Marijuana: By the numbers
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Fab1b
Of course over the counter drugs have an affect on your body/brain. Think about how you may feel after you take them. Heck some even warn against operating machinery and such because guess what it impairs your judgment, reaction time, makes you drowsy, etc..... -
I Wear Pants
Which is the same thing that happens with alcohol (and pot) so why do we just slap a "hey don't drive" label on alcohol/medications and yet make using marijuana a crime?Fab1b wrote: Of course over the counter drugs have an affect on your body/brain. Think about how you may feel after you take them. Heck some even warn against operating machinery and such because guess what it impairs your judgment, reaction time, makes you drowsy, etc.....
Doesn't make sense. -
Fab1b
Yep
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SQ_Crazies
I've been in a police station to give a written statement fucked up beyond all belief and the officers all thought I was just drunk. They thought it was so funny that I was as drunk as I was (I had to ask the officer to read what it said I had to put in each box for me). But had they known that I had maybe 5 drinks the entire night they would have had a very different outlook about me.
LOL, maybe it's just me but it cracks me up every time I think about that--they were givin' me a hard time like I was "one of the guys" because I was so "drunk". -
tcarrier32
oh my... things like this really start to make me lose faith that humanity can live on. you do realize that nearly every over the counter drug has harmful side effects. EVERY FUCKING SINGLE ONE OF THEM.bamagirl wrote:
Ahh so all the brain scans that psychology students are analyzing and learning from are complete bull eh? I don't think it is all propaganda, some yes but definitely not all of it should be discounted.SQ_Crazies wrote:
Do you take any over the counter drugs? Advil? Anything?krazie45 wrote:
Big Macs aren't harmless either...it clogs up my arteries. Should they be illegal too?bamagirl wrote:
Well for starters to me harmless would be something that doesn't basically eat away at your brain like alcohol, drugs, and pot does.SQ_Crazies wrote:
Well since you put in in quotes, I'm going to ask you for your definition of harmless.bamagirl wrote:
And if you think it's "harmless" your not paying attention. I just really do not understand the point of it, or the need to legalize it. That's all.SQ_Crazies wrote: If you still have a problem with weed, you aren't paying attention.
Just speakin' the truth. You might think you're paying attention, but you aren't.
Like I said, if you have an issue, you haven't been paying attention. When I said you might think you've been paying attention, what I really meant is that you're drinking the propaganda koolaid.
I do take over the counter drugs...but I haven't seen any brain scans warning me that they are eating away at my frontal lobe. -
Glory Days
talk about not paying attention, just stop now. Average murder sentences are 16 years. in the example you gave, that would be aggravated murder, so its either a life sentence(with parole eligible after 25 years) or death. Drug possession is about a 4-5 month sentence. Drug trafficking is about a 6 year sentence. All marijuana sentences combined average about 3-4 years. and both types of cases, murders and drugs, can be knocked down. i dont know why you just picked murders.SQ_Crazies wrote: A dude shoots someone in the chest while committing a robbery, his lawyer knocks his sentence down to 6 years.
A dude gets his door kicked in and his house searched by the cops and they find a few pounds of weed, he gets 10-15.
Who is the criminal? -
SQ_Crazies
Exactly, average. Doesn't change my scenario.
And not only over the counter drugs, how many of you coffee drinkers actually know how bad coffee is for you? -
gut
Doesn't matter. I said make a good argument for legalizing it. The "can't regulate my body" is not a good argument. Try again.queencitybuckeye wrote: Saying that something is not a legitimate role of government is not the same as saying they "can't" do it, something I never claimed. The point has nothing to do with "can" and everything to do with "should", or in this case, "should not". -
I Wear Pants
He never said the dude that got shot died.Glory Days wrote:
talk about not paying attention, just stop now. Average murder sentences are 16 years. in the example you gave, that would be aggravated murder, so its either a life sentence(with parole eligible after 25 years) or death. Drug possession is about a 4-5 month sentence. Drug trafficking is about a 6 year sentence. All marijuana sentences combined average about 3-4 years. and both types of cases, murders and drugs, can be knocked down. i dont know why you just picked murders.SQ_Crazies wrote: A dude shoots someone in the chest while committing a robbery, his lawyer knocks his sentence down to 6 years.
