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SportsAndLady

the_system;384589 wrote:You're right. Except for the fact that other teams would have the luxury of a weaker schedule because unlike these two, OSU and Michigan would have a tougher road (normally) than other teams.

Not to mention, in separate divisions, the teams wouldn't HAVE to schedule each other...which, if you ask Michigan right now, they might opt to do that

enigmaax

SportsAndLady;384562 wrote:Colorado has been vying for a Pac-10 spot for years. If they get the invite from the Pac-10, make no mistake about it, they are going...regardless of what Texas or anyone else does.

Yeah, I was basing my statement on the last thing I read about Texas (the state folks) pushing for Baylor to be included with them. If Colorado and Baylor were the only factors, sure, Colorado would be in. But Texas > Colorado for the Pac 10 and if they say, "we're coming if and bringing Baylor", Colorado is ass out (they aren't going to take a spot away from anyone else in that six team package, either).

Mohican00

karen lotz;384595 wrote:I think the bigger issue the two schools and their fanbases would have with them being in different divisions would be the potential of them meeting in the championship game the week after playing each other in the regular season finale. This would hurt the rivalry and people of Ohio might not considerate the best in all of sports anymore.

I know you're going to hate to hear this but......

Why do we need a conference championship game? The B10 has gotten this far without one for 11 teams and it does benefit them by having a team with one less loss at the end of the year (better bowl placement). And as long as a playoff doesn't exist a conference championship game isn't really necessary. In addition a playoff system is routinely discredited first by which major conference? Yep, Big-Televen. And what does the B10 use to rank teams and determine conf champions? Head to heads, overall wins/losses, a fucking coin toss

. That sounds more in line with the BCS

I know it's ridiculous, stupid, etc, but it could be a possibility.

enigmaax

I've always thought a North-South setup for the Big Ten would be better, but I think it is unlikely. If you assume Ohio State and Michigan are generally the top two teams, being in the same division means you are guaranteed to never have your marquee matchup in your title game. Thing is, the title game is probably going to make money no matter what, so does it really matter (how has the Big XII done with 4 and 5 loss teams getting hammered by 60 points, though)?

But, I doubt they'd ever move the game from the last slot on the schedule and playing two weeks in row wouldn't be cool for either team. You could have one team knocking the other out of the title game in the last week, though. Still, I think the powers-that-be will weigh the specialness of one game more heavily than trying to get the two to meet in the supposed "big" game.

Nate

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karen lotz

Mohican00;384606 wrote:I know you're going to hate to hear this but......

Why do we need a conference championship game?

The Big Ten,not me, wants a conference championship game for the same reason it wants to expand.

enigmaax

The SEC championship game brought in around 14-14.5 million the last two years. I'm sure the Big Ten schools won't mind an extra seven digits in each of their banks.

the_system

Latest news:

Nebraska regents approve move to the Big 10, announcement coming Friday.

Missouri getting snubbed.

Big Ten list of potentials based on want: 1) Notre Dame 2) Nebraska 3) Rutgers and/or Maryland

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1092612

Missouri might get F'd here. Told the Big 12 to suck it...expecting B10 approval. Will go crawling back if the B12 even stays together. They might end up in the MWC lol.

Fab1b

Was just going to post this about Neb, its scrolling across the bottom of ESPN now

SportsAndLady

I don't know if I believe that...The Big Ten would be dumb to snub Missouri. St. Louis market, AAU school, good academics, and a decent basketball and football team most years.

the_system

SportsAndLady;384667 wrote:I don't know if I believe that...The Big Ten would be dumb to snub Missouri. St. Louis market, AAU school, good academics, and a decent basketball and football team most years.

Well, their deadline is the same as Nebraska's. Nebraska has actually been the quietest bunch out of them all. Missouri couldn't get the official news out fast enough if they were going.

goosebumps

College football will be completely different this time next week. Things are going to start happening fast.

KR1245

Big 12 is done. Too much money in the Big Ten. I cant wait to get out to Lincoln for a game.

Mohican00

KR1245;384696 wrote:Big 12 is done. Too much money in the Big Ten. I cant wait to get out to Lincoln for a game.

Agreed wholeheartedly. Lincoln will be awesome

ptown_trojans_1

Hate this move.

