What else does Boise have to prove?

• centralbucksfan

  rock_knutne;474480 wrote:BTW, if OSU and or Alabama lose a game.......an undefeated Boise State will make the BCS title game. Chances are, Boise gets in this year.

  
  I agree. Although much could depend on who those teams lose to. But no question, that Boise is the current media darling and the media wants to see a non BCS conf. team get in the title game.
• WebFire

  Need. A. Playoff.
• dat dude

  rock_knutne;474478 wrote:He's confused with life in general.

  
  A post without a misspelled word. Congrats.
• j_crazy

  

  so by some people's opinion i've gathered that it's alright for boise state to play 2 decent Non conference games, win them and dominate a piss poor conference. but if OSU schedules 1 good Non conference game, wins that AND wins the title in a BCS conference, they don't deserve a chance.
  
  
  sumpin aint right here...
• lhslep134

  

  I don't think an undefeated Boise State deserves a bid over a one loss Alabama or one loss OSU.
  
  Reasoning? I don't think Boise would get through the Big 10 or SEC schedule with less than 2 losses. Nothing they did yesterday gave me the impression they would. They beat a V. Tech team that could be the most perennially overrated team of the past 10 years. Beamer is a garbage "clutch time" coach.
• devil1197

  Undefeated OSU and Bama make it in over Boise, that's what I think will happen this year.
• cats gone wild

  In 2007, OSU didnt beat anyone ranked in the top 20 and they made a title game. But, that took a series of things for them to be able to make it. It doesnt take a tough schedule to make it every year.
  Do you guys think Utah was championship game worthy but didnt get a chance a couple years ago?
• devil1197

  cats gone wild;474570 wrote:In 2007, OSU didnt beat anyone ranked in the top 20 and they made a title game. But, that took a series of things for them to be able to make it. It doesnt take a tough schedule to make it every year.
  Do you guys think Utah was championship game worthy but didnt get a chance a couple years ago?

  
  I remember that year, tbh OSU had no right playing in the NCG. What were they ranked after the Michigan game in November, like 7th or 8th. Every week after that a top team lost.
• ksig489

  To me...Boise State has to prove they can sustain that level of play over the course of an entire season against not neccessarily ranked teams but in a conference that has 6-8 teams who have the ability to beat them on a yearly basis. They had a chance to join the Pac-10 when all of the conference shifting was going on. Had they sent word to the Pac-10 that they were interested, there is no question they would have been accepted. But they chose to avoid the tougher conference.
• trep14

  ksig489;474599 wrote:To me...Boise State has to prove they can sustain that level of play over the course of an entire season against not neccessarily ranked teams but in a conference that has 6-8 teams who have the ability to beat them on a yearly basis. They had a chance to join the Pac-10 when all of the conference shifting was going on. Had they sent word to the Pac-10 that they were interested, there is no question they would have been accepted. But they chose to avoid the tougher conference.

  
  You really believe this? There is no doubt in my mind that Boise State or any other team like them would jump through hoops to get in to the PAC 10 or any other major conference. The fact of the matter is, big conferences like the PAC-10 don't want anything to do with schools like Boise because they don't bring a big market size with them. Utah didn't get the invite just because they have been a good football program, they also got it because they bring the Salt Lake City/Utah Market with them. I can't believe you actually think Boise wasn't begging the PAC-10 to take them. You realize how much money Boise State would gain from joining the PAC-10 right? Schools don't turn down that kind of money to play in the WAC and get screwed over by the BCS every year.
• Tiger2003

  

  Boise State is a good football team but that's about it. I am not impressed with with the argument if they finish the season undefeated they deserve to play for the National Title game. They play in a weak conference where each week the starters play about 3 quarters, and they are done. I hate the argument, that people say they know how to win the big games. Yah sure they have been in 3 or 4 big games. Give me a break they play one good team every year. Boise State did not want to join the Pac 10, they had already signed a contract with the MWC. That has to be one of the dumbest moves ever. Yah TCU is there so now instead of having a big out of conference games, they will just wait till they play TCU later in the year. Boise State playing in the National Title is a joke in my eyes. I just don't think 1 big win and being undefeated should get you there, while other teams in the BCS conf are fighting and clawing each week to get through there schedule untouched. I would take a 1 loss Big 10 and SEC team over a undefeated Boise State team.
• trep14

  Tiger2003;474662 wrote:Boise State is a good football team but that's about it. I am not impressed with with the argument if they finish the season undefeated they deserve to play for the National Title game. They play in a weak conference where each week the starters play about 3 quarters, and they are done. I hate the argument, that people say they know how to win the big games. Yah sure they have been in 3 or 4 big games. Give me a break they play one good team every year. Boise State did not want to join the Pac 10 , they had already signed a contract with the MWC. That has to be one of the dumbest moves ever. Yah TCU is there so now instead of having a big out of conference games, they will just wait till they play TCU later in the year. Boise State playing in the National Title is a joke in my eyes. I just don't think 1 big win and being undefeated should get you there, while other teams in the BCS conf are fighting and clawing each week to get through there schedule untouched. I would take a 1 loss Big 10 and SEC team over a undefeated Boise State team.