A dude gets his door kicked in and his house searched by the cops and they find a few pounds of weed, he gets 10-15.
Who is the criminal?
What is the average sentence for attempted murder? -
I Wear Pants
The drug war doesn't work, marijuana is no more harmful (arguably less)than any number of legal substances, the social cost of prohibition is huge (DEA cost, cost of arrests, cost of imprisoning people, legal costs, loss of income by people who can't get jobs or high paying jobs after being convicted, etc), the government should not tell me what plants I should or should not put in a pipe, cigarette, or bake into a brownie.gut wrote:
Doesn't matter. I said make a good argument for legalizing it. The "can't regulate my body" is not a good argument. Try again.queencitybuckeye wrote: Saying that something is not a legitimate role of government is not the same as saying they "can't" do it, something I never claimed. The point has nothing to do with "can" and everything to do with "should", or in this case, "should not".
There are much bigger issues around than people smoking pot. Why don't we deal with those? -
SQ_Crazies
Oh, shit, I didn't realize that I didn't make that more obvious--I meant that the dude DIDN'T die in that shooting.
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sonofsam
I was on a Car vs. Motorcycle wreck about a year and a half ago... The people on the motorcycle had the green light, they were touring the Ohio River... The 19 year old whom they found out was high on weed went through the red light and killed them both.
His excuse: Someone at work gave him an advil for a headache and it interacted with the weed causing him not to pay attention. Great excuse. -
SQ_Crazies
Do you know how many accidents happen when people are stone sober?
This has always been a stupid argument. Car accidents are accidents, period. -
sonofsam
It was an accident that he smoked the weed that caused him to not pay attention and kill 2 people? LOLSQ_Crazies wrote: Do you know how many accidents happen when people are stone sober?
This has always been a stupid argument. Car accidents are accidents, period. -
SQ_Crazies
Um...no? Over your head because you've bought into what the man has told you about weed. The weed didn't cause him to kill two people.
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Fab1b
My question to you is though, there is an increased risk of that accident happening if the driver was under the influence of alcohol instead of weed but yet alcohol still legal and causes way more traffic accidents than weed does! So why is alcohol ok??sonofsam wrote:
It was an accident that he smoked the weed that caused him to not pay attention and kill 2 people? LOLSQ_Crazies wrote: Do you know how many accidents happen when people are stone sober?
This has always been a stupid argument. Car accidents are accidents, period. -
bamagirl
Obviously every thing you put in your body has an affect. So yes I am aware as is everyone else. No need for the language.tcarrier32 wrote:
oh my... things like this really start to make me lose faith that humanity can live on. you do realize that nearly every over the counter drug has harmful side effects. EVERY FUCKING SINGLE ONE OF THEM.bamagirl wrote:
Ahh so all the brain scans that psychology students are analyzing and learning from are complete bull eh? I don't think it is all propaganda, some yes but definitely not all of it should be discounted.SQ_Crazies wrote:
Do you take any over the counter drugs? Advil? Anything?krazie45 wrote:
Big Macs aren't harmless either...it clogs up my arteries. Should they be illegal too?bamagirl wrote:
Well for starters to me harmless would be something that doesn't basically eat away at your brain like alcohol, drugs, and pot does.SQ_Crazies wrote:
Well since you put in in quotes, I'm going to ask you for your definition of harmless.bamagirl wrote:
And if you think it's "harmless" your not paying attention. I just really do not understand the point of it, or the need to legalize it. That's all.SQ_Crazies wrote: If you still have a problem with weed, you aren't paying attention.
Just speakin' the truth. You might think you're paying attention, but you aren't.
Like I said, if you have an issue, you haven't been paying attention. When I said you might think you've been paying attention, what I really meant is that you're drinking the propaganda koolaid.
I do take over the counter drugs...but I haven't seen any brain scans warning me that they are eating away at my frontal lobe. -
I Wear Pants
People accidentally hit people when they are distracted by eating food, drinking things, changing the radio, talking on the phone, yelling at their passengers.sonofsam wrote: I was on a Car vs. Motorcycle wreck about a year and a half ago... The people on the motorcycle had the green light, they were touring the Ohio River... The 19 year old whom they found out was high on weed went through the red light and killed them both.
