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Diebler's Last Two Games

  • LJ
    swamisez;704993 wrote:Don't remember much about his play that game to be honest. Sullinger stole the headlines, and this board had yet to become the Aaron Craft walks on water forum.

    This forum was raving about how he handled the press
  • swamisez
    LJ;704998 wrote:ah, an 8-9 hour fact finding mission. Good. I really don't mind differing opinions, but you are just saying shit to try to get people riled up. You don't even know who played in a game you supposedly watched
    No fact finding mission, we have golf match, baseball game, tennis practice, and girls soccer departure this afternoon. I can't keep on with this and ignore my job.
    Wish I could though, it is more entertaining and less stressful for sure.
  • se-alum
    LJ;704989 wrote:He made the implication that Craft didn't play. Not only that, I am not sure that Craft has even started a game this season. 2 fails

    Yea, I was just adding to your statement.

    Big Ten is the 2nd best conference in NCAA basketball and alot of that is based on the PG's and Bigs. The Big Ten lacks great wing players on the whole, although Buford is very good.

    I'm not sure anyone on the National level would take the ACC PG's over:

    Lucas
    Taylor
    Battle
    Craft
    Nolen
    McCamey
    Thompson
    Jackson
    Morris
  • Big Gain
    swamisez;704949 wrote:Going my means for evaluation I would need to see a couple more games of Craft against non-big ten opponents.
    Given the fact since league play started (and Craft's subsequent starting role) OSU has not played outside of the conference,
    my basis for evaluation is limited. That is a huge flaw I know, but with the NCAA tournament approaching more games will be available for inspection.

    It is a shame because had Craft been starting earlier in the season as the matchup with Kenny Boynton would have been one to see.
    In that game in Gainesville Boynton had at least 20 points and was deadly from the arc.

    Your ignorance is showing, Craft has only started ONE game all year, the game Buford didn't play. ALL of the other games 1 though 30, Craft has entered the game at the first TV time out and played the balance of the 1st half, exceot for a couple of games in which he got 2 fouls in the 1st half. He has started the 2nd half in the Big Ten season.
  • Big Gain
    LJ;705003 wrote:This forum was raving about how he handled the press

    As were the annoucers who did the game
  • Big Gain
    swamisez;705000 wrote:fully admit I don't watch to see who starts the game for OSU. I am usually catching the games just after tipoff or when most of you are catching them 4-5 minutes in due to TV delays from game 1.

    GOOD, you admit to your ignorance
  • Big Gain
    swamisez;704970 wrote:There is a significant lack of post play in the ACC and much of that is due to the tempo teams in the conference play.
    More ignorance, "tempo teams". The only ACC school that is more of a "tempo team" than Ohio State is Duke. All other NCC schools have a lower scoring average than Ohio State. Ohio State has the 2nd highest shooting percentage in the country. "Tempo teams" should have a higher shooting percentage since they are scoring on a lot of layups and dunks in transition.
  • Laley23
    Big Gain;705937 wrote:More ignorance, "tempo teams". The only ACC school that is more of a "tempo team" than Ohio State is Duke. All other NCC schools have a lower scoring average than Ohio State. Ohio State has the 2nd highest shooting percentage in the country. "Tempo teams" should have a higher shooting percentage since they are scoring on a lot of layups and dunks in transition.

    UNC definitely plays at a higher pace than OSU. PPG isnt a direct correlation to how fast a team plays.
  • Terry_Tate
    Laley23;706232 wrote:UNC definitely plays at a higher pace than OSU. PPG isnt a direct correlation to how fast a team plays.

    http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/possessions-per-game

    18. North Carolina 74.2 possessions per game

    279. Ohio State 66.2 possessions per game

    ACC = 69.18 possessions per game(not including UNC)

    Big Ten = 65.76 possessions per game(not including Ohio State)

    This isn't the end-all stat, but figured it helps with the debate.
  • vball10set
    screw the ACC...GO BUCKS!!! (how's that for a dynamite drop in) :D
  • swamisez
    I dont expect Big Gain to read my earlier posts, but I did make an argument that the predicated offensive teams typically shoot higher percentages because of their shooting in an offense. Fast break teams actually shoot lower percentages because of the lack in organization, thus the need for more possessions to make up the difference in shooting percentage.