I'm in the minority, but I like the way the conference is, and do not want divisions or a title game.
I just hope they add Nebraska and do not add in a title game or divisions.

enigmaax

And naturally, someone is going to take something to court....or bring Congress into it:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Kansas-senators-lobby-Huskers-threaten-legal-fi;_ylt=AnJPzAu3VjOxvDMmuO0UY3ccvrYF?urn=ncaaf,246925

Funny that big wigs from Kansas haven't really cared about the non-BCS conferences being treated "fairly" until now.

Jughead

And so it begins.

slingshot4ever

enigmaax;384540 wrote:SnL - Interesting take. My thoughts are pretty close, but I don't think Texas goes independent. That bumps Colorado from the Pac 10 and one of two things happens with the four leftovers. Ideally, I would think, would be that they start picking the top mid-majors and retain the Big XII name and BCS bid. Another possibility is that the MWC and BXII remnants "merge" so to speak....though the problem with that is that there's going to be some dead weight that doesn't really benefit the conference.

If I were the remaining four, I'd probably try to put this together:

Kansas
Kansas State
Colorado
Iowa State
TCU
Houston
Colorado State
Utah
BYU
Boise State
Fresno
Air Force

They could keep going to 16, but that didn't work out for the WAC last time and I think it gets too big and includes too much dead weight in this case. The WAC, though, gets its two divisions back by re-merging with the crappy MWC sendoffs.

At the same time this is going on, the Big East is gonna have to go to at least 12, as well. My guess there would be we'll see Memphis, East Carolina, Marshall, and Central Florida first up on that list. Now, this assumes the Big Ten settles at Nebraska, Missouri, and Notre Dame.

Also, if the SEC starts looking to expand to 16, it starts a whole other chain of events that rapes the ACC and in turn, the Big East moves down yet another rung and struggles to stay afloat.

Would KU ever lose a conference basketball game, haha.

Pick6

good pickup

Manhattan Buckeye

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue....this is going to get heated in the next couple of days.

mattinctown

Good pick up with Nebraska, I'd love to see either ND and Mizzou or ND and Pitt, but we'll see. I can understand why they would invite Rutgers, but as far as fan interest it's a no-go.

Mohican00

ptown_trojans_1;384714 wrote:Hate this move.

I'm in the minority, but I like the way the conference is, and do not want divisions or a title game.
I just hope they add Nebraska and do not add in a title game or divisions.

go back to the political forum.

haha, JK. Traditions are cool

Sykotyk

You can't have OSU and UM in separate divisions because if they continue to play the last week of the regular season and given their history are the best in their divisions they'd have a rematch the following week to determine the title and the first game meant absolutely jack-schit.

At least if they're in the same divisions if they're #1 and #2 in the division their game can probably be an unofficial semifinal to the Big Ten title game. After all, the OSU-UM game is one of the most watched annual matchups in the country to the point ABC puts it on nationally in its timeslot.

11-0 OSU vs. 10-1 UM in seperate divisions would mean it's a 'warm-up' game to the actual title game.

Sykotyk

enigmaax

Sykotyk;384954 wrote:
11-0 OSU vs. 10-1 UM in seperate divisions would mean it's a 'warm-up' game to the actual title game.

Sykotyk

So, what would you call the game that pits the winner of 11-0 OSU vs. 10-1 UM (from the SAME division) vs.....say, 8-4 Minnesota (70-3, Texas vs. Colorado, Big XII, 2005) or 9-3 Missouri (62-21, Oklahoma vs. Missouri, Big XII, 2008)?

How much more interesting would the Big XII title game have been...ever, really....if Oklahoma and Texas were in opposite divisions?

I would much rather see the Big Ten NOT go to divisions, but still have the title game. They would still need to have the rotating schedule (they do that anyway), the only difference is, they could match the REAL #1 and #2 teams in their title by NOT dividing the conference and simply taking the two teams with the best conference records. It may end up OSU vs. Michigan again (in about 12 years after UM recovers from Rich Rod), but that'd still be a better game/draw/whatever than what has happened over and over again in the Big XII.

karen lotz

ccrunner609;384791 wrote:Screw ND and their TV deals......if they want in the B10 then they have to drop NBC.

Where has it ever been said they want in the Big 10?

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