Buckeye Father Responds To SI

• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  athlete37;790022 wrote:You realize Tressel retired after he and Ohio State got wind of this article?? It was passed along to them before it was published and was to be published the day after Memorial Day... Hence why Tressel retired Memorial Day before it came out. Actions speak volumes

  
  As has been brought up on here for different things....correlation doesn't prove causation.
• karen lotz

  

  queencitybuckeye;790032 wrote:I've attended two better schools, so by your logic, me > you. Which happens to be true, but not for that reason alone.

  
  
  Two better schools than who? athlete?
• athlete37

  

  queencitybuckeye;790032 wrote:I've attended two better schools, so by your logic, me > you. Which happens to be true, but not for that reason alone.

  
  Did I say that? No I said some writer with a Pulitzer Prize and a degree from Notre Dame has more credibility than an internet troll that lives in his mom's basement (sleeper). And I'm not sure how the correlation between Ohio State forcing Tressel to resign specifically before the release of the article proves nothing.
• queencitybuckeye

  karen lotz;790038 wrote:Two better schools than who? athlete?

  
  Yep. His chest was getting a little too puffed out for a second-tier guy.
• LJ

  

  athlete37;790043 wrote:Did I say that? No I said some writer with a Pulitzer Prize and a degree from Notre Dame has more credibility than an internet troll that lives in his mom's basement (sleeper). And I'm not sure how the correlation between Ohio State forcing Tressel to resign specifically before the release of the article proves nothing.

  
  Because one of the rules of the world is correlation /= causation
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  athlete37;790043 wrote:Did I say that? No I said some writer with a Pulitzer Prize and a degree from Notre Dame has more credibility than an internet troll that lives in his mom's basement (sleeper). And I'm not sure how the correlation between Ohio State forcing Tressel to resign specifically before the release of the article proves nothing.

  
  Because the pressure had been building up for months. It wasn't a question of if but a question of when Tressel was going to resign. It's not like the SI article was the only thing hanging over Tressel.
• queencitybuckeye

  athlete37;790043 wrote:Did I say that? No I said some writer with a Pulitzer Prize and a degree from Notre Dame has more credibility than an internet troll that lives in his mom's basement (sleeper). And I'm not sure how the correlation between Ohio State forcing Tressel to resign specifically before the release of the article proves nothing.

  
  Correlation never proves anything, lacking evidence of causation.
• athlete37

  

  queencitybuckeye;790045 wrote:Yep. His chest was getting a little too puffed out for a second-tier guy.

  
  Where did I say anything about my personal education??
• queencitybuckeye

  athlete37;790051 wrote:Where did I say anything about my personal education??

  
  If I am incorrect about you attending the same university as Mr. Dohrman, I apologize.
  
  Where are you going to law school?
• athlete37

  

  queencitybuckeye;790052 wrote:If I am incorrect about you attending the same university as Mr. Dohrman, I apologize.
  
  Where are you going to law school?

  
  Mr. Dohrman and myself are both domers, but I said nothing about the fact that I went there in this thread. I was responding to Sleeper saying he had more credibility than Dohrman. Simply put, a man with a degree from any school (let alone a top 20 school) and a Pulitzer Prize has much more credibility than Sleeper. Is there an issue with that statement?
• athlete37

  

  queencitybuckeye;790048 wrote:Correlation never proves anything, lacking evidence of causation.

  
  "That support crumbled suddenly over Memorial Day weekend. Tressel was forced out three days after Sports Illustrated alerted Ohio State officials that the wrongdoing by Tressel's players was far more widespread than had been reported. SI learned that the memorabilia-for-tattoos violations actually stretched back to 2002, Tressel's second season at Ohio State, and involved at least 28 players -- 22 more than the university has acknowledged. Those numbers include, beyond the six suspended players, an additional nine current players as well as nine former players whose alleged wrongdoing might fall within the NCAA's four-year statute of limitations on violations."
  
  ^^^http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/31/sportsline/main20067497.shtml He was forced out intentionally before the article hit...
• LJ

  

  athlete37;790058 wrote:"That support crumbled suddenly over Memorial Day weekend. Tressel was forced out three days after Sports Illustrated alerted Ohio State officials that the wrongdoing by Tressel's players was far more widespread than had been reported. SI learned that the memorabilia-for-tattoos violations actually stretched back to 2002, Tressel's second season at Ohio State, and involved at least 28 players -- 22 more than the university has acknowledged. Those numbers include, beyond the six suspended players, an additional nine current players as well as nine former players whose alleged wrongdoing might fall within the NCAA's four-year statute of limitations on violations."
  
  ^^^http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/31/sportsline/main20067497.shtml He was forced out intentionally before the article hit...

  
  Glad you think that
• Writerbuckeye

  

  queencitybuckeye;790048 wrote:Correlation never proves anything, lacking evidence of causation.

  
  It's pretty well known here (Columbus) that it was the loss of Les Wexner's support on the Board of Trustees that prompted the call for his resignation, and that was more due to the cumulative effect of all the bad publicity as opposed to any single story or broadcast.
  
  The Board just got tired of the constant pounding by media pundits and were (are) hoping JT's resignation helps to lessen that. It was his (Tressell's) scalp the media sought, so there's a good chance things will quiet down some. I don't expect it to completely quiet, simply because OSU stories tend to generate lots of attention (website hits, viewers, readers) and all that translates into advertising revenue.
  
