2010 Preseason Heisman Watch List

• vball10set

  right now, I think Pryor's name has every right to be mentioned in the same sentence as "Heisman hopefuls"..why not?
• thedynasty1998

  

  Well if we are going to LOL about Mallet, then we would certainly do the same about Pryor.
  
  I do however think Pryor is on the preseason short list, although his name was being thrown around last year as well.
• vball10set

  ^^^I agree--I think Mallet should be on the list as well
• stroups

  

  I would love for Noel Devine to get his name in the mix this year
• j_crazy

  

  gibby08 wrote: I'm basing that on the fact that Brantley is a much better pure QB than Terrelle Pryor and the fact that his coaches will more so allow him to use his skills than Pryor's will

  I'd base mine on the fact that TP has played 2 full seasons and brantley has played <1/2 of a game.
  
  I'm pretty sure neither will come close to the trophy, but preseason having TP lower than Brantley and trying to justify with any other reason than "I'm a homer" is ridiculous.
  
  I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being a homer in this case because I'm 85% sure that neither will be in the running for the trophy.
• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998 wrote: Well if we are going to LOL about Mallet, then we would certainly do the same about Pryor.
  
  I do however think Pryor is on the preseason short list, although his name was being thrown around last year as well.

  The difference being...Pryor stepped up in a big time game...Mallett couldn't complete 50% of his passes in big games. Do it when it counts...not when anyone behind center could win.
• centralbucksfan

  stroups wrote: I would love for Noel Devine to get his name in the mix this year

  I thnk he will. More deserving then Mallett, thats for sure.
• KnightRyder

  

  vball10set wrote: right now, I think Pryor's name has every right to be mentioned in the same sentence as "Heisman hopefuls"..why not?

  because he couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boat.
• ytownfootball

  

  KnightRyder wrote:

  vball10set wrote: right now, I think Pryor's name has every right to be mentioned in the same sentence as "Heisman hopefuls"..why not?

  because he couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boat.

  lol...that's just not true...and he was hampered by injury the last four gams of the season before the Rose Bowl...and the dude runs like a damn gazelle...
  
  He has every right to be mentioned.
  
  Will he win it?
  
  Who the hell knows. But he's just as likely as any one at this point.
• devil1197

  KnightRyder wrote:

  vball10set wrote: right now, I think Pryor's name has every right to be mentioned in the same sentence as "Heisman hopefuls"..why not?

  because he couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boat.

  I think you are forgetting about his performance late in the season with an injured knee.
  
  You should have learned from the Rose Bowl thread. You doubted him once and he proved you heavily wrong.
• KnightRyder

  

  i doubted him all season and his final ranking proved me right. he just cant throw a lick. it took him 13 games to accomplish what christian ponder did in nine games. and i dont see ponders name thrown around in any heisman debate. and as far the rose bowl , one game doesnt make a career. if that was the case Tim Biakabutuka would have won the heisman on his performance against the buckeyes. and the knee injury is merely a excuse for his sub par performance. you guys make me laugh , deep down you know pryor hasnt lived up to the hype when he came out of high school. i mean honestly there was only 61 qb's in college football ranked higher than pryor last season. and you want to throw him in the heisman watch?
• devil1197

  KnightRyder wrote: i doubted him all season and his final ranking proved me right. he just cant throw a lick. it took him 13 games to accomplish what christian ponder did in nine games. and i dont see ponders name thrown around in any heisman debate. and as far the rose bowl , one game doesnt make a career. if that was the case Tim Biakabutuka would have won the heisman on his performance against the buckeyes. and the knee injury is merely a excuse for his sub par performance. you guys make me laugh , deep down you know pryor hasnt lived up to the hype when he came out of high school. i mean honestly there was only 61 qb's in college football ranked higher than pryor last season. and you want to throw him in the heisman watch?

  Its not just his passing numbers. Also, Ponder may have only played 9 games and threw 330 passes to Pryor's 295 attempts in 13 games. So in theory Ponder should have more yards passing in lesser games when he throws it more per game. Pryor 25 total TD's to Ponders 16, Ponder would have needed to average 2.25 TD's per game in his final 4 outing to tie Pryor. Ponder averaged 1.8 TD's per game so he would have fell short on averages. So I can really see how Pryor needed more games lol.
  
