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  • iclfan2
    O-Trap;1880997 wrote:If true, he's a terrible person, and bad things should happen to him.

    I doubt anyone disagrees with this.
    No shit.

    Missed all of isadore’s posts about hollyweird and the Seattle Mayor. Wear your partisanship on your sleeve.


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  • Spock
    isadore;1880979 wrote:gosh a ruddies, another classy conservative
    Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?utm_term=.84dbff74423c
    would you have posted this if he was a dem? you are a troll
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    Roy Moore is a wack job right wing bible thumping right wing nut. If this stuff takes him out of the race, good riddance. Doug Evans, his democratic opponent is a decent man. If will hurt nothing for this state to have a differing perspective in the congress for the first time in nearly 30 years.

    Great for Alabama.
  • superman
    If Moore did this, he is a POS. He has no place in the Senate. That doesn't make Evans a good guy.
  • SportsAndLady
    Moore should be in a church, not our government. If this ends his chance at becoming a US senator, then I’m cool with that.
  • queencitybuckeye
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1881009 wrote:Roy Moore is a wack job right wing bible thumping right wing nut. If this stuff takes him out of the race, good riddance. Doug Evans, his democratic opponent is a decent man. If will hurt nothing for this state to have a differing perspective in the congress for the first time in nearly 30 years.

    Great for Alabama.
    Agree with your first two sentences. As to the third, you do not know that, you can not know that.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    queencitybuckeye;1881015 wrote:Agree with your first two sentences. As to the third, you do not know that, you can not know that.
    You're right. That third sentence is my opinion. After having lived here for awhile, I cannot help but see how much group think there is in Alabama politics. It's nothing like anywhere else I've ever lived (Ohio, Georgia, Missouri and Indiana). The people here are great people, but they are so close minded and paranoid about opinions that differ from their own. Roy Moore is the type of guy that captures that mentality perfectly. I hope this business means he will not get elected.
  • isadore
    Spock;1881005 wrote:would you have posted this if he was a dem? you are a troll
    don't vote for Anthony Weiner.
  • isadore
    O-Trap;1880997 wrote:If true, he's a terrible person, and bad things should happen to him.

    I doubt anyone disagrees with this.
    Steve Bannon would.
  • isadore
    superman;1881003 wrote:Yeah I've seen a ton of prominent conservatives condemning him.
    Really, how about Alabama Republicans
    “Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus,” Alabama state auditor Jim Ziegler told the Washington Examiner on Thursday.
    http://time.com/5017940/roy-moore-sexual-contact-underage-jesus-defense-jim-ziegler/
    After a long pause, Alabama Bibb County Republican chairman Jerry Pow tells me he'd vote for Roy Moore even if Moore did commit a sex crime against a girl.

    "I would vote for Judge Moore because I wouldn't want to vote for Doug," he says. "
    "It was 40 years ago," Alabama Marion County GOP chair David Hall tells me. "I really don't see the relevance of it. He was 32. She was supposedly 14. She's not saying that anything happened other than they kissed."
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roy-moore-sexual-assault-alabama-gop_us_5a04c816e4b0e37d2f366dba

  • CenterBHSFan
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1881017 wrote:After having lived here for awhile, I cannot help but see how much group think there is in Alabama politics. It's nothing like anywhere else I've ever lived (Ohio, Georgia, Missouri and Indiana). The people here are great people, but they are so close minded and paranoid about opinions that differ from their own.
    As someone who lived in California for years, I can say the exact same thing about "blue states". The. Same. Exact. Thing.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    CenterBHSFan;1881022 wrote:As someone who lived in California for years, I can say the exact same thing about "blue states". The. Same. Exact. Thing.
    I don't doubt it. Regardless of whether it's a blue state or red, having a differing perspective in the political mix is a good thing. When everyone toes the same line, it never seems to turn out well.
  • CenterBHSFan
    I have to be the one, I guess, who will stand alone on the island.

    The sheer amount of accusations that have actually turned out to be true is extremely alarming and definitely shows that there is much improvement that needs to be done within society. When there is so much smoke, it can generally be relied upon that there will be fire.

    What is equally alarming to me, though, is that it can also be that no fire can be found yet the results can be equally disastrous. All it takes is for an accusation to be made. When it comes to sexual assault - if that accusation is made towards somebody (person A) who thinks and acts so wholly different than you (person B) we are so committed to believing person A is guilty... automatically. No questions asked. Because that person is "other".

