Suspect with crowbar shot by police

• ytownfootball

  

  Am I the only one who thinks that cro bar looks more like a mop handle? That appears to be the most worthless fucking cro bar on teh interwebs.
• jmog

  SnotBubbles;1065427 wrote:It didn't happen and wasn't close to happening. The police acted too swiftly and lethally. If the guy had already hurt someone (not something) or was an immediate threat to someone...it would be different. He was pissed off and breaking windows. Give him his space, calm him down....or release the police dog that is standing there and trained to subdue a suspect. You don't ****ing shoot him because he raised a crowbar towards you.

  You can't be serious...
• SnotBubbles

  

  jmog;1065443 wrote:You can't be serious...

  It's a crowbar, not a rocket launcher.
• Fly4Fun

  

  SnotBubbles;1065427 wrote:It didn't happen and wasn't close to happening. The police acted too swiftly and lethally. If the guy had already hurt someone (not something) or was an immediate threat to someone...it would be different. He was pissed off and breaking windows. Give him his space, calm him down....or release the police dog that is standing there and trained to subdue a suspect. You don't fucking shoot him because he raised a crowbar towards you.

  The guy wasn't just pissed off, he was most likely high out of his mind. Sorry, but people don't take a taser to the face and just keep moving like nothing happened.
  
  The guy rippe the taser strings out of his face, brought he metal object back ready to swing and started walking towards the cop. The cop shouldn't have to let the guy get with in 1 foot before shooting. But a large metal object can be a lethal weapon when wielded in such a manner.
• jmog

  SnotBubbles;1065452 wrote:It's a crowbar, not a rocket launcher.

  Honest question, if the perp struck a cop in the head with a crowbar, can it kill the cop?
  
  If your answer is yes, then the shooting was valid.
  
  If your answer is no, then you are lying.
• ytownfootball

  

  I'm actually thinking the taser prongs hit his hoodie hood personally.
• Belly35

  

  SnotBubbles;1065452 wrote:It's a crowbar, not a rocket launcher.

  If I had a crowbar, you&#8217;d wish you had a rocket launcher .. mofo :laugh:</SPAN>
• gut

  ytownfootball;1065434 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that cro bar looks more like a mop handle?

  Yes, you're the only one. Nevertheless, don't bring a mop to a gunfight.
• SnotBubbles

  

  jmog;1065467 wrote:Honest question, if the perp struck a cop in the head with a crowbar, can it kill the cop?
  
  If your answer is yes, then the shooting was valid.
  
  If your answer is no, then you are lying.

  Sure, it could. But for one, who's going to take a crowbar to the head without moving in defense? And he didn't swing, he raised it...turned...and then got blasted.
  
  Many things could kill arresting officers, on just about any type of arrest.
  
  I'm not saying this guy isn't an idiot. I'm not saying he wouldn't have hurt someone. All I'm saying is that the police acted too quickly, lethally and irresponsibly, and they will pay for it with their jobs and a lawsuit.
• Thinthickbigred

  WebFire;1065030 wrote:Curious what people here think of this. The guy gets tasered in the face and doesn't even flinch. He appears to turn around to take a swing at an officer, but then is shot multiple times.
  
  [video=youtube;bY5ioBvrYIg][/video]

  efffing pigs with guns ...... and them punks laughing about it what a effing joke .. Nazi Germany this is
• queencitybuckeye

  SnotBubbles;1065495 wrote:
  
  I'm not saying he wouldn't have hurt someone.

  
  That is the legal point where deadly force is authorized. The officers will be just fine, and they should be.
  
  Do you seriously believe a cop should have to physically defend himself against someone with a weapon before they can take him down?
  
  The police officers did not put this person's like in jeopardy, he 100% did it to himself.
• Tigerfan00

  

  Wonder what Ender Wiggins take on this would be?
• Heretic

  

  Tigerfan00;1065519 wrote:Wonder what Ender Wiggins take on this would be?

  Basically thinthick's, but with different typos and a couple arrogant "smarter than you" lines thrown in for good measure.
• gorocks99

  

  Heretic;1065524 wrote:Basically thinthick's, but with different typos and a couple arrogant "smarter than you" lines thrown in for good measure.

  Prove it. Burden of proof is on you.
• Heretic

  

  gorocks99;1065526 wrote:Prove it. Burden of proof is on you.

  Darn. I'm just a foolish child out of his league.
• DeadliestWarrior34

  

  Thinthickbigred;1065503 wrote:efffing pigs with guns ...... and them punks laughing about it what a effing joke .. Nazi Germany this is

  
• justincredible

  

  ytownfootball;1065470 wrote:I'm actually thinking the taser prongs hit his hoodie hood personally.