    I will be back later to check this because cell reception isnt the best at the arena in greensboro

    btw, looking at the Uconn Pitt game, it must be a great one. Pitt is shooting an incredible percentage and still losing?
  • Laley23
    Terry_Tate;706358 wrote:http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/possessions-per-game

    18. North Carolina 74.2 possessions per game

    279. Ohio State 66.2 possessions per game

    ACC = 69.18 possessions per game(not including UNC)

    Big Ten = 65.76 possessions per game(not including Ohio State)

    This isn't the end-all stat, but figured it helps with the debate.

    It does help. But I can just go by my own eyes to see it. Roy Williams first offense is end of the break. If it is defended than they will slow it up. But 95% of the possessions they have they are trying to fast break.
  • karen lotz
    Laley23;706398 wrote:It does help. But I can just go by my own eyes to see it. Roy Williams first offense is end of the break. If it is defended than they will slow it up. But 95% of the possessions they have they are trying to fast break.


    You don't need stats to back up what you are saying. All you have to do is watch games from each conference and it should be pretty clear. It shouldn't be a surprise that Big Gain doesn't understand this.
  • sleeper
    Who cares about the "tempo" of the game? OSU would beat UNC 99 times out of 100, this isn't something to debate.
  • Terry_Tate
    karen lotz;706403 wrote:You don't need stats to back up what you are saying. All you have to do is watch games from each conference and it should be pretty clear. It shouldn't be a surprise that Big Gain doesn't understand this.
    Oh I agree, I just wanted to bring in stats to support your argument. Scoring isn't truly reflective of tempo.
  • karen lotz
    Terry_Tate;706446 wrote:Oh I agree, I just wanted to bring in stats to support your argument. Scoring isn't truly reflective of tempo.


    lol I wasn't meaning to attack you for sharing the stats at all, I was just saying the eye ball test should be more than enough. Some people, such as Big Gain, do need to see stats apparently, so thanks for posting them for him.
  • Laley23
    sleeper;706438 wrote:Who cares about the "tempo" of the game? OSU would beat UNC 99 times out of 100, this isn't something to debate.

    Are you serious????


    No fucking way UNC even sniffs a victory. Only way would be if OSU had the wrong arena. Even then, their mystic would keep it close.
  • Prescott
    No fucking way UNC even sniffs a victory.
    OSU would beat UNC senseless if Sullinger was out with injury and Craft called in sick. The Buckeyes are that good!!
  • swamisez
    mystique
  • sleeper
    Laley23;706480 wrote:Are you serious????


    No fucking way UNC even sniffs a victory. Only way would be if OSU had the wrong arena. Even then, their mystic would keep it close.

    I gave them 1 victory out of 100. I figured that would account for their entire starting 5 fouling out in the first 3 minutes and Craft being injured on an intentional foul from a classless UNC player.

    It'd be close, but I think with Harrison Barnes they might be able to squeak out a 3-4 point victory.
  • Laley23
    swamisez;706495 wrote:mystique

    You mean someone who practices Mysticism wouldnt affect the Heels :D

    Thanks for the correction. I definitely meant mystique.
  • swamisez
    sorry didn't want to sound like a jerk, but thought that would help make the post more sensical.

    Also, no, witchcraft won't affect the heels because the Dark Lord himself Roy Williams coaches them
  • CinciX12
    Big Gain;705937 wrote:More ignorance, "tempo teams". The only ACC school that is more of a "tempo team" than Ohio State is Duke. All other NCC schools have a lower scoring average than Ohio State. Ohio State has the 2nd highest shooting percentage in the country. "Tempo teams" should have a higher shooting percentage since they are scoring on a lot of layups and dunks in transition.

    Yeah, that isn't even remotely right. It is truly amazing how little of reality you comprehend.
  • Terry_Tate
    karen lotz;706463 wrote:lol I wasn't meaning to attack you for sharing the stats at all, I was just saying the eye ball test should be more than enough. Some people, such as Big Gain, do need to see stats apparently, so thanks for posting them for him.

    Uh huh, fine, see if I ever post anything to defend you again! :)

    I'm just a stats nerd, so I love looking up weird things like that. North Carolina is no doubt a much more up tempo team than Ohio State, but even if you can't see it just from watching(which I have no idea how you couldn't) then having 8 more possessions a game should easily put that to bed.
  • se-alum
    Jay Bilas wrote:After being guarded by Aaron Craft for forty minutes, you must feel like applying for a restraining order. He can really guard the ball.

    Don't usually hear those words when you're dealing w/ someone that's not very good defensively.