Cam Newton and father admitted in phone conversations that money would determine coll

• ytownfootball

  

  It really does kinda suck though considering the time line of the whole thing, if true of course.
• pinstriper

  Gotcha, that makes sense...kinda. I have a bunch of friends that follow ARK, and they've been screaming tampering/pay-offs or whatever to players for the last 2 years or so. The RB, Dyer, was right smack in the middle of this type of thing. He's from ARK (Little Rock), was on record as saying he wanted to be a Razorback, then signs with AU. The guy representing him, his Uncle, in all the recruiting visits and such, was seen driving a brand new Hummer less than a week after the kid signed. I guess this may be the final nail in the coffin for AU.
• enigmaax

  From ncaa.org:
  
  "The won-lost records for each of the opposing teams are not changed when games are vacated."
• se-alum

  

  j_crazy;564667 wrote:that settles that.
  
  people want this thing to be dirty so bad that they are starting to make shit up.
  
  this is causing me to lean more towards the "he's cleaner than we think" camp.

  Really?? So, someone's lawyer comes out defending his client, and you are convinced that people are making things up?? If I ever need to hire a lawyer for anything, and he doesn't defend my position, he is fired. I don't see how this changes anything.
• OneBuckeye

  

  se-alum;565100 wrote:Really?? So, someone's lawyer comes out defending his client, and you are convinced that people are making things up?? If I ever need to hire a lawyer for anything, and he doesn't defend my position, he is fired. I don't see how this changes anything.

  
  I don't either. I will wait and see.
• krambman

  

  Cleveland Buck;564509 wrote:This sounds likes SMU back in the day. Maybe the death penalty is in Auburn's future.

  
  The NCAA will never give out the death penalty again. Florida State had cheating on nearly every sports team organized by the academic liaison staff and didn't get the death penalty. USC had major violations in at least three sports all at once and didn't get the death penalty. Those cases showed a clear lack of institutional control, which is necessary for the death penalty and neither school got anything close to it. The death penalty not only set the SMU athletic department back 30+ years but it nearly bankrupted the school. The NCAA had no clue about the kind of economic impact that it would have. Now that they do they will never give it out again.
• krambman

  

  enigmaax;565073 wrote:From ncaa.org:
  
  "The won-lost records for each of the opposing teams are not changed when games are vacated."

  
  That's interesting. I knew that games being vacated was different than being forfeited, but I assumed that their opponents got to remove that game from their records, which would have made LSU undefeated but with only 11 games.
• enigmaax

  krambman;565331 wrote:The NCAA will never give out the death penalty again. Florida State had cheating on nearly every sports team organized by the academic liaison staff and didn't get the death penalty. USC had major violations in at least three sports all at once and didn't get the death penalty. Those cases showed a clear lack of institutional control, which is necessary for the death penalty and neither school got anything close to it. The death penalty not only set the SMU athletic department back 30+ years but it nearly bankrupted the school. The NCAA had no clue about the kind of economic impact that it would have. Now that they do they will never give it out again.

  
  Agree with this, though I don't know why the NCAA is so uneasy about the SMU thing. It is punishment...it isn't supposed to be fun. If they didn't want their program set back 30 years, they shouldn't have kept the slush fund AFTER the NCAA busted them the first 10 times. Additionally, note that the NCAA banned SMU for one year and SMU added another year to that itself.
  
  That is another big difference between SMU and a lot of these cases that people either don't know or don't remember. Lack of institutional control is completely different than the institution being directly involved. In SMU's case, the Board of Governors and people in the Athletic Department were directly involved...including continuing payments despite already being on probation for that very thing. As I recall, they felt they had to "honor" their commitments to the players they already promised to pay. The death penalty was mostly about being repeat offenders and I think there was a time window originally established (like being busted for major violations twice within five years).
  
  Technically, the NCAA has the right to enact that penalty for more severe actions though I don't know that is really spelled out. I believe that the NCAA has actually handed this punishment out 2 or 3 times since the SMU penalty, but I don't think it was for football and obviously not at the DI or FBS level (just can't remember off the top of my head - and I could be wrong).
  
  Oh and, Kentucky basketball kind of had the death penalty in the 50s. They bounced back nicely.
• OneBuckeye

  

  [video=youtube;fiL5UJmkfco][/video]
  

  LOS ANGELES (LALATE) – Lost in the Cam Newton denials yesterday was one peculiar revelation. Why did Cam Newton allegedly retain the same lawyer as his father, while he tries to defend himself against his father’s conduct during the Mississippi State recruiting process?
  
  
  WSBTV spoke to attorney George Lawson this week in an exclusive report in which the station claims that Larson is the “lawyer for Auburn University quarterback Cam Newton and his father”. Lawson offered the station a series of denials on behalf of his client Cam Newton. But Lawson added, that whatever client Cecil Newton did with Mississippi State, his other client Cam Newton wasn’t involved with.
  
  
  The NCAA has said that solicitation of money alone is a violation. “[T]he solicitation of cash or benefits by a prospective student-athlete or another individual on his or her behalf is not allowed under NCAA rules.”
  
  But the NCAA has not made clear what is the standard for “on his behalf”. The key for Cam Newton is those three words. The assertion being made by the Newton camp is that whatever was said by Cecil Newton for Cam Newton it wasn’t “on his behalf.” Yes, Cecil Newton is Cam’s father. Yes, he allegedly communicated payment plans and money demands in the Mississippi State recruitment. But if he did, was it really “on his behalf”.
  