  
  See my above post. Show me where Boise State joined the MWC because they "didn't want to join the PAC-10". Once again, money makes the world go 'round in college football. There is no way Boise State's AD didn't want to join the PAC-10. I don't know the exact numbers, but I would guess the bottom of the barrel PAC-10 teams make more. For instance:
  
  http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2009/07/how-much-revenue-did-your-favorite-fbs-school-take-in-in-200708-this-chart-will-tell-you.html
  
  Boise State didn't make a BCS bowl in this college football season, so I don't exactly know how much more that would have helped them in their revenue. But still, they had a far more successful season than Washington State did, who has been down for years now. Yet Washington State still pulled in $40 million while Boise pulled in only $22 million. Like I said, I would have a very, very, very hard time believing Boise State is ducking the PAC-10 with that kind of money at stake.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  Throw Boise State in a conference similar to the ACC and, if they win out, then I will give them their due credit; but until they play a full season, I will continuing to cast stones at them. They don't take the physical beating other major teams take. Boise State plays one tough game a year and that's it. It's easy to rip thru a season when your starters are out at halftime almost every game.
• dlazz

  It's not Boise's fault they have to play the WAC schedule. They've tried beefing up their OOC schedule but nobody wants to play them because it's a lose-lose situation for "big" teams;
  
  Boise wins, the "big" team looks bad for losing to a WAC school
  Boise loses, the "big" team was just padding their schedule with another tune-up game
  
  IMO, Boise has done everything in their power to deserve a NC game.
• justincredible

  

  dlazz;474725 wrote:It's not Boise's fault they have to play the WAC schedule. They've tried beefing up their OOC schedule but nobody wants to play them because it's a lose-lose situation for "big" teams;
  
  Boise wins, the "big" team looks bad for losing to a WAC school
  Boise loses, the "big" team was just padding their schedule with another tune-up game
  
  IMO, Boise has done everything in their power to deserve a NC game.

  
  Agreed. Boise St has done everything they can. It's not like they can just say "Hey, we're joining the Pac-10 next year."
• centralbucksfan

  dlazz;474725 wrote:It's not Boise's fault they have to play the WAC schedule. They've tried beefing up their OOC schedule but nobody wants to play them because it's a lose-lose situation for "big" teams;
  
  Boise wins, the "big" team looks bad for losing to a WAC school
  Boise loses, the "big" team was just padding their schedule with another tune-up game
  
  IMO, Boise has done everything in their power to deserve a NC game.

  
  I don't think anyone is discounting what you are saying. But fact of the matter is, they don't have the weekly grind and physical beating that teams in BCS conferences do. So the major question is, IF, IF they go undefeated, and IF a Big Ten, SEC team happens to lose a game...are they more deserving to be in a title game over an SEC/Big Ten team? I say NO. But I also believe they will get it if it happens to come out like that.
• OneBuckeye

  

  It is their fault. They still scheduled Toledo and Wyoming as OOC games. And they are joining the MWC which is better than nothing, but BYU and Utah and leaving so that confrence will lack the quality opponents as well. The PAC 10 may take a look at them if they go super confrence. If they want to be taken seriously they have to schedule 4 BCS OOC games.
• enigmaax

  dlazz;474725 wrote:It's not Boise's fault they have to play the WAC schedule. They've tried beefing up their OOC schedule but nobody wants to play them because it's a lose-lose situation for "big" teams;
  
  Boise wins, the "big" team looks bad for losing to a WAC school
  Boise loses, the "big" team was just padding their schedule with another tune-up game
  
  IMO, Boise has done everything in their power to deserve a NC game.

  
  Who refused to play Boise for the reasons you mentioned above?
• centralbucksfan

  enigmaax;474770 wrote:Who refused to play Boise for the reasons you mentioned above?

  
  I'd like to know this answer as well. Scheduling for college football is done YEARS in advance. Even before Boise was good. Meaning at that point in time, those top teams would not have been dodging them.
• cats gone wild

  centralbucksfan;474784 wrote:I'd like to know this answer as well. Scheduling for college football is done YEARS in advance.

  
  Not necessarily true.
• enigmaax

  cats gone wild;474788 wrote:Not necessarily true. Alot of teams do it one or 4 years in advance for a bunch of non con games. OSU is an exception except for the Colorado game.

  
  Question still stands. Everyone says schools dodge Boise State for the reasons above. I've never seen anyone back that up as fact. I recall some talk once about a couple schools who had full schedules or whose open dates didn't match. There's a difference between not dropping someone or not being able to completely rearrange your schedule to accomodate someone and ducking them. That talk is more of the Boise whine machine in action.
• trep14

  enigmaax;474791 wrote:Question still stands. Everyone says schools dodge Boise State for the reasons above. I've never seen anyone back that up as fact. I recall some talk once about a couple schools who had full schedules or whose open dates didn't match. There's a difference between not dropping someone or not being able to completely rearrange your schedule to accomodate someone and ducking them. That talk is more of the Boise whine machine in action .

  
  The real irony being that no one whines quite as much as the Boise State haters.
• karen lotz

  

  There is no way to tell what kind of talks go into scheduling games. Do you think a team like OSU or Florida or Texas is going to come out and say they declined to play a Boise St or Utah because it was a lose lose situation? Boise and TCU have said they would play anyone in the country because they feel like they can compete with the big boys. They have also been trying to get a home and home series with big schools but have been unsuccessful due to big schools not wanting to miss out on the money a home game would generate.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  dlazz;474725 wrote:It's not Boise's fault they have to play the WAC schedule. They've tried beefing up their OOC schedule but nobody wants to play them because it's a lose-lose situation for "big" teams;
  
  Boise wins, the "big" team looks bad for losing to a WAC school
  Boise loses, the "big" team was just padding their schedule with another tune-up game
  
  IMO, Boise has done everything in their power to deserve a NC game.

  Hogwash. Boise refuses to travel and play teams away from home. Va Tech was the first game where Boise has left the stable.
• karen lotz

  

  Hogwash. 2008 at #12 Oregon.