2010 Preseason Heisman Watch List
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swamisez
Ryan Williams from Virginia Tech. They should start 8-0 if they can get by Boise State in the opener. Williams will amass huge stats if he stays healthy, and Tyrod Taylor will keep him a threat in the red zone with the option. -
dat dude
What predictions?TheMightyGators wrote:
does that make every OSU fan an idiot after predictions in the Purdue game?dat dude wrote:
Honestly, you saying he has no shot at the Heisman is a great indication that he will be in the running this fall. I think most remember your terrible predictions last year on the Rose Bowl thread. You were proven to be an idiot then and it looks like nothing has changed.KnightRyder wrote: i doubted him all season and his final ranking proved me right. he just cant throw a lick. it took him 13 games to accomplish what christian ponder did in nine games. and i dont see ponders name thrown around in any heisman debate. and as far the rose bowl , one game doesnt make a career. if that was the case Tim Biakabutuka would have won the heisman on his performance against the buckeyes. and the knee injury is merely a excuse for his sub par performance. you guys make me laugh , deep down you know pryor hasnt lived up to the hype when he came out of high school. i mean honestly there was only 61 qb's in college football ranked higher than pryor last season. and you want to throw him in the heisman watch? -
KnightRyder
when all the of buckeye nation predicted a big win over purdue. not mention the prediction of osu beating usc at home.dat dude wrote:
What predictions?TheMightyGators wrote:
does that make every OSU fan an idiot after predictions in the Purdue game?dat dude wrote:
Honestly, you saying he has no shot at the Heisman is a great indication that he will be in the running this fall. I think most remember your terrible predictions last year on the Rose Bowl thread. You were proven to be an idiot then and it looks like nothing has changed.KnightRyder wrote: i doubted him all season and his final ranking proved me right. he just cant throw a lick. it took him 13 games to accomplish what christian ponder did in nine games. and i dont see ponders name thrown around in any heisman debate. and as far the rose bowl , one game doesnt make a career. if that was the case Tim Biakabutuka would have won the heisman on his performance against the buckeyes. and the knee injury is merely a excuse for his sub par performance. you guys make me laugh , deep down you know pryor hasnt lived up to the hype when he came out of high school. i mean honestly there was only 61 qb's in college football ranked higher than pryor last season. and you want to throw him in the heisman watch? -
Automatik
Let me guess...you picked Purdue? :rolleyes:KnightRyder wrote:
when all the of buckeye nation predicted a big win over purdue. not mention the prediction of osu beating usc at home.dat dude wrote:
What predictions?TheMightyGators wrote:
does that make every OSU fan an idiot after predictions in the Purdue game?dat dude wrote:
Honestly, you saying he has no shot at the Heisman is a great indication that he will be in the running this fall. I think most remember your terrible predictions last year on the Rose Bowl thread. You were proven to be an idiot then and it looks like nothing has changed.KnightRyder wrote: i doubted him all season and his final ranking proved me right. he just cant throw a lick. it took him 13 games to accomplish what christian ponder did in nine games. and i dont see ponders name thrown around in any heisman debate. and as far the rose bowl , one game doesnt make a career. if that was the case Tim Biakabutuka would have won the heisman on his performance against the buckeyes. and the knee injury is merely a excuse for his sub par performance. you guys make me laugh , deep down you know pryor hasnt lived up to the hype when he came out of high school. i mean honestly there was only 61 qb's in college football ranked higher than pryor last season. and you want to throw him in the heisman watch? -
gamauter
No more so than when tsun predicted they would beat app stateKnightRyder wrote:
when all the of buckeye nation predicted a big win over purdue. not mention the prediction of osu beating usc at home.dat dude wrote:
What predictions?TheMightyGators wrote:
does that make every OSU fan an idiot after predictions in the Purdue game?dat dude wrote:
Honestly, you saying he has no shot at the Heisman is a great indication that he will be in the running this fall. I think most remember your terrible predictions last year on the Rose Bowl thread. You were proven to be an idiot then and it looks like nothing has changed.KnightRyder wrote: i doubted him all season and his final ranking proved me right. he just cant throw a lick. it took him 13 games to accomplish what christian ponder did in nine games. and i dont see ponders name thrown around in any heisman debate. and as far the rose bowl , one game doesnt make a career. if that was the case Tim Biakabutuka would have won the heisman on his performance against the buckeyes. and the knee injury is merely a excuse for his sub par performance. you guys make me laugh , deep down you know pryor hasnt lived up to the hype when he came out of high school. i mean honestly there was only 61 qb's in college football ranked higher than pryor last season. and you want to throw him in the heisman watch? -
goosebumps
Red_Skin_Pride wrote:
Well before the BCS did away with that problem, there were split National champions all the time, so maybe to you they don't mean squat, but the AP poll was and is still recognized as the top media poll in the country. Those rankings you and I and every other fan goes by to start the season and end the season? AP poll.KnightRyder wrote: i hate to tell you this but in 1997 nebraska won the national championship. michigan got the AP poll which everyone knows not mean squat. yea osu averaged big numbers once they got into the soft big ten schedule. most of what you said was nonsense and shows you are nothin but a osu homer. but this really stood out "You don't win 11 games, a major conference championship, and the Rose bowl with a one-dimensional offense".