  This is what it looks like to me.
• Glory Days

  

  Fly4Fun;1065124 wrote:From my understanding, police aren't trained to shoot people in the legs or hands or any "specific" area to immobilize or neutralize the threat. If the person is a threat enough to warrant a shooting they are taught to shoot center mass.
  
  The shooting the legs or arm or hands, or whatever extremity is just a movie gimmick.
  
  But I could be entirely wrong about that. Anyone here that can clarify? SEJ?

  cops dont shoot to wound or kill. they shoot to stop the threat.
• said_aouita

  

  SnotBubbles;1065495 wrote:Sure, it could. But for one, who's going to take a crowbar to the head without moving in defense?

  
  Does not matter. Maybe it's an obese police officer who moves slowly. Lots of them type around.
• Gardens35

  Center Mass.
• sej

  

  As Glory Days said, you don't shoot to maim or kill. You shoot to neutralize the threat. Sometimes they live, sometimes they die. Trying to shoot the legs is dumb. You shoot center mass. It's the most efficient way to neutralize the threat, and if I'm to the point I'm using deadly force I sure as hell want that threat neutralized ASAP. In many gunfights, the accuracy rate goes way down as well.
  
  
  
  Snot, you're an idiot. That is not a personal attack. That is me stating the truth. A crowbar, swung at a person, is a deadly weapon. I realize there's no swing in the video, but the average person would likely believe that if someone raises an object in that manner they plan on swinging it. An officer who would have tried to go hand to hand with a guy swinging a crowbar is also an idiot. They tried the taser and it didn't work. I don't know that department's continuum of force, but typically that is on the same level as chemical munition (pepper spray) or blunt force objects (asp, baton, etc). Since it didn't work and the threat is still coming, the officers were absolutely justified in elevating the force they used.
  
  
  
  To further expound upon use of force, I will use the policy with which I am most familiar, and that is one from the Ohio Department of Corrections. To justify the force, the following criteria had to be met:
  
  --Opportunity--does the subject have the opportunity to harm me? In this case, yes. The subject appears to be 10 feet or less from the officer he turns towards. There is nothing in the way to stop him.
  
  --Jeopardy--is my life or the life of a third party in jeopardy of serious harm or bodily injury? Again, yes. The subject turns towards the officer behind him with a raised weapon that, if used, could cause seriously harm or bodily injury.
  
  --Ability--does the subject have the ability to cause harm? Definitely. He appears to be capable of using the object in his hand to cause harm. He can raise it, and moves about the parking lot, illustrating that he is mobile.
  
  --Preclusion--do I have any other options? In my opinion, the officer had exhausted the options. As someone mentioned, the K9 would not be useful in this situation due to the potential for injury. The taser had already not worked, I doubt they were carrying any less than lethal weapons that they could access immediately. Hand to hand/unarmed self defense is also not an option due to the weapon carried by the subject.
• tcarrier32

  

  i hate the use of deadly force, and it makes me sick to my stomach to watch this. i just don't know what exactly else they could of done in this situation. try the taser again? it looks like it bounced off the hood of his jacket, but if they miss again officer #1 is taking a crowbar to the head.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Wipe ya'self off man, you dead
• Sykotyk

  

  tcarrier32;1065845 wrote:i hate the use of deadly force, and it makes me sick to my stomach to watch this. i just don't know what exactly else they could of done in this situation. try the taser again? it looks like it bounced off the hood of his jacket, but if they miss again officer #1 is taking a crowbar to the head.

  I agree with your quote, and the statements by 'sej'.
  
  The assailant brought it upon himself. Whether you agree with an officer or not, if they're directing you to submit, you submit. You don't walk around with a crowbar or ANYTHING and disobey. If you feel you're wrongly arrested, detained, etc you take it up with the judge. That's the nature of our legal system. You don't preempt the officer trying to do his job. His job is his job.
  
  As for deadly force, it was necessary.
• jmog

  SnotBubbles;1065495 wrote:Sure, it could. But for one, who's going to take a crowbar to the head without moving in defense? And he didn't swing, he raised it...turned...and then got blasted.
  
  Many things could kill arresting officers, on just about any type of arrest.
  
  I'm not saying this guy isn't an idiot. I'm not saying he wouldn't have hurt someone. All I'm saying is that the police acted too quickly, lethally and irresponsibly, and they will pay for it with their jobs and a lawsuit.

  If the officer has to dodge a crow bar attack it could be too late. The point the man is close enough to hit and is looking like he definitely will attack (which he was) lethal force is permissable.