  SI would like to claim their article brought down Tressel, but that's just boasting with no basis in fact. That they get some people to believe it would be kind of funny, it if weren't also a bit sad.
• athlete37

  

  I'm glad you think Tressel resigning on a National holiday was a coincidence
• dat dude

  athlete37;790058 wrote:"That support crumbled suddenly over Memorial Day weekend. Tressel was forced out three days after Sports Illustrated alerted Ohio State officials that the wrongdoing by Tressel's players was far more widespread than had been reported. SI learned that the memorabilia-for-tattoos violations actually stretched back to 2002, Tressel's second season at Ohio State, and involved at least 28 players -- 22 more than the university has acknowledged. Those numbers include, beyond the six suspended players, an additional nine current players as well as nine former players whose alleged wrongdoing might fall within the NCAA's four-year statute of limitations on violations."
  
  ^^^http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/31/sportsline/main20067497.shtml He was forced out intentionally before the article hit...

  
  What's your point? That because he was forced out re: the SI article, that everything in the article must be true?
• LJ

  

  Writerbuckeye;790063 wrote:It's pretty well known here (Columbus) that it was the loss of Les Wexner's support on the Board of Trustees that prompted the call for his resignation, and that was more due to the cumulative effect of all the bad publicity as opposed to any single story or broadcast.
  
  The Board just got tired of the constant pounding by media pundits and were (are) hoping JT's resignation helps to lessen that. It was his (Tressell's) scalp the media sought, so there's a good chance things will quiet down some. I don't expect it to completely quiet, simply because OSU stories tend to generate lots of attention (website hits, viewers, readers) and all that translates into advertising revenue.
  
  SI would like to claim their article brought down Tressel, but that's just boasting with no basis in fact. That they get some people to believe it would be kind of funny, it if weren't also a bit sad.

  
  Yep.
  
  And Tressel was notified Sunday night, which was when the players were notified of the meeting
• FatHobbit

  

  athlete37;790064 wrote:I'm glad you think Tressel resigning on a National holiday was a coincidence

  
  Did you read the article? If that is why they forced him out (based on the word of a convicted criminal and unnamed sources) they are bigger pussies than I think.
• athlete37

  

  queencitybuckeye;790052 wrote:If I am incorrect about you attending the same university as Mr. Dohrman, I apologize.
  
  Where are you going to law school?

  
  And to answer your question, I attend law school at Ohio State. My professors are constantly in communication with Gene Smith. I personally have spoken to Gene Smith within the last month as well.
• queencitybuckeye

  athlete37;790076 wrote:And to answer your question, I attend law school at Ohio State.

  
  Cool, good luck. Can you translate your rules of evidence cite into layman's terms? Are you saying that SI is somehow lawsuit-proof without regard to the level of truth in the article?
• queencitybuckeye

  FatHobbit;790069 wrote:Did you read the article? If that is why they forced him out (based on the word of a convicted criminal and unnamed sources) they are bigger pussies than I think.

  
  I think it's less the last shoe to drop than the idea that unless something is done, the shoes will keep dropping.
• athlete37

  

  queencitybuckeye;790082 wrote:Cool, good luck. Can you translate your rules of evidence cite into layman's terms? Are you saying that SI is somehow lawsuit-proof without regard to the level of truth in the article?

  
  I'd be happy to. It's a Civil Procedure Rule and not an evidence rule. A suit will be dismissed if Sports Illustrated has done nothing on which a claim can be granted against them. From my understanding, the author just cites sources and is neither hampering anyone's constitutional rights nor acting maliciously in an intentional tort. Those would be the only two claims that I could see stemming from a situation similar to this one, but I still think neither apply here. So it'd be similar to if you told me I was balding and I tried to take it to court, but there is no statute that I could use to bring a claim that the court can grant me relief under.
• elbuckeye28

  athlete37;790076 wrote:And to answer your question, I attend law school at Ohio State. My professors are constantly in communication with Gene Smith. I personally have spoken to Gene Smith within the last month as well.

  
  Congratulations on speaking to Gene Smith. What does that prove the cause and timing of Tressel's resignation?
• sleeper

  

  athlete37;790017 wrote:Difference being you don't have a Pulitzer Prize and a degree from a top 20 University....

  
  http://fisher.osu.edu/about/ranking-and-statistics/rankings/#ug
  
  Actually I have 2 degrees from a top 14 University. We can forgo the Pulitzer prize because its been proven that those that have it are journalists who post smut for the sake of ratings.
  
  Have fun getting a job with your law degree. There are lawyers 1000x smarter than you that are working at McDonalds(I own 2 btw, yes own, so let me know if you need a job flippin' burgers).
• athlete37

  

  elbuckeye28;790091 wrote:Congratulations on speaking to Gene Smith. What does that prove the cause and timing of Tressel's resignation?

  
  My point was that I have been following the situation closer than I think you guys would expect. I'm not an OSU troll, I've just been following this situation very closely. I also have good friends with very close relationships with Tressel, so it's an added interest.
• queencitybuckeye

  athlete37;790088 wrote:I'd be happy to. It's a Civil Procedure Rule and not an evidence rule. A suit will be dismissed if Sports Illustrated has done nothing on which a claim can be granted against them. From my understanding, the author just cites sources and is neither hampering anyone's constitutional rights nor acting maliciously in an intentional tort. Those would be the only two claims that I could see stemming from a situation similar to this one, but I still think neither apply here. So it'd be similar to if you told me I was balding and I tried to take it to court, but there is no statute that I could use to bring a claim that the court can grant me relief under.

  
  I understand (I think), thanks.