you dont huh? well if you remember florida state won 2 national title and they were a one dimensional offense. and how about nebraska 94 , 95 and 97. tell me they werent a one dimensional offense.
And secondly, Nebraska and Tommie Frazier were far from one-dimensional. Tommie Frazier finished with over 4,000 yards passing in his career with 47 TD's and 18 INT's. His senior year, the year he won the heisman, he completed nearly 60% of his passes for 1,500 hards and 17 TD's (4 int). And again, with Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips in the backfield, why would they NEED to throw all that much?
And Florida State? that doesn't even deserve a response..They had Charlie Ward when they won their first NC in 1993, who threw for over 3,000 yards that year, and Warrick Dunn was their RB, who STILL holds the all-time rushing mark at FSU...so I have no idea where you're going with that. Again, you DONT WIN CONFERENCES, BCS BOWL GAMES AND NAT'l TITLES BEING ONE DIMENSIONAL. Ask Cincy.
Not sure why you're bringing Cincy into this in 08, they were a defensive team, led by a strong senior laden defense when they lost to VT.
Last year, yes pretty one dimensional in the play calling (not abilities). I would imagine that Florida would have beaten anyone in the country that night (Alabama included). You've got TT's last game and what many thought would be Meyer's last game. Florida was a tough, tough team regardless of how OSU fans feel about them. -
Little Danny
To the people critical of Nebraska as being one dimensional, I think time has has caused people to forget how dominant their defenses were during those years (from about 1993-1997). In 1997, their defense gave up only 162 points all season, while the offense put up 459 points. Before putting away the Miami Hurricanes in the Orange Bowl, they beat the crap out of #3 Tennessee 42-17 (TN was led by some slob I have never heard of, Peyton Man- something or another----- btw, while we are being nostalgic, that TN team beat OSU in the Citrus Bowl).
Being one dimensional is not necessarily a bad thing, particularly if you do it really well. -
vball10setback to the topic...at this time last year I seem to remember names like McCoy,Tebow,Bradford,Spiller,etc. being bantered around in "Heisman hopeful" conversations,but the name Ingram didn't seem to get a lot of play....and for this reason,and based on the way TP played his last three games,including the Rose Bowl,he deserves to be among those mentioned at this time--IMO
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thedynasty1998
Pryor was mentioned last year as well. -
vball10setI realize that--this post was aimed at the person who didn't think Pryor warranted being mentioned for the upcoming season--I prolly shoulda just hit reply on his post...
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thedynasty1998
Got you, but because he was mentioned last year is the same reason why I don't know if he should be named this year. He had a promising bowl game, but there really isn't anything outside of that game that would make you think he's on the Heisman level talks.
Let's hope he improves from last year before we start putting unrealistic expectations on him. -
FatHobbit
The Heisman typically goes to a player on a team who plays for the national title. Being the quarterback, and a main component of the offense on a team that is expected to be in the hunt puts him in the Heisman conversation IMHO. At the end of the season if OSU is in the title game, Pryor has a pretty good shot. If they aren't in the title game, he won't. That's one reason I think the Heisman is a joke. (It's basically who the voters think will be the MVP of the title game before the game is actually played.)thedynasty1998 wrote:He had a promising bowl game, but there really isn't anything outside of that game that would make you think he's on the Heisman level talks. -
thedynasty1998
This is what they say about Pryor:
Not really sure why they would say that, and then have him on his list?Consider Pryor's 2009 season a sophomore slump. He threw for 16 touchdowns but also hurled 10 interceptions while seeing his passer rating fall nearly 20 points as well from 2008.