    When accusations first started being reported in the Bill Cosby case, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, because at the time, there was only 1 person accusing. But after 3 or 4, I started to withdraw that benefit of the doubt because too many things were similar. After time it came to be known that Cosby had already acknowledged some of the things that he had done. Ok there's evidence. He's guilty.
    There is a case to be made where even without hard evidence that with enough of circumstantial evidence spread out between 1-100 (pick a number) people that there is some pattern of wrongdoing going on and it does create a level of guilt. Harvey Weinstein is a mediocre example of this.

    On the other side of the spectrum there was the Duke Lacrosse incident where it showed that accusations with no proof (later found out to be total fabrications) can still destroy lives. After that came a whole slew of accusations of sexual assault from college campuses to the workplace that had no truth whatsoever to them. But lives were still destroyed in the process, oftentimes very young lives, of both the accuser and the accused.

    I see these posts before mine and I have to sit back and think of these things. It's worrisome to me from both ends. And we wonder why we are such a polarized society, well I think this is a good micro-example. We no longer contemplate what is set before us. If the person is "other" our minds are automatically made up.
  • CenterBHSFan
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1881023 wrote:I don't doubt it. Regardless of whether it's a blue state or red, having a differing perspective in the political mix is a good thing. When everyone toes the same line, it never seems to turn out well.
    Agreed. Because I think differences of opinion causes creative friction where actual improvements and progress can be made that benefits all instead of certain groups.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    CenterBHSFan;1881025 wrote:Agreed. Because I think differences of opinion causes creative friction where actual improvements and progress can be made that benefits all instead of certain groups.
    Agreed. The proper functioning of an elective government at its best.
  • QuakerOats
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1881017 wrote:The people here are great people, but they are so close minded and paranoid about opinions that differ from their own.

    Sounds like Cleveland Heights, and Shaker Heights, and University Heights, and ............................
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    QuakerOats;1881031 wrote:Sounds like Cleveland Heights, and Shaker Heights, and University Heights, and ............................

    Which is never a good thing. I lived in Cleveland for ten years and there is some truth in this.
  • QuakerOats
    CenterBHSFan;1881024 wrote:I have to be the one, I guess, who will stand alone on the island.

    The sheer amount of accusations that have actually turned out to be true is extremely alarming and definitely shows that there is much improvement that needs to be done within society. When there is so much smoke, it can generally be relied upon that there will be fire.

    What is equally alarming to me, though, is that it can also be that no fire can be found yet the results can be equally disastrous. All it takes is for an accusation to be made. When it comes to sexual assault - if that accusation is made towards somebody (person A) who thinks and acts so wholly different than you (person B) we are so committed to believing person A is guilty... automatically. No questions asked. Because that person is "other".

    When accusations first started being reported in the Bill Cosby case, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, because at the time, there was only 1 person accusing. But after 3 or 4, I started to withdraw that benefit of the doubt because too many things were similar. After time it came to be known that Cosby had already acknowledged some of the things that he had done. Ok there's evidence. He's guilty.
    There is a case to be made where even without hard evidence that with enough of circumstantial evidence spread out between 1-100 (pick a number) people that there is some pattern of wrongdoing going on and it does create a level of guilt. Harvey Weinstein is a mediocre example of this.

    On the other side of the spectrum there was the Duke Lacrosse incident where it showed that accusations with no proof (later found out to be total fabrications) can still destroy lives. After that came a whole slew of accusations of sexual assault from college campuses to the workplace that had no truth whatsoever to them. But lives were still destroyed in the process, oftentimes very young lives, of both the accuser and the accused.

    I see these posts before mine and I have to sit back and think of these things. It's worrisome to me from both ends. And we wonder why we are such a polarized society, well I think this is a good micro-example. We no longer contemplate what is set before us. If the person is "other" our minds are automatically made up.

    Good post. Once the media runs with it, you are damaged goods forever, whether the story is true or not. Unless you are Bill Clinton. There was a guy who harassed, coerced, assaulted, and raped multiple women, but since he was a democrat, he was allowed by the media and his colleagues to remain in public office. Moore, if true, kissed a girl and then when she asked to leave he immediately drove her home, so the story goes, but he will be forced out, and perhaps deservedly so. But the double standard is immeasurable.
  • SportsAndLady
    CenterBHSFan;1881024 wrote:I have to be the one, I guess, who will stand alone on the island.

