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Nebraska to Join the Big 10

  • enigmaax
    rock_knutne;385639 wrote:That's not true. TCU had no choice when Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor left the SWC for the Big 12 and Arkansas left for the SEC. Winning in a major conference had nothing to do with it, no other major conference was available for them to join.

    You don't think their lack of competitiveness had anything to do with the fact that "no major conference was available"? No major conference wanted them because they brought nothing (either financially OR competitively)......SOOOOO...........they went to a second rate conference.

    That situation wasn't entirely different from what is going on right now. A bunch of schools are leaving the Big XII - does any major conference want Iowa State? Why wouldn't they? They bring nothing to the table, thats why. Now if Iowa State goes and wins the WAC in a few years are we going to be talking about how great of a program they are?
  • LJ
    enigmaax;385665 wrote:You don't think their lack of competitiveness had anything to do with the fact that "no major conference was available"? No major conference wanted them because they brought nothing (either financially OR competitively)......SOOOOO...........they went to a second rate conference.

    That situation wasn't entirely different from what is going on right now. A bunch of schools are leaving the Big XII - does any major conference want Iowa State? Why wouldn't they? They bring nothing to the table, thats why. Now if Iowa State goes and wins the WAC in a few years are we going to be talking about how great of a program they are?
    And that they need to join the Big 10 (14)
  • rock_knutne
    enigmaax;385665 wrote:You don't think their lack of competitiveness had anything to do with the fact that "no major conference was available"? No major conference wanted them because they brought nothing (either financially OR competitively)......SOOOOO...........they went to a second rate conference.

    That situation wasn't entirely different from what is going on right now. A bunch of schools are leaving the Big XII - does any major conference want Iowa State? Why wouldn't they? They bring nothing to the table, thats why. Now if Iowa State goes and wins the WAC in a few years are we going to be talking about how great of a program they are?

    Your point is well taken but that's not what you said in your initial post concerning TCU.

    What major conference was left for them to join? All I'm saying is they didn't leave the SWC because of a competitive aspect, they left because the conference disbanded, contrary to what you posted.
  • enigmaax
    rock_knutne;385697 wrote:Your point is well taken but that's not what you said in your initial post concerning TCU.

    What major conference was left for them to join? All I'm saying is they didn't leave the SWC because of a competitive aspect, they left because the conference disbanded, contrary to what you posted.

    I see what you mean with the way I worded it and while you are right, TCU didn't say, "we suck, we're going to a lower level conference", their relative standing on the landscape (along with some of the other bottom feeders that were weeded out) played directly into the decision for the SWC to disband. Texas and Texas A&M for looking for something better than TCU and Rice, essentially. There's still a cause and effect related to their lack of competitiveness.
  • SportsAndLady
    Whatever happens..how fun has this been? haha I love hearing all these reports coming out talking about the possible scenarios.
  • sleeper
    rock_knutne;385573 wrote:The above post is why people shouldn't smoke crack.

    Delusional nut jobs like yourself can take all the shots you want but the FACTS are, the Big 10 was and probably still is, courting ND to join. If your brilliant posts are so true then why does the Big 10 want them?

    I'll wait for the usual response of made up information and blind hatred.

    Well of course the Big Ten wants them, but it has to do with money and academics not football success.

    I mean clearly NOT football success LOL. ND would be at the bottom of the Big Ten year in year out, but they'd bring in a nice chunk of cash, so why not?

    Once again, ND fans boast more about their marketability than anything else, which is absolutely hilarious.
  • rock_knutne
    enigmaax;385708 wrote:I see what you mean with the way I worded it and while you are right, TCU didn't say, "we suck, we're going to a lower level conference", their relative standing on the landscape (along with some of the other bottom feeders that were weeded out) played directly into the decision for the SWC to disband. Texas and Texas A&M for looking for something better than TCU and Rice, essentially. There's still a cause and effect related to their lack of competitiveness.

    Not to play devil's avocate but why did Texas, A&M and Tech take Baylor with them? They didn't exactly set the SWC on fire. Another thing that many people forget, the SWC starting going down hill when SMU was handed the death penalty and the conference as a whole had violation after violation handed down to them.

    Unfortunately, many schools are going to suffer TCU's SWC fate with this conference expansion, it's a shame.
  • rock_knutne
    sleeper;385716 wrote:Well of course the Big Ten wants them, but it has to do with money and academics not football success.

    I mean clearly NOT football success LOL. ND would be at the bottom of the Big Ten year in year out, but they'd bring in a nice chunk of cash, so why not?

    Once again, ND fans boast more about their marketability than anything else, which is absolutely hilarious.

    I see you went and got a fix........you're either stoned, brain dead or both.
  • sleeper
    rock_knutne;385726 wrote:I see you went and got a fix........you're either stoned, brain dead or both.

    What about my post is inaccurate? ND is ranked highly in revenue and academics. What about perennial 6-6 with huge bowl loss streaks and getting BLOWN OUT against top competition screams football success?
  • enigmaax
    rock_knutne;385721 wrote:Not to play devil's avocate but why did Texas, A&M and Tech take Baylor with them? They didn't exactly set the SWC on fire. Another thing that many people forget, the SWC starting going down hill when SMU was handed the death penalty and the conference as a whole had violation after violation handed down to them.

    Unfortunately, many schools are going to suffer TCU's SWC fate with this conference expansion, it's a shame.
    Baylor - almost entirely political....but, they did have a tenured coach with a winning record and had averaged a bowl game about every other year in the decade prior to the disbanding.

