same manner? Know his story?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2537332

    The interesting tidbit is that Bradford got the QB position eventually.
  • LJ
    thedynasty1998;929865 wrote:Why is he still being defended? So he got paid for 10 hours of work one day? And that includes 5 hours of driving? How dumb does his attorney think people are? That's shady stuff for a communications major who is working for an excavating company of a guy who is having $100 hand shakes with players.
    The drive time thing is not a problem, if he was working for Papa's Burgers it would be shady, but it's not for the type of business he was working for, what he really got in trouble for was the week he got paid for 20 hours and worked 0. THAT was the biggest problem and THAT is a problem.
  • Pick6
    This kind of off topic and im definitely not saying this is what I think happened.. But is there any way to say it was a personal loan? I think I remember Tebow buying one of those hyperbaric chambers with a loan and it was OK because he got a loan based on his future potential or something.
  • enigmaax
    Pick6;929934 wrote:This kind of off topic and im definitely not saying this is what I think happened.. But is there any way to say it was a personal loan? I think I remember Tebow buying one of those hyperbaric chambers with a loan and it was OK because he got a loan based on his future potential or something.
    I doubt it, just based on one point (if I recall correctly) - the loan is a one-time loan of up to $20,000. I haven't kept up with the details on Posey too much, but it seems like there were multiple weeks of pay in question which would mean it wasn't a one time loan.
  • se-alum
    Pick6;929934 wrote:This kind of off topic and im definitely not saying this is what I think happened.. But is there any way to say it was a personal loan? I think I remember Tebow buying one of those hyperbaric chambers with a loan and it was OK because he got a loan based on his future potential or something.
    Student athletes cannot get a loan based on potential future earnings. It was proposed at one time, but never accepted.
  • Pick6
    se-alum;929961 wrote:Student athletes cannot get a loan based on potential future earnings. It was proposed at one time, but never accepted.
    Would have swore thats how Tebow got his hyperbaric chamber while still in college
  • LJ
    se-alum;929961 wrote:Student athletes cannot get a loan based on potential future earnings. It was proposed at one time, but never accepted.
    I am 99% sure they can, it is for a certain amount and it has to be in their final year of eligibility.
  • se-alum
    Pick6;929982 wrote:Would have swore thats how Tebow got his hyperbaric chamber while still in college
    #1: 2000-103

    To permit a student-athlete to obtain a loan (not to exceed $20,000) based on future earnings potential from a centralized lending institution, as specified.
    First the particulars: it wasn’t all student-athletes. Only student-athletes that had qualified for the NCAA’s disability insurance for elite student-athletes. Currently, that would apply to student-athletes who are projected to be drafted in the first round of the NBA, MLB, or WNBA Draft or first three rounds of the NFL or NHL Draft. And it wasn’t a loan from just anyone but from a real bank.
    The Academics/Eligibility/Compliance Cabinet sponsored the proposal through the Management Council, the predecessor to the Legislative Council. The Board of Directors did not yet have authority to sponsor legislation, so 2000-103 came from as close to the top as it could back then.
    And the proposal was never actually defeated in an up and down vote. It was tabled and forgotten until 2008 when the shift to the current governance structure finally killed the proposal. It may not be paying athletes exactly, but it’s the most surprising rule that could have been from the last 10 years.
    http://www.ncaa.org/blog/2011/04/ncaa-rules-that-could-have-been/
  • karen lotz
    HitsRus;929844 wrote:Look, I don't want to go back and reiterate the points I've made thoughout this thread, but it'not all about Posey and Ohio State although it creates a forum for discussion. The NCAA as a governing body has become bloated and out of control, the enforcement of its 'rules' is selective and heavy handed. It holds its member institutions hostage with the funnelling of hundreds of millions of dollars (while restricting the laborers from earning from the fruits of that labor). The Ohio State University and other member Institutions are dependent of that money to run its athletic programs, and such, are forced to cow-tow to the NCAA lest they be struck with even more severe penalties. Devier Posey is an example of how one can get ground up in the gears of the system for minor infractions.

    Quoted for the lulz.
  • HitsRus
    It seems that there is a 25X difference in magnitude over a much larger time frame.(Bomar) Plus, there was no documentation vs. Posey's docs which show that he actually worked. I believe his atty said that at most, only 5 hours cannot be accounted for.

    I think if you read all that I posted here, I'm not for letting him skate for free, but that his penalty was too severe for the actual 'crime'.
  • enigmaax
    After the Tebow discussion from a few years back, I thought it was actually passed (although I believe it was later determined that the report of Tebow's actually having purchased the chamber with that sort of loan was incorrect). The following article makes it seem that way (when it was originally, supposedly passed). In the quote, I cut out some of the other things that were passed at the same time.

    http://lubbockonline.com/stories/041101/col_041101022.shtml
    MICHAEL MAROT
    AP Sports Writer
    INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - The NCAA management council voted Tuesday to allow student-athletes to receive money for private lessons and to obtain a one-time $20,000 bank loan based on future earnings. The council approved a series of proposals that are likely to alter the face of college athletics, especially college basketball.

    To qualify for the bank loan, an athlete would have to be considered a likely first-round pick in men's basketball, women's basketball or baseball and at least a third-round pick in football or hockey.