  Moreover, can an athlete, allegedly knowledgeable of who was handling his recruiting, simply defend any solicitation accusation by arguing lack of knowledge? The NCAA has to explain. NCAA officials made clear last week that it will not speak to the news media about “current, pending or potential investigations”,

• SportsAndLady

  

  enigmaax;565463 wrote:Technically, the NCAA has the right to enact that penalty for more severe actions though I don't know that is really spelled out. I believe that the NCAA has actually handed this punishment out 2 or 3 times since the SMU penalty, but I don't think it was for football and obviously not at the DI or FBS level (just can't remember off the top of my head - and I could be wrong).

  
  There have been 2 since the SMU death penalty, and yes they were not D1 and were not football programs. It was Morehouse College's soccer program in I think 04 and 05. And then MacMurrray College's tennis program in 05 and 06. I think Morehouse was D2 and MacMurray was D3.
  
  There was a death penalty for a basketball program, before the SMU death penalty. I don't remember the name of the school but it is now called Louisiana Lafayette and it was in 73 I believe.
  
  The UK thing was a bit different because I do not believe their seasons were cancelled, I think they just couldn't play conference games, and Walter Byers' convinced teams not to schedule UK so they were forced to play scrimmages basically.
• enigmaax

  SportsAndLady;565507 wrote:There have been 2 since the SMU death penalty, and yes they were not D1 and were not football programs. It was Morehouse College's soccer program in I think 04 and 05. And then MacMurrray College's tennis program in 05 and 06. I think Morehouse was D2 and MacMurray was D3.
  
  There was a death penalty for a basketball program, before the SMU death penalty. I don't remember the name of the school but it is now called Louisiana Lafayette and it was in 73 I believe.
  
  The UK thing was a bit different because I do not believe their seasons were cancelled, I think they just couldn't play conference games, and Walter Byers' convinced teams not to schedule UK so they were forced to play scrimmages basically.

  
  Ah, I thought it was some dumb sports at meaningless colleges. Thanks for the info. The Louisiana school would've been SW Louisiana. And correct on the UK thing (thats why I said "kinda") - banned from SEC play and had a conspiracy by the rest of the NCAA to not play them. Their team did not disband.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Yeah they (UK) ended up winning the NCAA Championship that decade lol so that hardly affected them. Lot different college basketball landscape back then though. Probably wasn't even that big of a deal at the time. Could you imagine if UK basketball received the death penalty in today's college basketball world? haha
• SportsAndLady

  

  Auburn would have to be on probation in order to even qualify for a death penalty (which imo will never happen...the NCAA would never allow it)...is Auburn even on probation right now?
• OneBuckeye

  

  http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2285976
  
  Great story from 2006 about auburns shady boosters.
• karen lotz

  

  http://twitter.com/#!/SPORTSbyBROOKS/status/5637216051134465
  

  RT @jselingo: NCAA president on Newton case. "The burden of proof is higher than for someone writing in a blog."

• cats gone wild

  Topic on Tigerdroppings about Auburn/Cam making big news. Of course there are a kazillion amount of topics about Cam, but this one......wow.
  
  http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/11/19/all-that-and-a-bag-of-mail-gus-johnson-charles-barkley-togethe/
  
  http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/messagetopic.asp?p=22778676
  
  http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/default.asp?b=12
• cats gone wild

  And to beat someone to it.........."only in the SEC"
• dat dude

  cats gone wild;565741 wrote:Topic on Tigerdroppings about Auburn/Cam making big news. Of course there are a kazillion amount of topics about Cam, but this one......wow.
  
  http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/11/19/all-that-and-a-bag-of-mail-gus-johnson-charles-barkley-togethe/
  
  http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/messagetopic.asp?p=22778676
  
  http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/default.asp?b=12

  
  Wow. Just wow.
• SportsAndLady

  

  dat dude;565815 wrote:Wow. Just wow.

  
  I didn't catch it..what was "wow. just wow" in there?
• Midstate01

  

  Take the time and read it. It'll amaze you how dirty this situation.
  
  Btw, even the lawyer seems dirty.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Read what though? The tiger dropping thread? or the first article posted?
  
  There was 3 items listed, I didn't know if there was one that had breaking news or something.
• FatHobbit

  

  I'm really sick of hearing about this, but I'm hoping Auburn runs the table and this all blows up after the bowls have made their selections. >
• OneBuckeye

  

  SportsAndLady;565886 wrote:Read what though? The tiger dropping thread? or the first article posted?
  
  There was 3 items listed, I didn't know if there was one that had breaking news or something.

  
  If people read page 6 of this thread it is essentially summerizes the situation.
• SportsAndLady

  

  OneBuckeye;565921 wrote:If people read page 6 of this thread it is essentially summerizes the situation.

  
  Yeah I did..so when I saw a new link posted and "wow just wow" after it, I thought there might have been more information or something that I didn't see. But yeah I read most of it..pretty crazy everything is so detailed and precise. Makes you wonder just how dirty those people really are.
• cats gone wild

  OneBuckeye;565921 wrote:If people read page 6 of this thread it is essentially summerizes the situation.

  
  Ahh, thanks for pointing that out. I never even read page 6 or most of this topic. Sorry for one link being a repost.