  Pryor had Ponder beat by over 600 yards rushing and 5 TD's, all while having a bum knee which wasn't used as an excuse. Pryor knew he was injured and went out to put up over 300+ yards of total offense against Oregon.
  
  Pryor as a starter is 19-3 as a starter, 2 Big Ten Titles, 1 BCS bowl victory, 1 Rose Bowl MVP. He will be leading the Buckeyes into 2010 ranked #1-2 and will be 100% healthy.
  
  I'd say he is doing alright so far considering he had no prior QB coaching in HS before coming to OSU. He has a legit chance to add a National Title, two Big Ten titles, and multiple personal awards before his final game as a Buckeye.
• dat dude

  KnightRyder wrote: i doubted him all season and his final ranking proved me right. he just cant throw a lick. it took him 13 games to accomplish what christian ponder did in nine games. and i dont see ponders name thrown around in any heisman debate. and as far the rose bowl , one game doesnt make a career. if that was the case Tim Biakabutuka would have won the heisman on his performance against the buckeyes. and the knee injury is merely a excuse for his sub par performance. you guys make me laugh , deep down you know pryor hasnt lived up to the hype when he came out of high school. i mean honestly there was only 61 qb's in college football ranked higher than pryor last season. and you want to throw him in the heisman watch?

  Honestly, you saying he has no shot at the Heisman is a great indication that he will be in the running this fall. I think most remember your terrible predictions last year on the Rose Bowl thread. You were proven to be an idiot then and it looks like nothing has changed.
• detectivegibbles

  Gibby = dumbass
• KnightRyder

  

  devil1197 wrote:

  KnightRyder wrote: i doubted him all season and his final ranking proved me right. he just cant throw a lick. it took him 13 games to accomplish what christian ponder did in nine games. and i dont see ponders name thrown around in any heisman debate. and as far the rose bowl , one game doesnt make a career. if that was the case Tim Biakabutuka would have won the heisman on his performance against the buckeyes. and the knee injury is merely a excuse for his sub par performance. you guys make me laugh , deep down you know pryor hasnt lived up to the hype when he came out of high school. i mean honestly there was only 61 qb's in college football ranked higher than pryor last season. and you want to throw him in the heisman watch?

  
  
  Its not just his passing numbers. Also, Ponder may have only played 9 games and threw 330 passes to Pryor's 295 attempts in 13 games. So in theory Ponder should have more yards passing in lesser games when he throws it more per game. Pryor 25 total TD's to Ponders 16, Ponder would have needed to average 2.25 TD's per game in his final 4 outing to tie Pryor. Ponder averaged 1.8 TD's per game so he would have fell short on averages. So I can really see how Pryor needed more games lol.
  
  Pryor had Ponder beat by over 600 yards rushing and 5 TD's, all while having a bum knee which wasn't used as an excuse. Pryor knew he was injured and went out to put up over 300+ yards of total offense against Oregon.
  
  Pryor as a starter is 19-3 as a starter, 2 Big Ten Titles, 1 BCS bowl victory, 1 Rose Bowl MVP. He will be leading the Buckeyes into 2010 ranked #1-2 and will be 100% healthy.
  
  I'd say he is doing alright so far considering he had no prior QB coaching in HS before coming to OSU. He has a legit chance to add a National Title, two Big Ten titles, and multiple personal awards before his final game as a Buckeye.

  
  
  your stats are interesting but one sided and they dont tell the story , sure ponder throws the ball the more. but who in there right mind would want pryor throwing as many passes as ponder. thats is evident in the ints . ponder threw the ball more but had less ints. another thing pryor did gain way more yds running the ball , probably because he couldnt recognize coverages and had to pull it down and go. and as far as winning the big ten thats a notch upfrom winning the mac. a secondary conference that touts one national champion in the last 30 years. and really what are his chances of winning a national championship? if he has to play against a sec champion , well we know what happens then.
• KnightRyder

  

  dat dude wrote:

  KnightRyder wrote: i doubted him all season and his final ranking proved me right. he just cant throw a lick. it took him 13 games to accomplish what christian ponder did in nine games. and i dont see ponders name thrown around in any heisman debate. and as far the rose bowl , one game doesnt make a career. if that was the case Tim Biakabutuka would have won the heisman on his performance against the buckeyes. and the knee injury is merely a excuse for his sub par performance. you guys make me laugh , deep down you know pryor hasnt lived up to the hype when he came out of high school. i mean honestly there was only 61 qb's in college football ranked higher than pryor last season. and you want to throw him in the heisman watch?