    The sheer amount of accusations that have actually turned out to be true is extremely alarming and definitely shows that there is much improvement that needs to be done within society. When there is so much smoke, it can generally be relied upon that there will be fire.

    What is equally alarming to me, though, is that it can also be that no fire can be found yet the results can be equally disastrous. All it takes is for an accusation to be made. When it comes to sexual assault - if that accusation is made towards somebody (person A) who thinks and acts so wholly different than you (person B) we are so committed to believing person A is guilty... automatically. No questions asked. Because that person is "other".

    When accusations first started being reported in the Bill Cosby case, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, because at the time, there was only 1 person accusing. But after 3 or 4, I started to withdraw that benefit of the doubt because too many things were similar. After time it came to be known that Cosby had already acknowledged some of the things that he had done. Ok there's evidence. He's guilty.
    There is a case to be made where even without hard evidence that with enough of circumstantial evidence spread out between 1-100 (pick a number) people that there is some pattern of wrongdoing going on and it does create a level of guilt. Harvey Weinstein is a mediocre example of this.

    On the other side of the spectrum there was the Duke Lacrosse incident where it showed that accusations with no proof (later found out to be total fabrications) can still destroy lives. After that came a whole slew of accusations of sexual assault from college campuses to the workplace that had no truth whatsoever to them. But lives were still destroyed in the process, oftentimes very young lives, of both the accuser and the accused.

    I see these posts before mine and I have to sit back and think of these things. It's worrisome to me from both ends. And we wonder why we are such a polarized society, well I think this is a good micro-example. We no longer contemplate what is set before us. If the person is "other" our minds are automatically made up.
    I️ agree that we should never start blaming people for crimes they’re merely accused of committing. But, like you said, when there’s multiple people coming out saying the same thing, the court of public opinion starts to take over.

    It sucks but don’t lure 16 year old children into sexually suggestive situations and you won’t have to deal with the court of public opinion.
  • queencitybuckeye
    SportsAndLady;1881035 wrote:I️ agree that we should never start blaming people for crimes they’re merely accused of committing. But, like you said, when there’s multiple people coming out saying the same thing, the court of public opinion starts to take over.

    It sucks but don’t lure 16 year old children into sexually suggestive situations and you won’t have to deal with the court of public opinion.
    Agree with not doing it, but the court of public opinion will eventually convict one or more totally innocent parties.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    QuakerOats;1881034 wrote:Moore, if true, kissed a girl and then when she asked to leave he immediately drove her home, so the story goes, but he will be forced out, and perhaps deservedly so. But the double standard is immeasurable.
    No. Moore, if true, felt up a 14 year old, and then put her hand on his junk, kissed her, and then drove her home.

    I too am uncomfortable with allegations that may never be proven. But you gotta love our state auditor explaining that if it is true, it's okay because Joseph was an adult and Mary was only 14 years old when then were married. Right on bud.
  • Spock
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1881039 wrote:No. Moore, if true, felt up a 14 year old, and then put her hand on his junk, kissed her, and then drove her home.

    I too am uncomfortable with allegations that may never be proven. But you gotta love our state auditor explaining that if it is true, it's okay because Joseph was an adult and Mary was only 14 years old when then were married. Right on bud.

    WUT?
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    Spock;1881041 wrote:WUT?
    http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/alabama_state_auditor_jim_zeig.html#incart_river_home_pop?li_source=base&li_medium=default-widget
  • SportsAndLady
    QuakerOats;1881034 wrote:Good post. Once the media runs with it, you are damaged goods forever, whether the story is true or not. Unless you are Bill Clinton. There was a guy who harassed, coerced, assaulted, and raped multiple women, but since he was a democrat, he was allowed by the media and his colleagues to remain in public office. Moore, if true, kissed a girl and then when she asked to leave he immediately drove her home, so the story goes, but he will be forced out, and perhaps deservedly so. But the double standard is immeasurable.
    Dear god. Nice to know you defend the kissing and touching of underage girls.

    “Guys, he drove the 14 year old home when she asked him to stop kissing her. Nothing to see there!!” -QO
  • SportsAndLady
    "Zechariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist," Zeigler said. "Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus."

    "There's just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual."

    What the fuck lol