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• sleeper

  

  wkfan;1848217 wrote:Both are irrelevant to the question......
  
  Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence, or from an unlawful act that is a misdemeanor or low-level felony (such as a DUI).
  
  The vast majority of the miscarriages that have happened to people that I know just happen.
  
  As far as the life being sustained without the mother...again that is irrelevant. My opinion of life has nothing to do with the vessel that it is contained in.

  Good. Then call abortions medically assisted miscarriages since these are okay and you support them. Problem solved.
  
  Also good to know you don't really care about women and that they are just 'vessels' to you. You really can't make up the Republican insistence on treating women as second class citizens or as you call them "vessels".
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1848223 wrote:It's only function is birth control.

  It's function is to allow women the freedom to control their own life destiny and to make personal choices between her and her doctor; not BIG government.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1848226 wrote:It's function is to allow women the freedom to control their own life destiny and to make personal choices between her and her doctor; not BIG government.

  You have explained why someone initiates abortion.
  
  The function of abortion literally controls the birth timing and process.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1848228 wrote:You have explained why someone initiates abortion.
  
  The function of abortion literally controls the birth timing and process.

  Usually a woman gets an abortion because after using responsible methods of contraception to prevent birth, she ends up pregnant. This woman then realizes that she can't afford the baby due to Republican cuts to welfare programs, so she makes a responsible choice to remove the cluster of cells from her body for a small fee so she can continue to be a productive member of society.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1848232 wrote:Usually a woman gets an abortion because after using responsible methods of contraception to prevent birth, she ends up pregnant. This woman then realizes that she can't afford the baby due to Republican cuts to welfare programs, so she makes a responsible choice to remove the cluster of cells from her body for a small fee so she can continue to be a productive member of society.

  You have stated why a woman may choose to get an abortion.
  
  My comments had nothing to do with why but rather were a clarification of the literally function of abortion. I'm not sure why you copied my post with your expanded explanation.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1848235 wrote:You have stated why a woman may choose to get an abortion.
  
  My comments had nothing to do with why but rather were a clarification of the literally function of abortion. I'm not sure why you copied my post with your expanded explanation.

  And I provided additional clarification. Sorry you don't like reality.
• Con_Alma

  I acknowledged you additional clarification. It had nothing to do with my comments regarding the function of abortion. I simply let all know I wasn't sure why you copied my post with your clarification.
  
  In addition, I haven't expressed any unlikeability of the reality you provided.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1848238 wrote:I acknowledged you additional clarification. It had nothing to do with my comments regarding the function of abortion. I simply let all know I wasn't sure why you copied my post with your clarification.
  
  In addition, I haven't expressed any unlikeability of the reality you provided.

  You acknowledge and then ignored my clarification. I would do the same if I didn't like reality messing with my 1500's God Delusion reality.
• Con_Alma

  O-Trap;1848218 wrote:I wasn't arguing for any sort of theocracy. I wasn't even arguing against the legality of abortion. Merely that your comparison between miscarriages and involuntary manslaughter was not an apt one.

  Should it be considered involuntary manslaughter if a child survives an abortion and id then left to die? That one's a little more difficult for me to wrap my head around. DO medical workers who have taken the Hippocratic oath have a responsibility to assist the child at that point?
  
  http://www.liveaction.org/news/babies-left-die-survive-abortion/
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1848240 wrote:You acknowledge and then ignored my clarification. I would do the same if I didn't like reality messing with my 1500's God Delusion reality.

  I haven't nor won't ignore it at all. It's not the literal function of an abortion. What's reality is that abortion is in fact ultimately birth control.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1848242 wrote:I haven't nor won't ignore it at all. It's not the literal function of an abortion. What's reality is that abortion is in fact ultimately birth control.

  Good. Glad we agree that abortion should be safe and legal.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1848243 wrote:Good. Glad we agree that abortion should be safe and legal.

  We don't agree that it should be legal.
  
  I think we do agree, however that it is legal and that it won't become illegal.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1848244 wrote:We don't agree that it should be legal.
  
  I think we do agree, however that it is legal and that it won't become illegal.

  Good to know if you get your wife pregnant, that you will force her to have the baby. Husband of the year!
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1848246 wrote:Good to know if you get your wife pregnant, that you will force her to have the baby. Husband of the year!