His excuse: Someone at work gave him an advil for a headache and it interacted with the weed causing him not to pay attention. Great excuse.
Except those things are all legal, they may be made illegal when driving a vehicle (like alcohol and cell phones) but they are still legal. Why is marijuana special in this regard? -
Fab1b
Bamagirl then if you are aware of the affects of prescription drugs, food, alcohol, weed, then what is the difference that weed is not ok?
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I Wear Pants
So the question remains, why is weed so special? Why can't we just have it be legal but with stipulations like you can't drive while high/smoking? This is what we do for other substances but why not marijuana?bamagirl wrote:
Obviously every thing you put in your body has an affect. So yes I am aware as is everyone else. No need to the language.tcarrier32 wrote:
oh my... things like this really start to make me lose faith that humanity can live on. you do realize that nearly every over the counter drug has harmful side effects. EVERY FUCKING SINGLE ONE OF THEM.bamagirl wrote:
Ahh so all the brain scans that psychology students are analyzing and learning from are complete bull eh? I don't think it is all propaganda, some yes but definitely not all of it should be discounted.SQ_Crazies wrote:
Do you take any over the counter drugs? Advil? Anything?krazie45 wrote:
Big Macs aren't harmless either...it clogs up my arteries. Should they be illegal too?bamagirl wrote:
Well for starters to me harmless would be something that doesn't basically eat away at your brain like alcohol, drugs, and pot does.SQ_Crazies wrote:
Well since you put in in quotes, I'm going to ask you for your definition of harmless.bamagirl wrote:
And if you think it's "harmless" your not paying attention. I just really do not understand the point of it, or the need to legalize it. That's all.SQ_Crazies wrote: If you still have a problem with weed, you aren't paying attention.
Just speakin' the truth. You might think you're paying attention, but you aren't.
Like I said, if you have an issue, you haven't been paying attention. When I said you might think you've been paying attention, what I really meant is that you're drinking the propaganda koolaid.
I do take over the counter drugs...but I haven't seen any brain scans warning me that they are eating away at my frontal lobe. -
Fab1b
Some keep asking for us to give good reasons why it should be legal and I think it has been answered through comparison to other legal substances, medicinal, plus the tax benefits and implications it could have financially. The better question remains why the hell is it still illegal??
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Sykotyk
What about Caffeine. How is it legal to lace 'soft drinks' with it? Remember why they're called 'soft drinks' in comparison to 'hard drinks'. They wanted to keep their patrons addicted and coming back and when the FDA was created most of the original substances were outlawed. Make no mistake that the tobacco industry had no intention of ever letting marijuana becoming legal. After all, who would smoke cigarettes if you could get a much better result from weed than from cigarettes.
The biggest issue with drug use is that it's a personal choice. Sometimes your choices have bad consequences. But they're yours to make. If we allow alcohol, et al, there's no reason harder drugs cannot be legal.
Remember, the government made an end-around when it came to drugs. No drug is 'illegal', they're 'controlled substances' that require a prescription, which the FDA conveniently decided some have no medicinal value, and therefore, you cannot get a perscription to use or possess them. The government never passed a law outlawing marijuana or any other drug.
Because it would be unconstitutional to pass a law making certain chemicals illegal. The reason prohibition took an amendment, rather than a bill to pass.
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sonofsam
So most of the DUI crashes that kill people are not a direct result of the alcohol causing the person to lack attention... It was the beer he dropped on the floor that caused him to go left of center and kill someone right?SQ_Crazies wrote: Um...no? Over your head because you've bought into what the man has told you about weed. The weed didn't cause him to kill two people.
Absolute bullshit.
To those who do it, I have no issue with it... Its not my thing. But to not even be at the scene of an accident where the kid was wigged out of his gord and laughing because he was so damn high and pretend to "know" that the weed didn't cause this accident is just down right stupidity. This is my suggestion. put your wife and children in a car on a two-lane road and at the other end have 50 people getting baked off their asses drive toward them. When you do that and trust your fellow dopers, I will believe your statement. Until then check yourself because the weed is doing what it does best... Make your brain frazzled. -
queencitybuckeye
If one remembers the ideals on which the country was founded, it's the only question, as asking it the other way would cause the founders to spin in their graves.Fab1b wrote: The better question remains why the hell is it still illegal??