There were four games this year in which Pryor failed to even throw for 100 yards. We could chalk this up to his Vick-like style of being able to run and pass, but in a conservative offense like Jim Tressel likes to run, Pryor must amp up his throwing ability.
He'll get some dark horse attention based on team and name alone, but Pryor needs to prove more on the field next year. -
vball10set^^^LOL...touche' !!!
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ksig489
Sweet! Then that means I as well am a heisman hopeful...because I have just as much of a chance as him.vball10set wrote: right now, I think Pryor's name has every right to be mentioned in the same sentence as "Heisman hopefuls"..why not?
How did Pryor "step up" his passing in a big game? He threw bubble screens, flare passes, and underneath routes. He is an awful downfield passer. OSU is in denial that with Pryor at the helm they are nothing but a Wildcat offense...a running back who occasionally throws.centralbucksfan wrote:
The difference being...Pryor stepped up in a big time game...Mallett couldn't complete 50% of his passes in big games. Do it when it counts...not when anyone behind center could win.thedynasty1998 wrote: Well if we are going to LOL about Mallet, then we would certainly do the same about Pryor.
I do however think Pryor is on the preseason short list, although his name was being thrown around last year as well.
See above response. He throws 5 yard passes. Bubble screens, flares, and underneath routes dont make you a passer. I could make those passes all day in my cuurent state of out-of-shapeness.Automatik wrote: People are still saying Pryor can't throw? Do you even WATCH THE GAMES?!
Pryor's issue never was that he couldn't throw. It was his inconsistency, footwork, and decision making. He isn't regressing, which is all I ask for. -
vball10set^^^wow--obviously it sucks being a tsun fan,but no need to get so angry...sorry to have an opinion!!!
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devil1197
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dat dude
Isn't that exactly what Tebow did to win the Heisman? I'm in no way comparing him to Tebow, but you don't have to be an excellent "downfield passer" to win the Heisman. If you have paid any attention to past winners, it often goes to the best player on the best team. Given OSU's stature in the college football world and the talent they bring back this year, it definitely is a possibility that Pryor is in the Hesiman running. In fact, lets bring this thread back in July/August when Vegas sets odds on the Heisman winner. I guarantee Pryor is in the top 3-4 names.ksig489 wrote: How did Pryor "step up" his passing in a big game? He threw bubble screens, flare passes, and underneath routes. He is an awful downfield passer. OSU is in denial that with Pryor at the helm they are nothing but a Wildcat offense...a running back who occasionally throws. -
ksig489
Who I watch has nothing to do with it. I saw his videos from HS and all he did was run or throw deep and his deep passes went practically straight up and came straight down, easily picked or knocked down by a good DB. I didn't like him coming out of HS and still dont. I was glad he didnt sign with Michigan, although in RRs system he would have been a beast running the ball. Unfortunately for him Tressell wasted 2 years trying to make him a passer. It wasnt until the end of last season that Tressell finally let him run more that he even became effective in games. He wasnt leading OSU to victories...they were winning games in a soft Big 10 by having more and better athletes than most teams. He is not, nor ever will be a "pro-style passer" that he wants to be or that Tressell thinks he can turn him in to. It is funny that OSU fans are critical of Tebow and how he cant be a pro QB when Pryor is nothing but a lesser version of Tebow. TT throws better AND runs better AND makes better decisions with better leadership skills that TP. Pryor is simply the QB on highly ranked team and that is the ONLY reason people may mention him as a Heisman candidate.vball10set wrote: ^^^wow--obviously it sucks being a tsun fan,but no need to get so angry...sorry to have an opinion!!!
