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Suspect with crowbar shot by police

  • Pick6
    Gblock;1067338 wrote:ur saying they missed from 5 feet away?
    well it is a pistol and they are cops..
  • Jughead
    WebFire;1065030 wrote:Curious what people here think of this.
    The guy in the video said it best. "They murked that motherfucker."
  • Glory Days
    Gblock;1067338 wrote:ur saying they missed from 5 feet away?
    you ever fired a gun under stress on a moving target?
  • Belly35
    Gblock;1067338 wrote:ur saying they missed from 5 feet away?
    Maybe the first or second round hit center mas but it is very likely that some of the rounds missed or was not fatal wounds.

    I've seen at the range guy miss the stationary target from 15 feet and some even miss the 24x36 cardboard supporting the target
  • jmog
    Thinthickbigred;1067066 wrote:All jokes aside . This was totally over excessive force period . Those cops wernt worth there salt . Again they had a dog . they had mace ,the perp was outside away from people WTF How can anybody with any compassion what so ever condone that killing . Rodney King got beaten down severly after going on a high speed chase and was high as a kite on PCP and it was on cameras . Those cops got punished like they did and riots ensued . They killed this guy and all they did was misfire on a taeser one time . They had multiple other choices and nobody deserves to die because they smash a store up with a crowbar . Ill tell you one thing I am for . How about when someone is convicted of something like the perp did ,they get flogged or whipped .
    You can't be serious, mace? They just tazer'd the criminal and he kept coming at them, what would mace help?
  • Gblock
    Glory Days;1067400 wrote:you ever fired a gun under stress on a moving target?
    he wasnt really moving all that much and he might have been less than 5 feet away..if ur saying he was further than 5 feet was he really a threat?
  • SnotBubbles
    sej;1067162 wrote:Play the video again. The subject is still standing and not neutralized after the first 5 shots. If it only takes 1 shot, Snot, why didn't he drop after the first shot? You probably also thought the exotic animals that had to be killed in Zanesville could have all been tranquilized.

    If I'm a gun owning Nazi Pig/Nazi Pig lover, I'm ok with that. You're pretty off in thinking that I'm of the conservative, right wing ilk though.
    He stumbling backwards after 1 shot. At least 2 of the shots from the first officer were fired after he was down or falling down. All 5 from officer 2 were while he was on the ground. And an officer rarely misses from point blank range...at least 4 of those first 5 hit the perp.

    As for the exotic animal case, I agreed with what they did 100%. Dangerous, wild animals on the prowl in America is not a good thing. Do what you have to do. But I'm curious, how does that relate to this discussion? It doesn't. I've already stated on here that I'm in favor of deadly force.....when the situation calls for it. This situation didn't (IMO) and certainly didn't require the excess force by the second officer.

    And SEJ, I didn't call names (that was you and thinthickbigred), don't accuse me of that. I respect law enforcement in all aspects and come from a family with a deep tradition in law enforcement. It hasn't missed a generation in the last 5...and many generations have multiples. However, I want to see officers do the right thing and perform their jobs as they are trained. It's just my opinion, that in this instance, they did not.
  • FatHobbit
    SnotBubbles;1066850 wrote:What would you be doing after taking 5 shots to the chest from point blank range?

    I wouldn't be dumb enough to raise a crowbar at armed cops.
    SnotBubbles;1066850 wrote:I'm guessing he wasn't on the phone talking to his girlfriend or reaching in his backpack for a firearm.
    He probably wasn't on the phone, but you can't see in the video what he was doing with his hands. He could have been reaching inside his coat. Hell, he could have pulled out a gun. (I don't think he did, but we can't see.)
  • queencitybuckeye
    Gblock;1067410 wrote:he wasnt really moving all that much and he might have been less than 5 feet away..if ur saying he was further than 5 feet was he really a threat?
    Inside 20 feet, I'll bust your head with a crowbar before you get off a shot.
  • SnotBubbles
    FatHobbit;1067473 wrote:I wouldn't be dumb enough to raise a crowbar at armed cops.