  You don't know what you don't know as it relates to such a comment.
• jmog

  sleeper;1848214 wrote:Why would I honestly? I already understand your position quite clearly; women should have no control over their own destiny in life because your fairy tale religious beliefs tell you that a cluster of cells is life because the Pope said so. Women should not be having sex at all unless for procreation and only if she has the money to afford to pay for every child without government assistance. If not, she's irresponsible and a welfare queen and she should be punished for life.
  
  Sorry, I don't believe in 1500's dogma in year 2017. Keep your backwards beliefs to yourself.

  More proof you didn't read my post. NO where in my post did I mention religion, religious beliefs, etc, I talked about scientific definition of when life begins.
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  Con_Alma;1848255 wrote:You don't know what you don't know as it relates to such a comment.

  But its true. You believe you have the right to force someone to have a child that they do not want. This is what you believe in.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1848259 wrote:But its true. You believe you have the right to force someone to have a child that they do not want. This is what you believe in.

  You are incorrect...again.
• QuakerOats

  sleeper;1848232 wrote:Usually a woman gets an abortion because after using responsible methods of contraception to prevent birth, she ends up pregnant. This woman then realizes that she can't afford the baby due to Republican cuts to welfare programs, so she makes a responsible choice to remove the cluster of cells from her body for a small fee so she can continue to be a productive member of society.

  
  Sad
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1848260 wrote:You are incorrect...again.

  You believe abortions should be illegal. Therefore, you are saying you have to force someone to have a child they do not want.
  
  I guess the other option is god could give her a miscarriage because that is A-okay!
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1848261 wrote:Sad

  The only thing that's said is your insistence on BIG GOVERNMENT interfering with the decisions made between a woman and her doctor.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1848264 wrote:You believe abortions should be illegal. Therefore, you are saying you have to force someone to have a child they do not want.
  
  I guess the other option is god could give her a miscarriage because that is A-okay!

  That's different that me believing I have the right to force someone to have a child they don't want.
  
  I would rather abortions not be legal. I can't nor "want to force anyone to have a child they do not want".
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1848271 wrote:That's different that me believing I have the right to force someone to have a child they don't want.
  
  I would rather abortions not be legal. I can't nor "want to force anyone to have a child they do not want".

  If abortions are illegal, then women have no other option other than to have the child. I don't know what your definition of force is but in reality, that would be the definition of force.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1848278 wrote:If abortions are illegal, then women have no other option other than to have the child. I don't know what your definition of force is but in reality, that would be the definition of force.

  There's a difference between what I want and what is. I can't force anything. I don't want to force anything. I don't even want there to be a reason to force anything. Ideally there wouldn't be a desire by anyone to have an abortion. Abortion being legal or illegal would in that case be irrelevant and wouldn't be forcing anyone to do anything.
  
  People always have an option no matter the law nor what you or I believe. The conception of children are not involuntary to anyone but the children themselves.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1848284 wrote:There's a difference between what I want and what is. I can't force anything. I don't want to force anything. I don't even want there to be a reason to force anything. Ideally there wouldn't be a desire by anyone to have an abortion. Abortion being legal or illegal would in that case be irrelevant and wouldn't be forcing anyone to do anything.
  
  People always have an option no matter the law nor what you or I believe. The conception of children are not involuntary to anyone but the children themselves.

  Then you should support safe and legal abortions. Otherwise you are forcing women, who are people, to have children against their will.
  
  Sorry you don't like reality.
• jmog

  sleeper;1848287 wrote:Then you should support safe and legal abortions. Otherwise you are forcing women, who are people, to have children against their will.
  
  Sorry you don't like reality.

  This is such a strawman fallacy mixed with so many other illogical statements it's hard to know where to begin.
  
  I could make an equally stupid statement "Then you should support safe and legal robberies. Otherwise you are forcing robbers, who are people, to go to jail against their will."
  
  Robbing someone is a choice that has possible, sometimes probable, consequences no matter how hard someone may try to prevent those consequences.
  
  Having sex with someone is a choice that has possible, sometimes probable, consequences no matter how hard someone may try to prevent those consequences.
  
  "Forcing" someone to deal with consequences of their own choices is not inhuman, it is life and reality.