Quite frankly, if Tressell would give him more chances the Heisman candidate on OSU's team is Brandon Saine. He is a freak and can do it all as a back. But JT is set on a RBBC approach with this team. -
thedynasty1998
As an OSU fan, I couldn't agree with this post any more. Well said!ksig489 wrote: Who I watch has nothing to do with it. I saw his videos from HS and all he did was run or throw deep and his deep passes went practically straight up and came straight down, easily picked or knocked down by a good DB. I didn't like him coming out of HS and still dont. I was glad he didnt sign with Michigan, although in RRs system he would have been a beast running the ball. Unfortunately for him Tressell wasted 2 years trying to make him a passer. It wasnt until the end of last season that Tressell finally let him run more that he even became effective in games. He wasnt leading OSU to victories...they were winning games in a soft Big 10 by having more and better athletes than most teams. He is not, nor ever will be a "pro-style passer" that he wants to be or that Tressell thinks he can turn him in to. It is funny that OSU fans are critical of Tebow and how he cant be a pro QB when Pryor is nothing but a lesser version of Tebow. TT throws better AND runs better AND makes better decisions with better leadership skills that TP. Pryor is simply the QB on highly ranked team and that is the ONLY reason people may mention him as a Heisman candidate.
Quite frankly, if Tressell would give him more chances the Heisman candidate on OSU's team is Brandon Saine. He is a freak and can do it all as a back. But JT is set on a RBBC approach with this team. -
devil1197Yeah, that soft Big Ten this year that won 2 BCS trophies and 4 of their top bowl games.
Pryor had no coaching in HS, did you really think he would become an elite passer this soon? Hell Smith didn't even start passing good until his JR year.
Although in RR he would be a beast running the ball and LOSING GAMES. -
FatHobbit
Isn't that why most players are mentioned as being a Heisman candidate?ksig489 wrote:Pryor is simply the QB on highly ranked team and that is the ONLY reason people may mention him as a Heisman candidate.
Maybe RR would have let him play defense too.devil1197 wrote:Although in RR he would be a beast running the ball and LOSING GAMES. -
centralbucksfan
Nothing but pure speculation and you lose some credibility when you say that Tebow runs better then Pryor. Thats laughable. Better thrower? Yes. Better leader? Yes. Better overall QB? Yes. Better runner? No. Your talking about a fullback vs a tailback if they were RB's.ksig489 wrote:
Who I watch has nothing to do with it. I saw his videos from HS and all he did was run or throw deep and his deep passes went practically straight up and came straight down, easily picked or knocked down by a good DB. I didn't like him coming out of HS and still dont. I was glad he didnt sign with Michigan, although in RRs system he would have been a beast running the ball. Unfortunately for him Tressell wasted 2 years trying to make him a passer. It wasnt until the end of last season that Tressell finally let him run more that he even became effective in games. He wasnt leading OSU to victories...they were winning games in a soft Big 10 by having more and better athletes than most teams. He is not, nor ever will be a "pro-style passer" that he wants to be or that Tressell thinks he can turn him in to. It is funny that OSU fans are critical of Tebow and how he cant be a pro QB when Pryor is nothing but a lesser version of Tebow. TT throws better AND runs better AND makes better decisions with better leadership skills that TP. Pryor is simply the QB on highly ranked team and that is the ONLY reason people may mention him as a Heisman candidate.vball10set wrote: ^^^wow--obviously it sucks being a tsun fan,but no need to get so angry...sorry to have an opinion!!!
Quite frankly, if Tressell would give him more chances the Heisman candidate on OSU's team is Brandon Saine. He is a freak and can do it all as a back. But JT is set on a RBBC approach with this team.
Saine doesn't have the durability to get what he needs to be a Heisman candidate.
Sure is easy to criticize Tressel right now. We'll see if its that easy when Pryor is done in two years. If he goes on to do great things, lead OSU to a title...people like you will eat crow. If not, then you can jump back up on your pedistal, pound your chest and say I told you so. -
thedynasty1998
In all fairness, often times a team is great due to QB play; whereas OSU is great and Pryor just happens to be the QB.FatHobbit wrote: Isn't that why most players are mentioned as being a Heisman candidate?
I'm not knocking Pryor because I think he has tons of potential and I really do expect him to have a much better year this year, but I just think all the Heisman talk is premature. He really hasn't done anything on the field to lead one to believe he will be the best player in college football this year.