    I will say, in TCU's defense, they were living in a land of thieves basically. I read something (maybe a link someone posted here, I don't remember) the other day that talked about how Jim Wacker found out about Kenneth Davis taking money and reported it. SMU, on the other hand, had its entire administration funneling money to recruits even AFTER the NCAA caught them (hence the death penalty). TCU wasn't going to keep up no matter what they did, but at least some key people showed a little bit of integrity.
  • Tiernan
    I see Rocky -deleted- Fab1b name calling- is now supporting that other pussy sport known as fut-bol with his avatar, figures... ND may want to consider directing their significant tradition and marketing machine towards the sport most of us quit playing in 2nd grade , cuz they ain't done squat with the real pigskin for quite awhile.
  • j_crazy
    so the Pac 16 is formed (probably) and the Big 10 is now the Big 12. Not exaclty what the B10 wanted when this process got started, I'd imagine.
  • Wooball
    j_crazy;385753 wrote:so the Pac 16 is formed (probably) and the Big 10 is now the Big 12. Not exaclty what the B10 wanted when this process got started, I'd imagine.

    It sounds that way. Mizzou may be in the works soon, but if I am the Big 10 that may or may not be a good thing. I think they would be better off taking 4 schools from the East Coast. I wouldn't be surprised to hear soon that the Big 10 is looking at schools like Maryland, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Georgia Tech from the ACC, or Syracuse and UCONN from the Big East to try to get the NYC, DC area, Atlanta TV Markets.
  • j_crazy
    As a football fan, i want missouri for the rivalries but in the scheme of things, it might not be a great thing to take them.
  • LJ
    Holy Shit this is absolute chaos

    http://www.kctv5.com/sports/23860558/detail.html
    KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- High level sources in multiple conferences have told KCTV5 that Texas and Texas A&M are looking to move to the Big Ten Conference and have petitioned for membership, while the University of Oklahoma is planning on petitioning the Southeastern Conference to become a member of its conference.

    KCTV5's sources said that Texas and Texas A&M do not have to include Texas Tech or Baylor in their plans. Sources told KCTV5 that there have already been discussions about the two schools entering the Big Ten and that the agreement could be made as soon as Thursday.
  • dokken
    LJ;385588 wrote:They beat #20 Michigan in the 2005 season.

    http://www.huskers.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=3&SPID=22&DB_OEM_ID=100&Q_SEASON=2005

    According to this site, Michigan wasn't ranked. And for those who said they beat #23 so and so an #24 so and so during that time period, I said a top 20 team.

    Nonetheless, Nebraska will now beat Top 20 teams consistantly in the near future.......cause they left the Big 12 and joined the Big 10. Smart move by them.
  • LJ
    dokken;385830 wrote:http://www.huskers.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=3&SPID=22&DB_OEM_ID=100&Q_SEASON=2005

    According to this site, Michigan wasn't ranked. And for those who said they beat #23 so and so an #24 so and so during that time period, I said a top 20 team.

    Nonetheless, Nebraska will now beat Top 20 teams consistantly in the near future.......cause they left the Big 12 and joined the Big 10. Smart move by them.

    They were AP #20 and Coaches #21 heading into the bowl games

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/year/2005/week/15

    I don't care what the Nebraska site says, the ACTUAL rankings says they were. So, you were wrong.
  • dokken
    Still weren't a number 1-19 team.
  • LJ
    dokken;385849 wrote:Still weren't a number 1-19 team.

    top 20 is 1-20

    lol

    "ok, I was wrong, so I will change my statement from top 20 to top 19 HURF DURF"
  • enigmaax
    dokken;385830 wrote:http://www.huskers.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=3&SPID=22&DB_OEM_ID=100&Q_SEASON=2005

    According to this site, Michigan wasn't ranked. And for those who said they beat #23 so and so an #24 so and so during that time period, I said a top 20 team.

    Nonetheless, Nebraska will now beat Top 20 teams consistantly in the near future.......cause they left the Big 12 and joined the Big 10. Smart move by them.

    Okay, so you are right, you said top 20....but why? What measurement is that? I could say, well neither team has beaten a top 6 team in the last blah blah years and that means they both suck. You just drew an arbitrary line, whereas the rest of the country pretty much recognizes the Top 25 as at least a point of reference.

    It seems as though you are trying to say Nebraska's move to the Big Ten is somehow comparable to TCU's bouncing around from the WAC to CUSA and finally to the MWC. A solid program is moving to a solid conference in Nebraska's case. In TCU's, a crappy program moved on from a once-solid conference to a series of crappy conferences.
  • LJ
    enigmaax;385865 wrote:Okay, so you are right, you said top 20....but why? What measurement is that? I could say, well neither team has beaten a top 6 team in the last blah blah years and that means they both suck. You just drew an arbitrary line, whereas the rest of the country pretty much recognizes the Top 25 as at least a point of reference.

    It seems as though you are trying to say Nebraska's move to the Big Ten is somehow comparable to TCU's bouncing around from the WAC to CUSA and finally to the MWC. A solid program is moving to a solid conference in Nebraska's case. In TCU's, a crappy program moved on from a once-solid conference to a series of crappy conferences.

    He wasn't right, Nebraska beat #20 Michigan in 2005. That site is wrong. The AP site has the rankings heading into the bowls.
  • dokken
    Ok, they beat the #20 team once in 2005. So essentially they beat a Ball State or Air Force type team. Cause thats usually what hangs out below 20.
  • dokken
    Yes one poll had em at 20, one at 21.
  • LJ
    you're funny. Your hatred is quite entertaining because of the things it is causing you to make up.

    There is not a 0 involved here, top 20 = 1-20

    Ball State and Air Force type team huh?
  • dokken
    Ok, like I said, they werent a solid 20. One poll at 20, one at 21. In a 8 year stretch you would think Nebraska would have beaten a top 10 team, let alone a top 19 team.