From atheist to believer....from believer to atheist
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cruiser_96
I might say towards faith being the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Much like this gravity thing mentioned. I can't see gravity, but I can see the effects of it. -
sleeper
And you can measure gravity. Can you measure faith? No you can't. Just because you alone can feel the effects does not make them reality. If you think so, seek medical attention.cruiser_96;1159667 wrote:I might say towards faith being the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Much like this gravity thing mentioned. I can't see gravity, but I can see the effects of it. -
cruiser_96
So, no?
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fish82
If showing you to be an amazingly hypocritical dufus is "helping you," then yeah. I'm Mr. Helper.sleeper;1159651 wrote:You're only helping me. Faith proves nothing, its irrelevant. If you ever find yourself using faith to justify an internal belief, you have to recognize that it is irrelevant and it doesn't matter.
Why do you keep humping the "faith proves nothing" schtick, when everybody on the farking thread has agreed with you time and time again? You're starting to look like a cymbal monkey...just banging and screaming about nothing. -
cruiser_96
"Mr. Helper"! That just sparked one good memory...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bfgrj_62-Y
Thanks, fish. -
sleeper
It would only be hypocritical if I was being serious. No I don't have a link that all churches operate the same, it should be common sense. They are for profit business disguised as non-profits so they don't have to pay taxes. It's fraud to the rational unbiased mind, but we all know that isn't your typical believer.fish82;1159686 wrote:If showing you to be an amazingly hypocritical dufus is "helping you," then yeah. I'm Mr. Helper.
Why do you keep humping the "faith proves nothing" schtick, when everybody on the farking thread has agreed with you time and time again? You're starting to look like a cymbal monkey...just banging and screaming about nothing. -
cruiser_96
So, no?
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fish82
Why should it be "common sense?" Now you're just talking in circles.sleeper;1159710 wrote:It would only be hypocritical if I was being serious. No I don't have a link that all churches operate the same, it should be common sense. They are for profit business disguised as non-profits so they don't have to pay taxes. It's fraud to the rational unbiased mind, but we all know that isn't your typical believer. -
sleeper
Well they aren't doing mass for free...fish82;1159742 wrote:Why should it be "common sense?" Now you're just talking in circles.
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Con_Alma
Lol. All churches do not operate the same. There are churches that believe that it is poor stewardship to sit on money that has been offered and that it should be put in ot the community. There are churches that believe rather than building buildings to honor God they should use their assets to feed those in need and help those without.sleeper;1159710 wrote:It would only be hypocritical if I was being serious. No I don't have a link that all churches operate the same, it should be common sense. They are for profit business disguised as non-profits so they don't have to pay taxes. It's fraud to the rational unbiased mind, but we all know that isn't your typical believer.
There's a church in Lorain, Ohio I think that doesn't even have pews because the money is better used in the inner city for those who have not sought help but need it. -
Con_Alma
They would gladly do it for free for you.sleeper;1159762 wrote:Well they aren't doing mass for free...
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sleeper
That's called marketing. It's a cost churches account for on their balance sheet. They know by being there your chances of getting hoodwinked increase 10 fold and you will become a paying customer soon enough.Con_Alma;1159784 wrote:They would gladly do it for free for you.
Scientology is very similar and there are few that don't think its a cult. -
sleeper
Why buy pews when you can funnel the money into your own pockets?Con_Alma;1159783 wrote:Lol. All churches do not operate the same. There are churches that believe that it is poor stewardship to sit on money that has been offered and that it should be put in ot the community. There are churches that believe rather than building buildings to honor God they should use their assets to feed those in need and help those without.
There's a church in Lorain, Ohio I think that doesn't even have pews because the money is better used in the inner city for those who have not sought help but need it. -
Con_Alma
I was not aware it was marketed at all. Not being a Catholic I thank you for letting me know.sleeper;1159786 wrote:That's called marketing. It's a cost churches account for on their balance sheet. They know by being there your chances of getting hoodwinked increase 10 fold and you will become a paying customer soon enough.
Scientology is very similar and there are few that don't think its a cult. -
Con_Alma
I don't know but then again that's not what we saw when we were there. It's a Spanish speaking inner city church.sleeper;1159788 wrote:Why buy pews when you can funnel the money into your own pockets? -
sleeper
Even better. Why hire legal priests? Just bring in illegal aliens from Mexico. You can pay them less and they won't complain in English so no one will care.Con_Alma;1159793 wrote:I don't know but then again that's not what we saw when we were there. It's a Spanish speaking inner city church. -
wkfan
he tends to do that when cornered, or asked for proof of his claims.fish82;1159742 wrote:Why should it be "common sense?" Now you're just talking in circles.
For Sleeper, 'His Opinion' = 'Common Sense' -
sleeper
Right. I guess I need links to verify that gravity exists or that water is wet.wkfan;1159803 wrote:he tends to do that when cornered, or asked for proof of his claims.
For Sleeper, 'His Opinion' = 'Common Sense'
Or I could just use the BS "faith" crap against the blinded believers. -
cruiser_96
That works. Thanks.wkfan;1159803 wrote:he tends to do that when cornered, or asked for proof of his claims.
For Sleeper, 'His Opinion' = 'Common Sense' -
Con_Alma
????.sleeper;1159798 wrote:Even better. Why hire legal priests? Just bring in illegal aliens from Mexico. You can pay them less and they won't complain in English so no one will care.
They aren't Mexicans. Lol They aren't even from Mexican decent. -
Con_Alma
I thought it was Sleeper Sense. Hmmm.wkfan;1159803 wrote:he tends to do that when cornered, or asked for proof of his claims.
For Sleeper, 'His Opinion' = 'Common Sense' -
sleeper
That lowers the likelihood the church is selling dope on the side then.Con_Alma;1159809 wrote:????.
They aren't Mexicans. Lol They aren't even from Mexican decent. -
Con_Alma
Is that good in your mind?sleeper;1159825 wrote:That lowers the likelihood the church is selling dope on the side then.
It doesn't matter to me whether they would or not. -
sleeper
Well I can't see how marketing towards the poor would yield enough revenue for the religion. I wouldn't blame them for selling dope; if they got caught they wouldn't have to adhere to the rules of this country and would just be moved to different districts.Con_Alma;1159832 wrote:Is that good in your mind?
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Con_Alma
Good thing because I don't think their doctrine suggests that they do so.sleeper;1159835 wrote:Well I can't see how marketing towards the poor would yield enough revenue for the religion....