  Honestly, you saying he has no shot at the Heisman is a great indication that he will be in the running this fall. I think most remember your terrible predictions last year on the Rose Bowl thread. You were proven to be an idiot then and it looks like nothing has changed.

  i also predicted osu would lose at home to usc. did you forget that one?
• Red_Skin_Pride

  

  KnightRyder wrote:

  devil1197 wrote:

  KnightRyder wrote: i doubted him all season and his final ranking proved me right. he just cant throw a lick. it took him 13 games to accomplish what christian ponder did in nine games. and i dont see ponders name thrown around in any heisman debate. and as far the rose bowl , one game doesnt make a career. if that was the case Tim Biakabutuka would have won the heisman on his performance against the buckeyes. and the knee injury is merely a excuse for his sub par performance. you guys make me laugh , deep down you know pryor hasnt lived up to the hype when he came out of high school. i mean honestly there was only 61 qb's in college football ranked higher than pryor last season. and you want to throw him in the heisman watch?

  
  
  Its not just his passing numbers. Also, Ponder may have only played 9 games and threw 330 passes to Pryor's 295 attempts in 13 games. So in theory Ponder should have more yards passing in lesser games when he throws it more per game. Pryor 25 total TD's to Ponders 16, Ponder would have needed to average 2.25 TD's per game in his final 4 outing to tie Pryor. Ponder averaged 1.8 TD's per game so he would have fell short on averages. So I can really see how Pryor needed more games lol.
  
  Pryor had Ponder beat by over 600 yards rushing and 5 TD's, all while having a bum knee which wasn't used as an excuse. Pryor knew he was injured and went out to put up over 300+ yards of total offense against Oregon.
  
  Pryor as a starter is 19-3 as a starter, 2 Big Ten Titles, 1 BCS bowl victory, 1 Rose Bowl MVP. He will be leading the Buckeyes into 2010 ranked #1-2 and will be 100% healthy.
  
  I'd say he is doing alright so far considering he had no prior QB coaching in HS before coming to OSU. He has a legit chance to add a National Title, two Big Ten titles, and multiple personal awards before his final game as a Buckeye.

  
  
  your stats are interesting but one sided and they dont tell the story , sure ponder throws the ball the more. but who in there right mind would want pryor throwing as many passes as ponder. thats is evident in the ints . ponder threw the ball more but had less ints. another thing pryor did gain way more yds running the ball , probably because he couldnt recognize coverages and had to pull it down and go. and as far as winning the big ten thats a notch upfrom winning the mac. a secondary conference that touts one national champion in the last 30 years. and really what are his chances of winning a national championship? if he has to play against a sec champion , well we know what happens then.

  Haha your post is so full of holes Im amazed it's still standing...First and foremost, Michigan won the NC in 1997, and OSU won it in 2002, but nice try idiot. Let me guess, SEC education at its finest?
  
  And secondly, no WE DON'T KNOW what happens when Pryor plays an SEC champion, seeing how he's never played an SEC champion in bowl game. Nice homer answer, but you have no facts to back it up, as again, there are no games to use as facts.
  