    He probably wasn't on the phone, but you can't see in the video what he was doing with his hands. He could have been reaching inside his coat. Hell, he could have pulled out a gun. (I don't think he did, but we can't see.)
    Nah...I'm guessing he was busy dying with 8-10 slugs in his chest. ;)
  • SnotBubbles
    queencitybuckeye;1067485 wrote:Inside 20 feet, I'll bust your head with a crowbar before you get off a shot.
    No way...not if the gun is already drawn.
  • Glory Days
    Gblock;1067410 wrote:he wasnt really moving all that much and he might have been less than 5 feet away..if ur saying he was further than 5 feet was he really a threat?
    queencitybuckeye;1067485 wrote:Inside 20 feet, I'll bust your head with a crowbar before you get off a shot.
    This. even if you did get a shot off and hit you, unless its between your eyes, its not gonna put you down right away.
    SnotBubbles;1067425 wrote:And an officer rarely misses from point blank range

    you obviously know nothing about officer involved shootings.
  • Gblock
    omg its a crow bar not a ninja sword...
  • Belly35
    21 feet rule

    http://www.policeone.com/edged-weapons/articles/102828-Edged-Weapon-Defense-Is-or-was-the-21-foot-rule-valid-Part-1/
  • Devils Advocate
    You guys are getting caught up in sematics.

    They had the justification for shooting this guy.

    If there was only one shot fired directly to the brain pan, The end result is that he is dead.

    The rest of the bullets were inconsequential.

    Would you be happy if they charged them with gross abuse of a corpse?
  • Thinthickbigred
    Glory Days;1067086 wrote:how far and how long do you let the guy walk around freely? and outside away from people? the people with the camera were like 75-100ft away.
    I saw the tape and no other people were around the guy . You yell freeze atleast a couple of times drop it . You mace him and or you let the dog on him . those cops I mean PIGS were not in danger unless they put thereselves in it . They were out of reach and ten effing shots . If the guy had a gun fine im ok with it but he didnt . Move to China or someplace how about Maylasia or Saudi Arabi
  • Thinthickbigred
    WebFire;1067090 wrote:King didn't have a lethal weapon. Derp.
    No but he was on PCP and he did drive well over 100 miles an hour and caused considerable stress on the officers " Road Rage" Your adrenelin gets so jacked when in those circumstances they could use that as an excuse . Also when somebody is on PCP they become twice as strong as a normal person
  • WebFire
    Thinthickbigred;1067628 wrote:No but he was on PCP and he did drive well over 100 miles an hour and caused considerable stress on the officers " Road Rage" Your adrenelin gets so jacked when in those circumstances they could use that as an excuse . Also when somebody is on PCP they become twice as strong as a normal person
    So they'd be quite dangerous with a crowbar! I don't even know what your argument is here.
  • Glory Days
    Thinthickbigred;1067621 wrote:I saw the tape and no other people were around the guy . You yell freeze atleast a couple of times drop it . You mace him and or you let the dog on him . those cops I mean PIGS were not in danger unless they put thereselves in it . They were out of reach and ten effing shots . If the guy had a gun fine im ok with it but he didnt . Move to China or someplace how about Maylasia or Saudi Arabi
    so since no one was in danger, the cops just should have walked away?
  • Glory Days
    Gblock;1067507 wrote:omg its a crow bar not a ninja sword...
    both are deadly weapons.
  • SportsAndLady
    queencitybuckeye;1067485 wrote:Inside 20 feet, I'll bust your head with a crowbar before you get off a shot.
    Wait...if I have a gun, and you have a crowbar, and you're standing 19 feet away from me. You're saying you'd bust my head in before I even got off a shot?
  • Glory Days
    SportsAndLady;1067675 wrote:Wait...if I have a gun, and you have a crowbar, and you're standing 19 feet away from me. You're saying you'd bust my head in before I even got off a shot?
    takes about 1.5 seconds to cover that distance. yes your skull would be caved in before you put down the guy with the crow bar.
  • Glory Days
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  • Heretic
    Glory Days;1067400 wrote:you ever fired a gun under stress on a moving target?
    Call of Duty, bro! Same thing. /sarcasm


    I mean, let's be serious. A couple people here seem to think the proper way to handle things should have been for it to be a one-on-one bare-knuckle brawl with the winner taking all. Dude had a blunt object as a weapon and seemed whacked out. Maybe things could have wound up better, but I'd rather have the officer(s) err on the side of caution and blast the trash away instead of risking injury to themselves or others in the area.
  • DeyDurkie5
    i think they should've tasered him in the nuts and then pissed on his face