    Those items all passed with at least 31 1/2 of the 51 votes.
  • HitsRus
    Quoted for the lulz.
    be specific.

    I am not alone in calling what the NCAA has become to task. Almost all of these types of violations go away...even the most egregious...if you just stop pretending that this is amateur athletics.
  • karen lotz
    HitsRus;930200 wrote:be specific.

    I am not alone in calling what the NCAA has become to task. Almost all of these types of violations go away...even the most egregious...if you just stop pretending that this is amateur athletics.
    I laughed throughout the entire post. That's about as specific as it gets.
  • HitsRus
    ^^^That's undestandable.
  • se-alum
    enigmaax;930198 wrote:After the Tebow discussion from a few years back, I thought it was actually passed (although I believe it was later determined that the report of Tebow's actually having purchased the chamber with that sort of loan was incorrect). The following article makes it seem that way (when it was originally, supposedly passed). In the quote, I cut out some of the other things that were passed at the same time.

    http://lubbockonline.com/stories/041101/col_041101022.shtml
    Yea, it was all passed by the Management Council, but the Board of Directors never approved it.
  • enigmaax
    se-alum;930332 wrote:Yea, it was all passed by the Management Council, but the Board of Directors never approved it.
    Ah, I guess that is in your other post. I didn't know enough to get the difference but now it makes sense. Thanks. I don't understand why that came up in Tebow's situation then? My understanding is that it turned out not to be the case anyway, but I guess some schmuck just pulled that out in hopes that there was no violation?
  • thedynasty1998
    LJ;929901 wrote:The drive time thing is not a problem, if he was working for Papa's Burgers it would be shady, but it's not for the type of business he was working for, what he really got in trouble for was the week he got paid for 20 hours and worked 0. THAT was the biggest problem and THAT is a problem.
    It's actually the opposite. The compensation may have been within guidelines if documented correctly, however it is absolutely shady.
  • LJ
    thedynasty1998;930597 wrote:It's actually the opposite. The compensation may have been within guidelines if documented correctly, however it is absolutely shady.
    I don't understand why you keep saying that something that is common practice in the industry he was working is shady.
  • thedynasty1998
    LJ;930614 wrote:I don't understand why you keep saying that something that is common practice in the industry he was working is shady.
    I really have to explain it?

    A communications major from Cincinnati that lives in Columbus.

    Is employed by a booster, to work construction, 2 1/2 hours away. The best part is they are justifying a 10 hour paycheck, in which we can assume 1/2 of which was driving his Dodge Charger from Columbus to Akron.
    It's common practice for foremen to drive to their job site in the city in which they usually live. This is not common practice and no one can honestly say that it is.
  • Pick6
    thedynasty1998;930622 wrote:I really have to explain it?

    A communications major from Cincinnati that lives in Columbus.

    Is employed by a booster, to work construction, 2 1/2 hours away. The best part is they are justifying a 10 hour paycheck, in which we can assume 1/2 of which was driving his Dodge Charger from Columbus to Akron.
    It's common practice for foremen to drive to their job site in the city in which they usually live. This is not common practice and no one can honestly say that it is.
    his major and where he is from is irrelevant. Oh yea, and my company is based about 20 miles south of Wheeling, WV. I have worked as far north as Mentor, OH..as far west as Columbus/Marion....and as far south as Portsmouth, Ohio. Traveling far is not uncommon AT ALL. Even stayed over night in hotels. My company paid for the room and a meal.
  • LJ
    thedynasty1998;930622 wrote: It's common practice for foremen to drive to their job site in the city in which they usually live.
    What you think is reality and what is actually reality don't always match up. My cousins, who are union plumbers, drive to different cities in state and out of state all the time, and yes commuting, and yes getting paid for the commute.
  • se-alum
    thedynasty1998;930622 wrote:I really have to explain it?

    A communications major from Cincinnati that lives in Columbus.

    Is employed by a booster, to work construction, 2 1/2 hours away. The best part is they are justifying a 10 hour paycheck, in which we can assume 1/2 of which was driving his Dodge Charger from Columbus to Akron.
    It's common practice for foremen to drive to their job site in the city in which they usually live. This is not common practice and no one can honestly say that it is.
    What you know and what you think you know, are worlds apart.
  • LJ
    Another example, my buddy a (non-union) concrete worker was paid for his commute to Toledo and back 6 days a week for 4 weeks straight. A lot of that was paid out in OT.
  • Pick6
    LJ;930635 wrote:Another example, my buddy a (non-union) concrete worker was paid for his commute to Toledo and back 6 days a week for 4 weeks straight. A lot of that was paid out in OT.
    A guy in my company had to build sill fence in Indiana...for 3 months straight. Worked 6 days a week and came home on Sunday and went back to Indiana Monday morning. You bet your ass the company paid for it.
  • LJ
    Pick6;930639 wrote:A guy in my company had to build sill fence in Indiana...for 3 months straight. Worked 6 days a week and came home on Sunday and went back to Indiana Monday morning. You bet your ass the company paid for it.
    I'm saying he drove from Columbus to Toledo and back DAILY lol