  And it's nice that you accuse other people of telling "one side of the story" in the Pryor vs. Ponder debate, but you skim over the MOST obvious fact that contributed to Florida state throwing so much last year is the fact that they HAD NO RUNNING GAME. You asked "who the hell would want Pryor throwing as much as Ponder?" well I ask you, who the hell would want FSU's line to have to "block" (and I use that term loosely) as many times a game as OSU's line blocked for Saine/Herron/Hall? In a previous post you cited Pryor's low numbers in the last 4 regular season games of the year...did you forget that OSU averaged almost 225 yards per game on the ground in those same 4 games? Not to mention that they won 3 out of the 4 comfortably? Why WOULD they pass when they don't have to dumbass? Of course FSU and Ponder throw it more than OSU and Pryor did last year, because FSU had ZERO BALANCE. Look no further for proof of that than their record. One dimensional teams DONT have successful seasons in CFB. If they did, Houston and Hawaii would be NC contenders every year. Which also makes your claim of Pryor not "being able to hit water if he fell out of a boat" completely false. If OSU can't pass, there's nothing for defenses to focus on but stopping their run game. Obviously at 225 per game (and oh yeah, right at 200 in the rose bowl) over their last 4-5 games, that was not the case. You don't win 11 games, a major conference championship, and the Rose bowl with a one-dimensional offense.
  
  And YOU are the kind of people who make me laugh, because you're finally starting to see, like all of us are, Pryor growing into the kind of playmaker he was touted to be coming in, and you're last desperate attempt to cling to the delusion that you have that he'll "never be any good". It's comical at best, but then again denial always is. No one is the frontrunner over Ingram, but to discredit the QB of team that's won 5 big 10 titles in row, a Rose bowl, and who finished in the top 5 last year, with basically ALL of his offensive weapons back this year as not even close to being a contender is completely asinine.
  
  But I'm sure you've got another genius response that makes even less sense than the last one.
• KnightRyder

  

  i hate to tell you this but in 1997 nebraska won the national championship. michigan got the AP poll which everyone knows not mean squat. yea osu averaged big numbers once they got into the soft big ten schedule. most of what you said was nonsense and shows you are nothin but a osu homer. but this really stood out "You don't win 11 games, a major conference championship, and the Rose bowl with a one-dimensional offense".
  you dont huh? well if you remember florida state won 2 national title and they were a one dimensional offense. and how about nebraska 94 , 95 and 97. tell me they werent a one dimensional offense.
• OhioStatePride2003

  KnightRyder wrote: i hate to tell you this but in 1997 nebraska won the national championship. michigan got the AP poll which everyone knows not mean squat. yea osu averaged big numbers once they got into the soft big ten schedule. most of what you said was nonsense and shows you are nothin but a osu homer. but this really stood out "You don't win 11 games, a major conference championship, and the Rose bowl with a one-dimensional offense".
  you dont huh? well if you remember florida state won 2 national title and they were a one dimensional offense. and how about nebraska 94 , 95 and 97. tell me they werent a one dimensional offense.

  Michigan is recognized as a Co-National Champion in '97. Look it up, anywhere, and nothing will tell you any different. Also, Penn State won the National Title back in '86 and '82.
  
  Why you would compare a QB for Florida State, to a QB at Ohio State, is beyond me. Are there better QBs out there than Pryor? Of course. But one of the perks of being the quarterback at a school like Ohio State, is that you're already in the spot light. Ponder would probably be considered for a Heisman being that he plays for FSU - but to be frank, FSU sucks ass. They haven't done anything worth noting in a long time. Kellen Moore, QB at Boise State probably put up better passing numbers than both Pryor and Ponder, but you only heard a grumble when it came to Moore and the Heisman.
  
  The point is, who the hell cares? If Pryor had his pick of a Heisman or another Big Ten Championship and a National Championship, the Heisman wouldn't mean shit. Ponder, however, would LOVE to be even mentioned as a Heisman hopeful, but that'll never happen.
• KnightRyder

  

  was penn state a member of the big ten in 82 and 86?
• Red_Skin_Pride

  

  KnightRyder wrote: i hate to tell you this but in 1997 nebraska won the national championship. michigan got the AP poll which everyone knows not mean squat. yea osu averaged big numbers once they got into the soft big ten schedule. most of what you said was nonsense and shows you are nothin but a osu homer. but this really stood out "You don't win 11 games, a major conference championship, and the Rose bowl with a one-dimensional offense".
  you dont huh? well if you remember florida state won 2 national title and they were a one dimensional offense. and how about nebraska 94 , 95 and 97. tell me they werent a one dimensional offense.

  Well before the BCS did away with that problem, there were split National champions all the time, so maybe to you they don't mean squat, but the AP poll was and is still recognized as the top media poll in the country. Those rankings you and I and every other fan goes by to start the season and end the season? AP poll.
  
