9/3: South Florida @ #18 Notre Dame - 3:30 on NBC

• The Equalizer

  

  Yea he said swearing on the sidelines in college doesn't bother him, and specifically kelly's behavior, though over the top didn't anger him as a parent.
• karen lotz

  

  But...he got really angry!
• vball10set

  karen lotz;887432 wrote:But...he got really angry!

  at Kelly's behavior, or the reaction to it?
• Tobias Fünke

  

  Tiernan;887254 wrote:Nobody (OSU, Big 10, scUMmers, SEC...etc, etc) is saying coaches screaming on the sidelines is a bad thing...in fact I love it and I believe the Bucks now have a coach who can pull it off. BUT (and its a huge BUT) to pull off that kind of behavior effectively you have to be the type of coach that players actually have a little fear of. Kelly has no credibility with this type of shit. He's like a harmless little kid that is throwing a tantrum because somebody stole his shovel in the sandbox. The clock re-started big time on his 3 yrs and out after last week's embarrasing loss. No. 2 coming most likely this weekend.

  [video=youtube;wEVJyf0ft3I][/video]
  
  Infinity worse than all of Kelly's yelling combined.
• killer_ewok

  

  SportsAndLady;887363 wrote:The GIF was made because of how embarrassing it was.
  
  I'm not saying it was a bad thing, nor am I bashing him or ND for it..but it is pretty embarrassing how pissed off he got; hence, why he was joking about it..he knew he went a little over the top and decided to joke about it.
  
  Still waiting for a few gif's or videos of other coaches reacting like that..we already acknowledged Pelini, and I guess Saban too. Got any more?

  
  Again, you stated "show me" in your response to my "coaches flip out from time to time when their players are sucking" remark. Now that videos of the two that came to my mind immediately were posted....you need proof in gif form? You wanted proof, it was provided and then you changed or specified your criteria. GIF's are made because they're funny mostly. Anyways, proof is proof whether it's a gif, a video, a pic, etc.
  
  Whether it was embarrassing or not is strictly opinion and you're trying to prove my opinion wrong. You're not changing how I view it and vice versa. Thing is, I'm not trying to force my opinion on you whereas you're attempting to prove mine wrong. You just like to argue for the sake of arguing as evidenced by the dozens of pissing matches that you've been in on here with several people. Your opinion isn't any better or more valid than mine.
• Tiernan

  My Lord Domers...with all that superior education you are always yammering about you'd think you could read with some accuracy. Its ONLY embarrasing because it was the Hamburgler doing it, other coaches are tough guys who have inherent respect from their players. Kelly just doesn't have the cajones to back that type of behavior up. Maybe if you knew how to coach a little better your players might play a little better Toughy McToughster.
• FatHobbit

  

  I'm late to the thread, but I think most fans would want their coach to get mad when they're losing. People got mad at Tress when he didn't show enough emotion. It's not unusual I think. (I didn't see the game, only the pic and I have no clue why it's even being discussed.)
  
  And I have no idea why anyone responds to Teirnan on a ND thread.
• WebFire

  karen lotz;887419 wrote:He made a joke of it because its a non issue. He was not embarrassed at all.

  He also said he has to realize he is in the national spotlight and to be more careful. Just sayin'.
• killer_ewok

  

  Tiernan;887477 wrote:My Lord Domers...with all that superior education you are always yammering about you'd think you could read with some accuracy. Its ONLY embarrasing because it was the Hamburgler doing it, other coaches are tough guys who have inherent respect from their players. Kelly just doesn't have the cajones to back that type of behavior up. Maybe if you knew how to coach a little better your players might play a little better Toughy McToughster.

  
  Height = toughness....okay.
  
  Manute Bol and George Muresan were two of the baddest motherfuckers that ever walked the planet then.
• dat dude

  karen lotz;887421 wrote:Anyone hear what Mike Golic, who happens to have two sons currently on the team, had to say about Kelly?

  So you're saying a parent of two football players at Notre Dame who also is a co-host on a national radio show didn't publicly rip the coach of Notre Dame? LOL, wtf does that prove?
  