  And secondly, Nebraska and Tommie Frazier were far from one-dimensional. Tommie Frazier finished with over 4,000 yards passing in his career with 47 TD's and 18 INT's. His senior year, the year he won the heisman, he completed nearly 60% of his passes for 1,500 hards and 17 TD's (4 int). And again, with Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips in the backfield, why would they NEED to throw all that much?
  
  And Florida State? that doesn't even deserve a response..They had Charlie Ward when they won their first NC in 1993, who threw for over 3,000 yards that year, and Warrick Dunn was their RB, who STILL holds the all-time rushing mark at FSU...so I have no idea where you're going with that. Again, you DONT WIN CONFERENCES, BCS BOWL GAMES AND NAT'l TITLES BEING ONE DIMENSIONAL. Ask Cincy.
• georgemc80

  ^^^^
  that is what we call an owning.....
• KnightRyder

  

  Red_Skin_Pride wrote:

  KnightRyder wrote: i hate to tell you this but in 1997 nebraska won the national championship. michigan got the AP poll which everyone knows not mean squat. yea osu averaged big numbers once they got into the soft big ten schedule. most of what you said was nonsense and shows you are nothin but a osu homer. but this really stood out "You don't win 11 games, a major conference championship, and the Rose bowl with a one-dimensional offense".
  you dont huh? well if you remember florida state won 2 national title and they were a one dimensional offense. and how about nebraska 94 , 95 and 97. tell me they werent a one dimensional offense.

  Well before the BCS did away with that problem, there were split National champions all the time, so maybe to you they don't mean squat, but the AP poll was and is still recognized as the top media poll in the country. Those rankings you and I and every other fan goes by to start the season and end the season? AP poll.
  
  And secondly, Nebraska and Tommie Frazier were far from one-dimensional. Tommie Frazier finished with over 4,000 yards passing in his career with 47 TD's and 18 INT's. His senior year, the year he won the heisman, he completed nearly 60% of his passes for 1,500 hards and 17 TD's (4 int). And again, with Ahman Green and Lawrence Phillips in the backfield, why would they NEED to throw all that much?
  
  And Florida State? that doesn't even deserve a response..They had Charlie Ward when they won their first NC in 1993, who threw for over 3,000 yards that year, and Warrick Dunn was their RB, who STILL holds the all-time rushing mark at FSU...so I have no idea where you're going with that. Again, you DONT WIN CONFERENCES, BCS BOWL GAMES AND NAT'l TITLES BEING ONE DIMENSIONAL. Ask Cincy.

  frazier threw for 1500 yds, thats a average of less than 150 yds a game, and for a team that average around 400 yds of offense a game that show they were one dimensional. and warrick dunn didnt play on the florida state teams that won national titles in 93 and 99 his career spaned 94 , 95, 96, 97. so no warrick dunn wasnt their running back at that time. i dont have a clue where you got that. get your facts in order. nebraska relied heavy on the run , and florida state relied on the pass . both teams were one dimensional. and both won national championships.
• TheMightyGators

  dat dude wrote:

  KnightRyder wrote: i doubted him all season and his final ranking proved me right. he just cant throw a lick. it took him 13 games to accomplish what christian ponder did in nine games. and i dont see ponders name thrown around in any heisman debate. and as far the rose bowl , one game doesnt make a career. if that was the case Tim Biakabutuka would have won the heisman on his performance against the buckeyes. and the knee injury is merely a excuse for his sub par performance. you guys make me laugh , deep down you know pryor hasnt lived up to the hype when he came out of high school. i mean honestly there was only 61 qb's in college football ranked higher than pryor last season. and you want to throw him in the heisman watch?

  Honestly, you saying he has no shot at the Heisman is a great indication that he will be in the running this fall. I think most remember your terrible predictions last year on the Rose Bowl thread. You were proven to be an idiot then and it looks like nothing has changed.

  does that make every OSU fan an idiot after predictions in the Purdue game?
• Automatik

  

  People are still saying Pryor can't throw? Do you even WATCH THE GAMES?!
  
  Pryor's issue never was that he couldn't throw. It was his inconsistency, footwork, and decision making. He isn't regressing, which is all I ask for.