  Hopefully this is my final take on all of this - As I've said before, I don't mind the yelling at players during the game. Given Fickell's (and Vrabel's) reputation gained through practice reports and interviews with players, I fully expect Fickell to get on a player this year. I just hope he doesn't lose all control and composure because of it. Especially not in the second half when his team is down by three scores.
  
  Btw, since there are a couple Mike and Mike listeners on here, didn't they read a public letter from an individual with high regard in the Catholic community about Kelly's actions?
• killer_ewok

  

  WebFire;887490 wrote:He also said he has to realize he is in the national spotlight and to be more careful. Just sayin'.

  
  That's called being more aware that every single thing you do is under a microscope.....especially if you're losing.
• SportsAndLady

  

  killer_ewok;887443 wrote:Again, you stated "show me" in your response to my "coaches flip out from time to time when their players are sucking" remark. Now that videos of the two that came to my mind immediately were posted....you need proof in gif form? You wanted proof, it was provided and then you changed or specified your criteria. GIF's are made because they're funny mostly. Anyways, proof is proof whether it's a gif, a video, a pic, etc.
  
  Whether it was embarrassing or not is strictly opinion and you're trying to prove my opinion wrong. You're not changing how I view it and vice versa. Thing is, I'm not trying to force my opinion on you whereas you're attempting to prove mine wrong. You just like to argue for the sake of arguing as evidenced by the dozens of pissing matches that you've been in on here with several people. Your opinion isn't any better or more valid than mine.

  LOL holy shit...when have I ever tried to change your opinion? Lol I simply said its embarrassing. If u don't believe that fine. You're the one that responded to me, I could care less.what you think.
  
  Those videos weren't Kelly comparable btw. They weren't close, hence no gif made of those videos
• Tiernan

  FatHobbit;887486 wrote:And I have no idea why anyone responds to Teirnan on a ND thread.

  Hey Mods that's a personal slam and Fatso should be receiving points... if it was the other way around I'd have been sent to the basement by now.
• FatHobbit

  

  Tiernan;887499 wrote:Hey Mods that's a personal slam and Fatso should be receiving points... if it was the other way around I'd have been sent to the basement by now.

  I didn't say anything about you. I just wonder why anyone bothers to respond to you on a ND thread.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  Tiernan;887477 wrote:My Lord Domers...with all that superior education you are always yammering about you'd think you could read with some accuracy. Its ONLY embarrasing because it was the Hamburgler doing it, other coaches are tough guys who have inherent respect from their players. Kelly just doesn't have the cajones to back that type of behavior up. Maybe if you knew how to coach a little better your players might play a little better Toughy McToughster.

  So if your players fear you it's okay to assault players?
  
  Can I have some proof that players don't respect Coach Kelly? Those are bold, and erroneous, statements.
• killer_ewok

  

  SportsAndLady;887498 wrote:LOL holy shit...when have I ever tried to change your opinion? Lol I simply said its embarrassing. If u don't believe that fine. You're the one that responded to me, I could care less.what you think.
  
  Those videos weren't Kelly comparable btw. They weren't close, hence no gif made of those videos

  
  I'm telling you that to me it wasn't embarrassing and you're trying to tell me that it was. That's your opinion that it was. Sorry that I don't have the same opinion as you on the issue.
  
  LMAO at whether a gif of something exists being the determining factor. Pelini was putting his finger in Martinez's chest while screaming in his face. Now, I don't have a problem with that but it's just as fiery as Kelly's behavior if not moreso. It's my opinion that they're absolutely comparable, but that's right....whether a gif exists or not tells the whole story. That logic is absolutely absurd.
• Tiernan

  They're athletes for Gods Sake Tobias! they've been picking out the pussies on the playground since 5th grade!
• killer_ewok

  

  Tobias Fünke;887506 wrote:So if your players fear you it's okay to assault players?
  
  Can I have some proof that players don't respect Coach Kelly? Those are bold, and erroneous, statements.

  
  Make sure that proof is in the form of a gif though.
• karen lotz

  

  vball10set;887436 wrote:at Kelly's behavior, or the reaction to it?

  No, I was saying that BK was REALLY REALLY angry and said bad words!!!! As in I was being facetious and its a non issue to Golic as a parent. Another parent of a freshman, Phillip Daniels also said that Kelly was worked up as he should have been, but didn't think it was an issue either. Daniels is also the uncle of TJ Jones, who Kelly really laid into. Daniels said something along the lines of "I felt bad that TJ was getting yelled at because of how much he has been through." Jones' dad passed away suddenly earlier this year.
  
  Bottom line, until parents of players or recruits say it negatively impacts their view of Notre Dame, it is a non issue, except for internet message boards and ESPN who is trying to boost ratings and up their website hits.
• The Equalizer

  

  And maybe if you said that to kelly he'd punch your fucking lights out. You don't know him or his personality behind the scenes.
• karen lotz

  

  FatHobbit;887486 wrote:I'm late to the thread, but I think most fans would want their coach to get mad when they're losing. People got mad at Tress when he didn't show enough emotion. It's not unusual I think. (I didn't see the game, only the pic and I have no clue why it's even being discussed.)

  Exactly. I would much rather have a coach who is getting worked up when the team is making mistakes that were happening last weekend compared to someone who stood there with a blank expression on his face (Willingham), or stood there and had snot running into his own mouth (Weis). The only reason it is even being talked about is because its Notre Dame. Same people who claim they are irrelevant are blasting Kelly for yelling at players. Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
• karen lotz

  

  WebFire;887490 wrote:He also said he has to realize he is in the national spotlight and to be more careful. Just sayin'.

  Yes, if you listen to how he speaks with the media and his sense of humor, he said that kind of tongue in cheek. Like he was saying "I will be more careful" to appease the media. If the same situation arises in future games, he isn't going to change how he reacts.
• vball10set

  karen lotz;887522 wrote:No, I was saying that BK was REALLY REALLY angry and said bad words!!!! As in I was being facetious and its a non issue to Golic as a parent. Another parent of a freshman, Phillip Daniels also said that Kelly was worked up as he should have been, but didn't think it was an issue either. Daniels is also the uncle of TJ Jones, who Kelly really laid into. Daniels said something along the lines of "I felt bad that TJ was getting yelled at because of how much he has been through." Jones' dad passed away suddenly earlier this year.
  
  Bottom line, until parents of players or recruits say it negatively impacts their view of Notre Dame, it is a non issue, except for internet message boards and ESPN who is trying to boost ratings and up their website hits.

  ahhh, got ya'...also, as I was watching the video for the hundredth time last night, it appeared to me that Tommy Rees was trying to tell BK that it was his (Rees') fault (patting his chest as if to say "it's on me, coach")- did anyone else pick that up?
• enigmaax

  dat dude;887495 wrote:So you're saying a parent of two football players at Notre Dame who also is a co-host on a national radio show didn't publicly rip the coach of Notre Dame? LOL, wtf does that prove?

  It isn't like ESPN frowns on that (Craig James). Just sayin'.
  

  Especially not in the second half when his team is down by three scores.

  I've only seen replays and didn't really stop to think about it, but did this happen when Notre Dame was down 23-3? If so, could the little tirade have fired them up just a bit considering they would've then outscored SF 17-0 the rest of the way?
  

  Btw, since there are a couple Mike and Mike listeners on here, didn't they read a public letter from an individual with high regard in the Catholic community about Kelly's actions?

  Yes, something about "I should be able to watch a Notre Dame game with my family." It was about the "cursing". Lame...stupid catholics.
  

  Pelini was putting his finger in Martinez's chest while screaming in his face. Now, I don't have a problem with that but it's just as fiery as Kelly's behavior if not moreso.

  Pelini did face some backlash for that also, didn't he? I just find the whining and "he should be fired" nonsense to be incredibly pussified in either/both cases. It isn't my favorite manner of communication and he runs the risk of losing his team's respect if he can't relate/motivate them properly, but those are his consequences to deal with. As someone already mentioned, winning solves everything. If he continues to lose, this will just be additional ammo. Win and it all goes away.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  Notre Dame was 0 for 1 on field goals, not sure how they could have been down 23-3.
  
  I thought it went..
  
  0-0
  0-7
  0-10
  0-13
  0-16
  7-16
  7-23
  13-23
  20-23